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 Piper on the Sabbath
Bearsfan  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 5:27:58 PM
I found this to be interesting. I just don't hear it talked about in the Evangelical community and it's too bad.

I really enjoy the challange he paints at the end of it...

For those of you who are free in your conscience to extend your holy exercises forward into Saturday night, let's dream together of new ways to sanctify Sunday morning. Could it be that the Lord is leading you to new dimensions of prayer, or new hours of personal Bible study, or new deeds of mercy for the poor, or Sunday morning visitation to a shut-in, or perhaps a home evangelistic Bible study for neighbors who would not come to church but might come to your home? Can you think of any better time to reach your neighbors with the gospel than between 10 and 12 on Sunday morning? Who knows—maybe the city will find its way to Bethlehem on Saturday night, or maybe Saturday night will free up the saints to reach the city on Sunday morning? If any of you has a sheep that falls into a pit on the sabbath, will you not reach in and pull it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good—all kinds of good—on Sunday morning.


The whole thing can be found here.

AASG  [Member]
7/3/2011 9:01:23 PM
EDITED: Serious and respectful discussions only here. HS

Bearsfan  [Team Member]
7/4/2011 12:49:44 AM
Nope, John Piper.

Philmore  [Team Member]
7/6/2011 11:04:32 AM
I hear rounds of this discussion every so often. The Saturday is the sabbath faction against the Sunday is the Sabbath faction, the every day is to a believer faction, etc.

In truth, I think they can all be correct. Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath. The early church shows signs of meeting together on Sundays, the first day of the week. Its possible they met in the synagogues on Saturday and then got together as believers on Sunday to worship as well. They were in and out of the synagogues all thru the scriptures teaching, preaching, etc.

Keeping the verse in mind that says not to engage in judgement over days and times of the Sabbath, I think God wants his people to spend that Sabbath day in fellowship with one another in worship and celebration of his blessings for us all and in listening to, pondering, praying about and discussing his word and promises. Not focusing on our usual daily work and human efforts. I think is clear that God intends us to do it together as His people in our community, as families and as individuals thru out the day.

There are times where solitude is good and is needed and thats fine if you need that time alone with the Lord on the Sabbath day. But overall I think its scripturally sound to keep a Sabbath day set aside each week for worship, fellowship and acitivties that focus our hearts and minds on our God and not our endeavors.

Piper sounds like he's defending, for lack of a better word, their Saturday night Sabbath services and encouraging people to make use of it. No problem there and it sounds like a cool service, especially for folks who have to work on Sundays.
Even when I had to work Sundays, I would get to church in the morning and go on to work afterwards - it just seemed to make the week complete, perhaps as a creature of routine. But God knows we are that way and encourages us to develop that routine of setting aside a day each week as the Sabbath by giving us a blessing for doing so, not condemning us if we don't.
Bearsfan  [Team Member]
7/6/2011 11:20:25 PM
It doesn't really matter to me which day people want to observe the Sabbath, as long as they are doing it. I just really am intrigued by the idea of worshiping corporately on Sat and then spending the time I would have been in church on Sun in service to others. I just think that is a really great idea. Even if it was just done once a month.

It might be a way to get some people out of their shell and into the mission field.

TheWind  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:44:55 PM
When the church was founded by Constantine, they made many compromises, one to the Roman Army, something necessary to support the Emperor. The god of the Roman Army considered Sunday the Sabbath, Sunday is the first day of the week and carries the name 'Sun'day to pay homage to the Sun, the Roman Army being sun worshipers. As for Saturday, the last day and the day dedicated to G*d resting from the T*r*h
T1NMAN  [Member]
7/10/2011 11:22:03 PM
Originally Posted By Bearsfan:
It doesn't really matter to me which day people want to observe the Sabbath, as long as they are doing it. I just really am intrigued by the idea of worshiping corporately on Sat and then spending the time I would have been in church on Sun in service to others. I just think that is a really great idea. Even if it was just done once a month.

It might be a way to get some people out of their shell and into the mission field.



Interesting thought….the Church gathering Saturday night for worship and Sunday morning for service.
Not just chatting about Jesus but serving like Jesus.
Bearsfan  [Team Member]
7/11/2011 5:45:34 PM
Originally Posted By T1NMAN:
Originally Posted By Bearsfan:
It doesn't really matter to me which day people want to observe the Sabbath, as long as they are doing it. I just really am intrigued by the idea of worshiping corporately on Sat and then spending the time I would have been in church on Sun in service to others. I just think that is a really great idea. Even if it was just done once a month.

It might be a way to get some people out of their shell and into the mission field.



Interesting thought….the Church gathering Saturday night for worship and Sunday morning for service.
Not just chatting about Jesus but serving like Jesus.


Exactly!
WindKnot1-1  [Member]
7/11/2011 8:49:31 PM
Originally Posted By TheWind:
When the church was founded by Constantine, they made many compromises, one to the Roman Army, something necessary to support the Emperor. The god of the Roman Army considered Sunday the Sabbath, Sunday is the first day of the week and carries the name 'Sun'day to pay homage to the Sun, the Roman Army being sun worshipers. As for Saturday, the last day and the day dedicated to G*d resting from the T*r*h


Pentecost, the birth of the church occurred on a Sunday. Sunday is also tied to the resurrection. Not every thing in the christian Church is tied to Rome or politics.
T1NMAN  [Member]
7/12/2011 4:38:29 PM
Originally Posted By WindKnot1-1:
Originally Posted By TheWind:
When the church was founded by Constantine, they made many compromises, one to the Roman Army, something necessary to support the Emperor. The god of the Roman Army considered Sunday the Sabbath, Sunday is the first day of the week and carries the name 'Sun'day to pay homage to the Sun, the Roman Army being sun worshipers. As for Saturday, the last day and the day dedicated to G*d resting from the T*r*h


Pentecost, the birth of the church occurred on a Sunday. Sunday is also tied to the resurrection. Not every thing in the christian Church is tied to Rome or politics.


This is truth