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Unless we protect life....we can not protect liberty
10/16/2011 6:01:17 PM
I have a few problems with Ron Paul on policy.....but he nails this one.
Life...where does it's value start?
Life...where does it's value start?
10/22/2011 1:28:31 PM
LOL. That ad was the biggest load of BS I've seen in a long time.
10/22/2011 9:06:52 PM
You said it! Ron Paul has some ideas I am not comfortable with.
BUT
Ron Paul sure nails it here! The slaughter of the innocents is a stain upon our great country.
I just read over the testimony before the Judiciary Committee on "Partial Birth Abortion," and how this gruesome act is performed; I thought I was a pretty hard-boiled guy, but after reading how doctors quite literally rip apart a baby, shred by shred inside a mother's womb, and how the baby instinctively tries to avoid the surgeon's scalpel....it brought tears to my eyes. Other abortions are performed by poisoning the baby in the uterus and then delivering a dead child; the list goes on....How this extreme pain and violence can be visited on the most defenseless in our society somehow escapes my 65 years on this planet.
<Do you realize that recently a dead whale washed up on the east coast; it was dead. Later, some vandals carved up the dead whale's tail. Federal authorities are now looking for the perps who did this to the dead whale, as the beast is a "protected" marine mammal under Federal criminal laws. People will go to prison for this, but dismembering aliving human being is ok?>
The great flaw of Roe vs. Wade which in my opinion allowed abortion, was SCOTUS saying: "...we cannot determine when life and person hood begins..."
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
BUT
Ron Paul sure nails it here! The slaughter of the innocents is a stain upon our great country.
I just read over the testimony before the Judiciary Committee on "Partial Birth Abortion," and how this gruesome act is performed; I thought I was a pretty hard-boiled guy, but after reading how doctors quite literally rip apart a baby, shred by shred inside a mother's womb, and how the baby instinctively tries to avoid the surgeon's scalpel....it brought tears to my eyes. Other abortions are performed by poisoning the baby in the uterus and then delivering a dead child; the list goes on....How this extreme pain and violence can be visited on the most defenseless in our society somehow escapes my 65 years on this planet.
<Do you realize that recently a dead whale washed up on the east coast; it was dead. Later, some vandals carved up the dead whale's tail. Federal authorities are now looking for the perps who did this to the dead whale, as the beast is a "protected" marine mammal under Federal criminal laws. People will go to prison for this, but dismembering aliving human being is ok?>
The great flaw of Roe vs. Wade which in my opinion allowed abortion, was SCOTUS saying: "...we cannot determine when life and person hood begins..."
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
10/23/2011 6:31:30 PM
Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
10/24/2011 9:30:55 AM
Originally Posted By wyager:
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Bingo!
10/24/2011 4:40:24 PM
Double Bingo!!
10/24/2011 5:20:33 PM
Originally Posted By wyager:
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Let's keep it clean and respectful please. ~ medicmandan
10/24/2011 7:27:40 PM
Let's keep it clean and respectful please. ~ medicmandan
Classy. And phenomenally simplistic.
10/24/2011 7:28:43 PM
Originally Posted By Japle:
Classy. And phenomenally simplistic.
Let's keep it clean and respectful please. ~ medicmandan
Classy. And phenomenally simplistic.
and 100% logical.
10/25/2011 8:17:10 AM
Since when is sex, especially between teenagers, logical?
10/26/2011 9:42:29 AM
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
I disagree. I'm pro-choice and I don't know any pro-choice people who will say that a fertilized egg isn't alive. The question at what point in the development from fertilization to birth do the rights of the nascent person eclipse the rights of the mother should she not want to carry the baby to term. Everyone who isn't a moron agrees that abortion involves killing. The question is at what point does a medical procedure go from being an abortion (a legal procedure) to being infanticide (a type of murder).
I also believe there is no way we'll ever have any agreement on when that occurs. Any solution (from fertilization to birth) is going to upset a certain percentage of the population.
10/26/2011 8:23:43 PM
Posted by Dino:
The question is at what point does a medical procedure go from being an abortion (a legal procedure) to being infanticide (a type of murder).
