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Gulbrandr2  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 3:45:26 PM


Fans have been pleading for a remake of Final Fantasy VII for years now. Finally, last year Yoichi Wada, the president of Square Enix, came out and made the remake plans official. Final Fantasy VII: Jenova’s Rebirth is slated for a 4th quarter 2012 release.


http://nerdtrek.com/final-fantasy-7-remake/

This makes me moist.
jatobi  [Member]
1/20/2012 4:07:07 PM
If this make this, it will be awesome!
Slavac  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 5:59:38 PM
Any idea if it will come out for the xbox? If so, I'll own this.
Makarov92  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 6:24:56 PM
Is/was FF VII that good?
Gulbrandr2  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 6:46:30 PM
Originally Posted By Slavac:
Any idea if it will come out for the xbox? If so, I'll own this.


I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it will be PS3 exclusive, which means I will have to buy one now.

Originally Posted By Makarov92:
Is/was FF VII that good?


Short answer: Yes.

If you have not played FFVII, you can download a PS1 emulator and the ISO for FFVII, or, if you have a PS1/PS2, you can find a used FFVII at a price. However, it is available on the Playstation Network (PS3) for download, and is still one of the top downloaded games. When this came out in 1997 it was phenomenal, and in many opinions, Squaresoft/Square-Enix have not produced an RPG that comes close to it since.
Shalashaska  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 8:05:23 PM
That's incredibly fake.

I'm a huge, huge fan of the FF series and always have been but I'm not clamoring for a FFVII remake. All I'd really want is a straight port updated with HD graphics but that's not going to happen. Here's the latest (not fake) news on a remake from Square.
Ajek  [Member]
1/20/2012 10:14:21 PM
Originally Posted By Makarov92:
Is/was FF VII that good?


Is FFVII that good? No
Was FFVII that good? Yes

It's a fairly standard Japanese-style traditional RPG with an above average (and very complex) story and (for its time) superb graphics.

For many people, FFVII was their first exposure to this kind of game, and tend to remember it in a better light than it deserves.
Another major factor is that (huge spoiler)
a major character dies in a dramatic scene
which was fairly unheard of at the time.

IMO, the stories of FFVI, FFVIII, FFX and FF Tactics were all better than that of FFVII.

Today, FFVII doesn't hold up well for the following reasons:
1) Graphics. Peerless for its time, it now looks poor at best.
2) (lack of) Voice acting. Standard in almost every game these days - and a staple of the FF franchise since FFX. If you're playing this game today, it's for the story, and there are a lot of text boxes to read.
3) Grinding/power leveling. Released during the golden age of the Japanese-style RPG; to get the most out of the game and see all of the content, expect to spend many, many, many hours of mindless grinding to get to a high enough level.
4) Gameplay. Being a golden age Japanese-style RPG, combat is turn-based and (by today's standards) uninspired, making the necessary grind even more painful.
5) Characters. While each character grows throughout the game and has a very interesting personal story, all characters play virtually the same because of the Materia System (basically anyone can be equipped with any ability - there is no specific "mage" character).

All that said, I'd play a remake in a heartbeat...but I'd rather see a new FF Tactics (with a mature story like the original) or even a Chrono Trigger (not Chrono Cross) style game.
MauserMark  [Moderator]
1/21/2012 1:45:30 AM
fake.

Nothing on Gamespot, where it would be a front page news item.

They even said late last year it wasn't going to happen, it would involve too many resources that they don't have.

To answer questions above, yes FF7 is probably the best of the series. I still play the PS1 version on my PS3. On some level I don't think a remake is needed, the original is great and still is fun to play.

TheNamelessOne  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 12:59:16 PM

Originally Posted By Ajek:
Originally Posted By Makarov92:
Is/was FF VII that good?


Is FFVII that good? No
Was FFVII that good? Yes

It's a fairly standard Japanese-style traditional RPG with an above average (and very complex) story and (for its time) superb graphics.

