Neck training and impact on deadlift/squats

Anyone doing neck harness training notice it have a negative impact on your DL/squats? Other lifts?

How about barbell shrugs? Notice any impact there?

The only time I did neck harness training was in HS. College strength coaches thought it was bullshit and I tend to as well.

It's like overtraining forearms. Some folks absolutely get to a point they need the extra training because they hit a weak point in their lifts. For the rest of us, compound movement more than trains that particular muscle group.

Traps, as far as hypertrophy goes, are for looks. I've yet to meet someone who lifted regularly who hit a lifting block because their traps screwed their deadlifts. Forearms? Sure. Cleans? If done with correct form, your traps engage, but it's your legs that produce most of the upward thrust. If you are relying on traps to engage the movement, you are lifting wrong.

* short answer is no. Long answer is skip the Marque de Sade harness.

I do shrugs, but it's for hypertrophy and to look good in a t-shirt. I've spent years not doing them in HS and college and it never hurt or helped the Olympic lifts. That's one of the many advantages of compound lifts.

It's your workout, your time, and your reps though. From a physiological point of view, there is no reason shrugs or neck should effect your squats or dead unless you are overtrained, bad form, or have so much hypertrophy in your traps that you can't put the bar where it belongs and now have thrown off your center of gravity. Maybe that's why Ronnie Coleman grew the HGH belly. Offsets his center of gravity.

Thanks, I know shrugs and neck harness is play pretty. I'm doing it for looks too, but not at the expense of real work.

Your post is full of wrong.

Traps are paramount to a big deadlift. And I can think of many lifters that have had their deadlift negatively impacted by weak traps. Upper shoulder activation prevents thoracic collapsing during the lockout. traps and lats are responsible for that.

There is a REAL reason that Kroc rows and pendlay rows are a major accessory for deadlift.

What do you think keeps your deadlift tracking appropriately? (Answer: Lats and Traps)

Next time you're lifting, go burn yourself on a lot of shrugs... then try to deadlift 80-90%. You'll watch your form collapse, lose the lockout and look like a kicked puppy.

No.

Prime mover is erector spinae.

If you want to call someone out, get your facts straight. Lockout is a secondary movement and tracking has more to do with the lower erector spinae and it's junction to the gluts and what your quads are doing than your traps.

Yes, if you do anything before your compound lifts, you can hurt their performance. I assumed OP knew that. But the neck harness is bro science.

Working Traps to cover a weakness in deadliffts is fine; but, you went into silly territory calling traps paramount. Traps are paramount when someone has terrible form and in engaging gluts and legs to cover a bad lift then tossing his/her shoulders into a shrug to finish it. Nothing about that is a good deadlift. If you know people who have hit a wall because of traps, you should probably help them work form instead of focusing on rows.

I have no problem getting called out when you know what you are talking about. But you flipped out and missed the boat on this one. Traps are not and have never been "paramount" to deadlift unless you are doing them wrong.

FYI: I can burn out on shrugs and still do deadlift. My lockouts suffer, but the prime mover and what I am actually trying to work still gets worked. It just looks off. I'll still break plane with my waist and toss my shoulders back. So can you.

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html

You're wrong. Look, when you pull the bar off the floor and attempt to use good form to keep the bar path on a straight line, you are using your lats. Your lats keep the bar from swinging away from your center of gravity. Try doing a bunch of pull ups then try to deadlift a weight at max effort that you know you can pull. I but you won't be able to do it.

Honestly, I don't think there's anything that builds neck muscles like the bench press. The thing is people rest, or drive their heads into the bench when the head should not touch the bench.

Your post is FULL of fail again. You should quit while you're only looking mostly inept.

By using the statement Prime Mover and Erector Spinae while referring to the deadlift, you have confirmed what I thought.

You have NO idea what the frack you're talking about.


Further confirmed by "Lockout is a secondary movement" No, it is the second HALF of the movement. Then you mentioned terrible form and contracting the glutes? Have you ever in your entire life deadlifted? It's people like you that use the deadlift as an 'erector spinae' exercise, hurt themselves, and then say "DEADLIFTS ARE DANGEROUS AND WILL CAUSE BACK INJURIES!"

Prime movers of the deadlift are hamstring and Glute, secondary are Quads. Erector spinae and trapezius are both prime STABILIZERS (and known as a force transducer; this is why you Lock out your lumbar spine when you deadlift. A hard braced lordotic lumbar spine is achieved by the ES muscle groups which reduces chances of injury and allows adaquate force transmission. Weakness along the posterior chain will cause a missed deadlift. Whether it's the prime movers being too weak, or the force transducers' inability to adequately relay the force generated by the prime movers. Weak force transducers are the cause of form breakdown during heavy lifts.

Read that last sentence again.

Now again.

Light weights mean NOTHING with lifting form. With HEAVY lifting, you'll see weaknesses come out and OFTEN the traps are contributory to this.

This is why Traps are paramount. You need a stable and strong pulling platform in which to transmit force from your glutes/hams to the bar. A weak trap will have a decreased ability to transmit force to the bar.


Go back to reading your bodybuilder magazines.

I'll go back to deadlifting 600+

You can't deadlift what your body can't hold.

Fuck.. I wondered why I have a lot of pain in the upper trap/neck area after heavy bench pressing.

After deadlifting for about 5 years I finally learned what it meant to use your lats in the deadlift. While it hasn't instantly added pounds to the bar, I can really feel the difference, especially if my lats aren't tight and the bar drifts out in front of me.

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