I also believe there is no way we'll ever have any agreement on when that occurs. Any solution (from fertilization to birth) is going to upset a certain percentage of the population.
The question is at what point does a medical procedure go from being an abortion (a legal procedure) to being infanticide (a type of murder).
I also believe there is no way we'll ever have any agreement on when that occurs. Any solution (from fertilization to birth) is going to upset a certain percentage of the population.
Yep. There's no way to make everyone happy here. Even condoms are considered a form of abortion by some. No fertilization required.
10/27/2011 4:54:55 PM
Originally Posted By wyager:
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
But today science and medicine can easily today determine this; if it is not at conception, then what are the measures and who does the measuring?
That's the problem. No one can claim that they know when life begins, because it's arbitrary. There is no fixed measure for when someone becomes "alive".
That's why people need to stop forcing their opinions on others and let women decide for themselves whether or not they want a fetus inside them.
Sex produces children. I'm sorry, but if a woman is so adamant not to be pregnant then she needs to either not do the deed, or use lots of birth control and accept the consequences if she does get pregnant. The rights of the individual INSIDE the womb trump the rights of the woman. If they get pregnant, than they have ALREADY made that decision to have a "fetus" inside them. Within weeks of conception that baby will have a heartbeat.
Good on Ron Paul btw.
10/27/2011 7:31:07 PM
Posted by Justice:
Sex produces children.
Sex produces children.
So far, so good.
I'm sorry, but if a woman is so adamant not to be pregnant then she needs to either not do the deed, or use lots of birth control and accept the consequences if she does get pregnant.
A simple response to a very complex problem. Historically, we can see that this just doesn’t happen. What she (in your opinion) needs to do and what she’s actually going to do aren’t the same and won’t be the same in any reasonably foreseeable future.
The rights of the individual INSIDE the womb trump the rights of the woman.
Not according to the Supreme Court.
If they get pregnant, than they have ALREADY made that decision to have a "fetus" inside them.
Drunk and/or high and/or horny women don’t always make good decisions. See comment above concerning, “any reasonably foreseeable future”.
Within weeks of conception that baby will have a heartbeat.
I’ve seen that claim on anti-abortion billboards. What they don’t mention is that the embryo is about ¼” long, still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo by an untrained eye.
I’m not sure what the significance of this is.
10/27/2011 8:53:45 PM
Originally Posted By Japle:
I’ve seen that claim on anti-abortion billboards. What they don’t mention is that the embryo is about ¼” long, still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo by an untrained eye.
I’m not sure what the significance of this is.
I’ve seen that claim on anti-abortion billboards. What they don’t mention is that the embryo is about ¼” long, still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo by an untrained eye.
I’m not sure what the significance of this is.
If a trained person can tell the difference wouldnt you think that is significant ?
10/28/2011 9:13:14 AM
Posted by walttx:
If a trained person can tell the difference wouldnt you think that is significant ?
If a trained person can tell the difference wouldnt you think that is significant ?
Not really. That's why I said what I said.
10/28/2011 12:30:25 PM
Originally Posted By Japle:
So far, so good.
A simple response to a very complex problem. Historically, we can see that this just doesn’t happen. What she (in your opinion) needs to do and what she’s actually going to do aren’t the same and won’t be the same in any reasonably foreseeable future.
Not according to the Supreme Court.
Drunk and/or high and/or horny women don’t always make good decisions. See comment above concerning, “any reasonably foreseeable future”.
I’ve seen that claim on anti-abortion billboards. What they don’t mention is that the embryo is about ¼” long, still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo by an untrained eye.
I’m not sure what the significance of this is.
Posted by Justice:
Sex produces children.
Sex produces children.
So far, so good.
I'm sorry, but if a woman is so adamant not to be pregnant then she needs to either not do the deed, or use lots of birth control and accept the consequences if she does get pregnant.
A simple response to a very complex problem. Historically, we can see that this just doesn’t happen. What she (in your opinion) needs to do and what she’s actually going to do aren’t the same and won’t be the same in any reasonably foreseeable future.