For many people, FFVII was their first exposure to this kind of game, and tend to remember it in a better light than it deserves.
Another major factor is that (huge spoiler)
a major character dies in a dramatic scene
which was fairly unheard of at the time.

IMO, the stories of FFVI, FFVIII, FFX and FF Tactics were all better than that of FFVII.

Today, FFVII doesn't hold up well for the following reasons:
1) Graphics. Peerless for its time, it now looks poor at best.
2) (lack of) Voice acting. Standard in almost every game these days - and a staple of the FF franchise since FFX. If you're playing this game today, it's for the story, and there are a lot of text boxes to read.
3) Grinding/power leveling. Released during the golden age of the Japanese-style RPG; to get the most out of the game and see all of the content, expect to spend many, many, many hours of mindless grinding to get to a high enough level.
4) Gameplay. Being a golden age Japanese-style RPG, combat is turn-based and (by today's standards) uninspired, making the necessary grind even more painful.
5) Characters. While each character grows throughout the game and has a very interesting personal story, all characters play virtually the same because of the Materia System (basically anyone can be equipped with any ability - there is no specific "mage" character).

All that said, I'd play a remake in a heartbeat...but I'd rather see a new FF Tactics (with a mature story like the original) or even a Chrono Trigger (not Chrono Cross) style game.


this, its like Half-life/Doom/SystemShock2/etc are totally bad ass games for their time but now even if the graphics and voice overs are fixed the actual gameplay itself is ancient.
Tekka  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 12:55:55 AM

Originally Posted By Makarov92:
Is/was FF VII that good?

It was and still is fantastic.
Gulbrandr2  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 2:53:08 AM
Originally Posted By Ajek:

All that said, I'd play a remake in a heartbeat...but I'd rather see a new FF Tactics (with a mature story like the original)


I'd love to see another Tactics. I have a lot of fun playing that, even still. Tactics and Front Mission 3.

That said, my favorite stories are IV, VI, VII, and Tactics.

Credge  [Member]
1/22/2012 4:19:13 AM
I have never understood the hype behind Final Fantasy 7. It's an O.K. game. The story wasn't anything particularly special. The materia idea was good but executed poorly (you can never die if you grind it out). The gameplay was absolutely identical to every other Japanese RPG since the NES. The characters were average with Sephiroth being the most boring character that's ever existed in a video game (kudos for making him look cool).

It didn't really appeal to me back then and, even going back and playing it years later it still doesn't appeal to me. It's an average game that has a following because it had several firsts for many people. Personally, I think Wild Arms was the better game. Hell, FF9 is leaps and bounds better than FF7 in every aspect except for the main villain... which it only loses slightly because he doesn't look cool.

To be honest, I'd rather see Kojima's studio do FF7 than Square-Enix. They don't know how to make RPG's anymore.

Also, FFT is the best RPG of all time.
Quintin  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 11:02:56 AM
I'm in the camp of "FF VII was an alright game." Well, it was a very good game really, but like others, the only way I'd want to see it remade is a direct port in HD.

I think a lot of the greatness that came from that game was in the spoiler that Ajek posted earlier, no one was really in on something like that at the time, and it was definitely an OMGWTF moment in gaming history. It's fairly standard stuff these days, but back then, wow.

I liked FF VIII better, personally.
Nasty_Nate  [Member]
1/31/2012 6:43:40 AM
Its a game that fits in its own era as far as graphics and gameplay but the story is what made it great. I wouldnt say updated graphics would hurt it. I'll jump all over a copy if they actually come out with it.
metalsaber  [Life Member]
1/31/2012 8:48:40 AM
It was revolutionary for it's time. I agree nothing really has come close to capturing the epicness. I'd love to see an updated version with HD graphics.
chop13chop  [Team Member]
1/31/2012 12:00:12 PM
It would be nice if they remade it. Would prefere a remake of FF8 though.
Tekka  [Team Member]
1/31/2012 3:59:04 PM

Originally Posted By chop13chop:
It would be nice if they remade it. Would prefere a remake of FF8 though.