The rights of the individual INSIDE the womb trump the rights of the woman.
Not according to the Supreme Court.
If they get pregnant, than they have ALREADY made that decision to have a "fetus" inside them.
Drunk and/or high and/or horny women don’t always make good decisions. See comment above concerning, “any reasonably foreseeable future”.
Within weeks of conception that baby will have a heartbeat.
I’ve seen that claim on anti-abortion billboards. What they don’t mention is that the embryo is about ¼” long, still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo by an untrained eye.
I’m not sure what the significance of this is.
Abortion is nothing more than a cop out of responsibility. It's that simple. If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard. Abortion is 100% preventable just like pregnancy. Sadly over the last 50-75 years people have found ways and excuses to not be responsible and/or accountable for their actions. has it ever occurred to you that people make things overly complex and thats the problem with issues like these today. It starts out with someone saying it's complicated (when it's not).
drunk/high and or horny women don't impregnant themselves and the man should have an equal say first of all, but second and most importantly...if you are drunk or high and have a wreck and kill someone the law holds you accountable, if you are drunk or high and disorderly you are held accountable by law eventhough you didn't hurt anyone else...but now drunk/high and horny according to you are an excuse to not be held accountable when in ALL other cases this is not true.
Also what you failed to mention is within weeks and the heart beat while not visablly distinguished as a frog chicken pigg or elephant the genetic sequencing says 100% human the untrained eye doing abortions are generally found with coat hanger in hand.
10/28/2011 5:10:31 PM
Posted by usmcrebel:
Abortion is nothing more than a cop out of responsibility. It's that simple. If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard.
Abortion is nothing more than a cop out of responsibility. It's that simple. If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard.
Right. I’ve had sex somewhere around 5,000 times and I have one child. Sex isn’t just for procreation, my friend.
Abortion is 100% preventable just like pregnancy. Sadly over the last 50-75 years people have found ways and excuses to not be responsible and/or accountable for their actions.
Unintended pregnancies have been popping up for longer than 75 years. It’s nothing new.
has it ever occurred to you that people make things overly complex and thats the problem with issues like these today. It starts out with someone saying it's complicated (when it's not).
You think human sexuality isn’t complicated? Methinks you’re not paying attention.
drunk/high and or horny women don't impregnant themselves and the man should have an equal say first of all, but second and most importantly...if you are drunk or high and have a wreck and kill someone the law holds you accountable, if you are drunk or high and disorderly you are held accountable by law eventhough you didn't hurt anyone else...but now drunk/high and horny according to you are an excuse to not be held accountable when in ALL other cases this is not true.
Drunk driving and disorderly conduct are against the law. Abortion is legal.
Also what you failed to mention is within weeks and the heart beat while not visablly distinguished as a frog chicken pigg or elephant the genetic sequencing says 100% human the untrained eye doing abortions are generally found with coat hanger in hand.
Please translate this mishmash into something I can understand.
10/31/2011 11:55:30 AM
Originally Posted By Japle:
Right. I’ve had sex somewhere around 5,000 times and I have one child. Sex isn’t just for procreation, my friend.
Unintended pregnancies have been popping up for longer than 75 years. It’s nothing new.
You think human sexuality isn’t complicated? Methinks you’re not paying attention.
Drunk driving and disorderly conduct are against the law. Abortion is legal.
Please translate this mishmash into something I can understand.
Posted by usmcrebel:
Abortion is nothing more than a cop out of responsibility. It's that simple. If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard.
Abortion is nothing more than a cop out of responsibility. It's that simple. If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard.
Right. I’ve had sex somewhere around 5,000 times and I have one child. Sex isn’t just for procreation, my friend.
Abortion is 100% preventable just like pregnancy. Sadly over the last 50-75 years people have found ways and excuses to not be responsible and/or accountable for their actions.
Unintended pregnancies have been popping up for longer than 75 years. It’s nothing new.
has it ever occurred to you that people make things overly complex and thats the problem with issues like these today. It starts out with someone saying it's complicated (when it's not).
You think human sexuality isn’t complicated? Methinks you’re not paying attention.
drunk/high and or horny women don't impregnant themselves and the man should have an equal say first of all, but second and most importantly...if you are drunk or high and have a wreck and kill someone the law holds you accountable, if you are drunk or high and disorderly you are held accountable by law eventhough you didn't hurt anyone else...but now drunk/high and horny according to you are an excuse to not be held accountable when in ALL other cases this is not true.
Drunk driving and disorderly conduct are against the law. Abortion is legal.
Also what you failed to mention is within weeks and the heart beat while not visablly distinguished as a frog chicken pigg or elephant the genetic sequencing says 100% human the untrained eye doing abortions are generally found with coat hanger in hand.
Please translate this mishmash into something I can understand.
You are correct and God gave it to us to enjoy our SPOUSE...you know the whole marriage thing mentioned from Genesis- Revelation. You statements has nothing to do with the Abortion is a cop out (which it is)
Yes there have been unintended pregnancies for more than 75 years but guess what it wasn't socially acceptable to kill the child either. What is new is people legalizing murder to get out of dealing with a mistake they made and don't want to deal with.
Human sexuality most definitely isn't complex it's quite simple on many different levels. What motivate human sexuality? It can quite simply be broken down into 2 categories Love or Lust.
You completely missed the point as do most...law holds you accountable to show your actions of wrong doing. Abortion is a regulated form of immorality which helps irresponsible people escape from responsibility. Abortion should be illegal.
Science and the medical world says well you can't tell what it is , BUT we know it's not a human yet. but geneticists can with 100% certianty say it is human dna/rna and code sequencing otherwise they would not be able to tell at the early stages if you will have a baby with genetic abnormalities.
It is nothing but legal murder said to be to complex for the simpletons to understand when in reality it is so billy bob and suzie rotten crotch can has 0 reprecussions for their immature actions
10/31/2011 2:01:30 PM
Posted by usmarebel:
You are correct and God gave it to us to enjoy our SPOUSE...you know the whole marriage thing mentioned from Genesis- Revelation. You statements has nothing to do with the Abortion is a cop out (which it is)
You are correct and God gave it to us to enjoy our SPOUSE...you know the whole marriage thing mentioned from Genesis- Revelation. You statements has nothing to do with the Abortion is a cop out (which it is)
First of all my friend, you really need to start proof-reading your posts. Seriously.
You’re the one who said, “If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard”. I was simply pointing out that your statement is absurd. When people have sex it’s almost never for the purpose of having kids.
Yes there have been unintended pregnancies for more than 75 years but guess what it wasn't socially acceptable to kill the child either. What is new is people legalizing murder to get out of dealing with a mistake they made and don't want to deal with.
While I strongly disagree with your use of the term “murder”, I do agree completely that people use abortion to avoid dealing with mistakes they made and don't want to deal with.
I have no problem with that. We have too many people on this rock now. Why add more, especially when they aren’t wanted?
Human sexuality most definitely isn't complex it's quite simple on many different levels. What motivate human sexuality? It can quite simply be broken down into 2 categories Love or Lust.
Lots of sub-categories, though. Lots of emotion. Lots of different motivations. It’s complicated.
You completely missed the point as do most...law holds you accountable to show your actions of wrong doing. Abortion is a regulated form of immorality which helps irresponsible people escape from responsibility. Abortion should be illegal.
That’s your opinion, to which you have every right. I disagree. The courts disagree.
Science and the medical world says well you can't tell what it is , BUT we know it's not a human yet. but geneticists can with 100% certianty say it is human dna/rna and code sequencing otherwise they would not be able to tell at the early stages if you will have a baby with genetic abnormalities.
I’m not sure of your point.
It is nothing but legal murder said to be to complex for the simpletons to understand when in reality it is so billy bob and suzie rotten crotch can has 0 reprecussions for their immature actions
Aside from the fact that, if it’s legal, it’s not murder, I personally don’t want immature, irresponsible people raising kids. I don’t want alcoholics and druggies having kids at all. I wouldn’t try to stop them by passing a law, but making abortion available to them seems like a fine idea.