Will they make the game not suck? I totally lost interest by the third disc.
Tekka  [Team Member]
1/31/2012 3:59:43 PM
I'd love remakes of Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono Trigger.
unseenSNIPER  [Team Member]
2/1/2012 7:45:01 PM
I stopped FFXIII about 15% in...I'll have to dust that one off and try it again.

I feel like I need to play all these games that were gaming greats (FFVII, Zelda OOT, etc).

And FFXIII-2 looks good, too.
MauserMark  [Moderator]
2/2/2012 4:43:54 PM
Originally Posted By unseenSNIPER:
I stopped FFXIII about 15% in...I'll have to dust that one off and try it again.

I feel like I need to play all these games that were gaming greats (FFVII, Zelda OOT, etc).

And FFXIII-2 looks good, too.


I quite about 30 minutes into the game when I realized it's a Turn-based RPG on Rails....

part 2 got a lower rating on Gamespot than the first one.

BTW, to PS3 users, FF1+2 from the PSX combo back in the days was put on the PSN just recently, although I think $10 is pushing it.
chop13chop  [Team Member]
2/3/2012 1:06:45 AM
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By chop13chop:
It would be nice if they remade it. Would prefere a remake of FF8 though.

Will they make the game not suck? I totally lost interest by the third disc.


I'll admit once time compression happens it sucks. It's worth finishing though.
Emegbers  [Member]
2/3/2012 1:46:39 AM
7 is the most overrated game in the series.
MadMardigan  [Team Member]
2/3/2012 9:10:26 PM
I always like tactics.

Bring that back.
esa17  [Team Member]
2/3/2012 9:16:43 PM
Originally Posted By Emegbers:
7 is the most overrated game in the series.


By overrated you mean best.
Meta4  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 1:45:08 AM

Originally Posted By Tekka:
I'd love remakes of Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono Trigger.

Chrono Trigger is the best damn game ever made, and you can go straight to hell if you disagree with me.
QuantumPion  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 1:48:41 AM
Mystic Quest FTW.
Credge  [Member]
2/5/2012 11:04:52 AM

Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Emegbers:
7 is the most overrated game in the series.


By overrated you mean best.

I see you've never played 3, 8, 9, or Tactics (not Advance).
MauserMark  [Moderator]
2/5/2012 11:54:07 AM
Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
Mystic Quest FTW.


Crazy how much I loved that on the SNES as a kid, then I watched some play throughs before deciding to re-download it for the Wii....yeah....
Ajek  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 6:06:28 PM
Originally Posted By MauserMark:
Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
Mystic Quest FTW.


Crazy how much I loved that on the SNES as a kid, then I watched some play throughs before deciding to re-download it for the Wii....yeah....


I've made that mistake with a few of those "classic" games.
Emegbers  [Member]
2/5/2012 8:03:17 PM
Originally Posted By Credge:

Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Emegbers:
7 is the most overrated game in the series.


By overrated you mean best.

I see you've never played 3, 8, 9, or Tactics (not Advance).


Nailed it.
Gulbrandr2  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 2:45:49 AM
Originally Posted By Credge:

Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Emegbers:
7 is the most overrated game in the series.


By overrated you mean best.

I see you've never played 3, 8, 9, or Tactics (not Advance).


3 (6) Was great, 8 was meh, 9 was a joke, and Tactics was awesome, both gameplay and story.
Mauritius  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 7:03:22 PM
I am a fan of the series, and I would love to play VII in HD. Chrono Cross was another favorite.
Tekka  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 7:19:55 PM

Originally Posted By Gulbrandr2:
Originally Posted By Credge:

Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Emegbers:
7 is the most overrated game in the series.


By overrated you mean best.

I see you've never played 3, 8, 9, or Tactics (not Advance).


3 (6) Was great, 8 was meh, 9 was a joke, and Tactics was awesome, both gameplay and story.

Why was 9 a joke? Almost everyone I have met who owned it said they loved it... never played it myself.
ARinKCMO  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 7:29:21 PM
I downloaded VII on my PS3 and also onto my PSP. Have to admit, I can't get into it. Like another poster said much better, it was good in '97, and now is kind of boring and dull.

I still need to finish XIII. I just recently got to Ch 11 where it 'opens up'. I love the art style, and I find Lightening to be quite fascinating, even if she is literally just a female version of Cloud.

I'm on the fence about XIII-2. I want to continue the story. But, it looks like it has more grind and it sounds like Lightening has a very small role in the overall game. I found the combat of XIII to be a bit boring. You just swap your paradigms around, rarely actually casting individual spells. Granted, the combat would be totally unmanagable without the 'autopilot', but well...it feels very WoW 'press A to autoattack'. So...I dunno if I want to do another 40 hours of that....I will probably snag a used copy later this year.
Ajek  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 9:45:37 PM
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By Gulbrandr2:


3 (6) Was great, 8 was meh, 9 was a joke, and Tactics was awesome, both gameplay and story.

Why was 9 a joke? Almost everyone I have met said they loved it... never played it myself.


9 was certainly not a joke, but it's one of my least favorite FF games. I think it's mostly due to how much it was hyped pre-release and how great the story was supposed to be. I found the gameplay to be good enough, but the story didn't impress me. I ended up finishing the game around lvl 55 because I just wanted it to be over. On another note, I thought the opposite of 12; the story was pretty good (though I didn't like that Square changed the main character during development to appeal to kids more), but I didn't like the gameplay.

Regarding Gulbrandr2 saying 8 was meh: 8 is as underrated as 7 is supposedly overrated. Because of the reasons I explained earlier in the thread, 8 had a really hard act to follow and not as many people were as blown away by 8 as they were 7. 8 didn't really have a moment like the spoiler I posted earlier, though taken as a whole, the story and characters were better.
Gulbrandr2  [Team Member]
2/7/2012 10:44:58 PM
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Why was 9 a joke? Almost everyone I have met said they loved it... never played it myself.


To me, 9 seemed to "kiddy" and focused more on an overly dramatic love story than anything else. I felt the same way about 10. I didn't finish either of them.


Originally Posted By Ajek:

Regarding Gulbrandr2 saying 8 was meh: 8 is as underrated as 7 is supposedly overrated. Because of the reasons I explained earlier in the thread, 8 had a really hard act to follow and not as many people were as blown away by 8 as they were 7. 8 didn't really have a moment like the spoiler I posted earlier, though taken as a whole, the story and characters were better.


That is probably the best way to explain 8, and I completely agree with that perspective
Credge  [Member]
2/7/2012 11:26:33 PM

Originally Posted By Gulbrandr2:
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Why was 9 a joke? Almost everyone I have met said they loved it... never played it myself.


To me, 9 seemed to "kiddy" and focused more on an overly dramatic love story than anything else. I felt the same way about 10. I didn't finish either of them.


You must not have played very far in to 9 then. 7 had far more love story in it than 9 did.
Ajek  [Team Member]
2/12/2012 12:02:39 PM
I really like that FF12, FF Tactics and Vagrant Story all take place in different eras of the same world.

On a similar note, Vagrant Story has a great story, I wish they made more like that.
OiRogers  [Team Member]
2/12/2012 7:45:53 PM
Originally Posted By Ajek:
I really like that FF12, FF Tactics and Vagrant Story all take place in different eras of the same world.

On a similar note, Vagrant Story has a great story, I wish they made more like that.


Really? Gonna have to grab Vagrant Story... Never played that one.
Ajek  [Team Member]
2/12/2012 8:30:37 PM
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By Ajek:
I really like that FF12, FF Tactics and Vagrant Story all take place in different eras of the same world.

On a similar note, Vagrant Story has a great story, I wish they made more like that.


Really? Gonna have to grab Vagrant Story... Never played that one.


The story is a lot darker and more mature than a standard FF game (though not dark dark - kind of the same tone as Tactics).
Tekka  [Team Member]
2/12/2012 8:49:39 PM

Originally Posted By Ajek:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By Ajek:
I really like that FF12, FF Tactics and Vagrant Story all take place in different eras of the same world.

On a similar note, Vagrant Story has a great story, I wish they made more like that.


Really? Gonna have to grab Vagrant Story... Never played that one.


The story is a lot darker and more mature than a standard FF game (though not dark dark - kind of the same tone as Tactics).


OiRogers  [Team Member]
2/13/2012 9:17:53 AM
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By Ajek:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By Ajek:
I really like that FF12, FF Tactics and Vagrant Story all take place in different eras of the same world.

On a similar note, Vagrant Story has a great story, I wish they made more like that.


Really? Gonna have to grab Vagrant Story... Never played that one.


The story is a lot darker and more mature than a standard FF game (though not dark dark - kind of the same tone as Tactics).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA9d88265dg


5.99$ on PSN... Downloaded. Will give it a whirl as soon as I beat FFXIII again... XIII-2 made me want to replay XIII

Meta4  [Team Member]
2/13/2012 11:45:14 AM
Vagrant Story was a fantastic title, and incredibly underrated. It had a an engrossing story and a very interesting combat system.

I still play the opening video from time to time.
Ciraxis  [Team Member]
2/13/2012 11:53:41 AM
I wish they would remake Breath of fire III or IV, or make a new one.

at the time I really liked those games.

FFVII was awesome at the time, not sure how much I would like it these days though compared to other rpgs
Tekka  [Team Member]
2/13/2012 4:21:10 PM

Originally Posted By OiRogers:
5.99$ on PSN... Downloaded. Will give it a whirl as soon as I beat FFXIII again... XIII-2 made me want to replay XIII


Is there some kind of deal on Square games right now or something? When I've looked in the past these classic PS1 games were like 9.99.

I've never owned a variety of classic games like FF Tactics, FF9, and Vagrant Story and might have to drop some coin on one or all of them if they are like 5.99.
Ajek  [Team Member]
2/13/2012 5:55:16 PM
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By OiRogers:
5.99$ on PSN... Downloaded. Will give it a whirl as soon as I beat FFXIII again... XIII-2 made me want to replay XIII


Is there some kind of deal on Square games right now or something? When I've looked in the past these classic PS1 games were like 9.99.

I've never owned a variety of classic games like FF Tactics, FF9, and Vagrant Story and might have to drop some coin on one or all of them if they are like 5.99.


I would get Tactics first and then Vagrant Story, both are awesome games, but Tactics is better. Unless you're a big FF fan, skip FF9 IMO.
Meta4  [Team Member]
2/14/2012 6:35:50 PM

Originally Posted By Ajek:

I would get Tactics first and then Vagrant Story, both are awesome games, but Tactics is better. Unless you're a big FF fan, skip FF9 IMO.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Final Fantasy 9 was a throwback to the SNES era games, and was a bit of a "final hurrah" before many of the conventional Final Fantasy components were thrown out the door with Final Fantasy 10. Personally, 9 was one of my favorite titles in the post-SNES generation.

Like most PSX-generation games, the graphics haven't aged well, but the game is still incredibly fun and worthwhile.

Ajek  [Team Member]
2/14/2012 7:25:38 PM
Originally Posted By Meta4:

Originally Posted By Ajek:

I would get Tactics first and then Vagrant Story, both are awesome games, but Tactics is better. Unless you're a big FF fan, skip FF9 IMO.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Final Fantasy 9 was a throwback to the SNES era games, and was a bit of a "final hurrah" before many of the conventional Final Fantasy components were thrown out the door with Final Fantasy 10. Personally, 9 was one of my favorite titles in the post-SNES generation.

Like most PSX-generation games, the graphics haven't aged well, but the game is still incredibly fun and worthwhile.



I enjoyed FF9, but it was over hyped, and to me it wasn't the "throwback" it billed itself as.

However, we can agree to disagree.

My biggest complaint, if memory serves:

There was a whole bunch of talk about "Crystals return to Final Fantasy!" and such, but it wasn't until the end of the game that you ever see a crystal, or "the" crystal.