10/31/2011 3:26:54 PM
Originally Posted By Japle:
First of all my friend, you really need to start proof-reading your posts. Seriously.
You’re the one who said, “If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard”. I was simply pointing out that your statement is absurd. When people have sex it’s almost never for the purpose of having kids.
While I strongly disagree with your use of the term “murder”, I do agree completely that people use abortion to avoid dealing with mistakes they made and don't want to deal with.
I have no problem with that. We have too many people on this rock now. Why add more, especially when they aren’t wanted?
Lots of sub-categories, though. Lots of emotion. Lots of different motivations. It’s complicated.
That’s your opinion, to which you have every right. I disagree. The courts disagree.
I’m not sure of your point.
Aside from the fact that, if it’s legal, it’s not murder, I personally don’t want immature, irresponsible people raising kids. I don’t want alcoholics and druggies having kids at all. I wouldn’t try to stop them by passing a law, but making abortion available to them seems like a fine idea.
Posted by usmarebel:
You are correct and God gave it to us to enjoy our SPOUSE...you know the whole marriage thing mentioned from Genesis- Revelation. You statements has nothing to do with the Abortion is a cop out (which it is)
You are correct and God gave it to us to enjoy our SPOUSE...you know the whole marriage thing mentioned from Genesis- Revelation. You statements has nothing to do with the Abortion is a cop out (which it is)
First of all my friend, you really need to start proof-reading your posts. Seriously.
You’re the one who said, “If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard”. I was simply pointing out that your statement is absurd. When people have sex it’s almost never for the purpose of having kids.
Yes there have been unintended pregnancies for more than 75 years but guess what it wasn't socially acceptable to kill the child either. What is new is people legalizing murder to get out of dealing with a mistake they made and don't want to deal with.
While I strongly disagree with your use of the term “murder”, I do agree completely that people use abortion to avoid dealing with mistakes they made and don't want to deal with.
I have no problem with that. We have too many people on this rock now. Why add more, especially when they aren’t wanted?
Human sexuality most definitely isn't complex it's quite simple on many different levels. What motivate human sexuality? It can quite simply be broken down into 2 categories Love or Lust.
Lots of sub-categories, though. Lots of emotion. Lots of different motivations. It’s complicated.
You completely missed the point as do most...law holds you accountable to show your actions of wrong doing. Abortion is a regulated form of immorality which helps irresponsible people escape from responsibility. Abortion should be illegal.
That’s your opinion, to which you have every right. I disagree. The courts disagree.
Science and the medical world says well you can't tell what it is , BUT we know it's not a human yet. but geneticists can with 100% certianty say it is human dna/rna and code sequencing otherwise they would not be able to tell at the early stages if you will have a baby with genetic abnormalities.
I’m not sure of your point.
It is nothing but legal murder said to be to complex for the simpletons to understand when in reality it is so billy bob and suzie rotten crotch can has 0 reprecussions for their immature actions
Aside from the fact that, if it’s legal, it’s not murder, I personally don’t want immature, irresponsible people raising kids. I don’t want alcoholics and druggies having kids at all. I wouldn’t try to stop them by passing a law, but making abortion available to them seems like a fine idea.
I didn't know i was being graded on my posts... My statement is 100% true and hardly absurd. Especially if you are the one decided what is or isn't absurd. Guess what you shouldn't be having sex unless you are married. If you aren't married then you are taking taking the risk. That's another topic of discussion.
I don't care if you disagree with my statement of murder. That is exactly what is it It is a legally sanctioned killing., but lets not clamor or get into the details that are so absurd. WOW, just think if more people had a system of ethics like you hold. we could legalize murder of adults and we'd really be rocking then think of how many people we could get rid of since after all if it's legal it's not murder. Who are you to judge if there are to many "people on this rock/"
You're flawed reasoning is astounding. What if i didn't want you or others i deal with daily around should i just kill them if they inconvienience me?
No, i am pretty sure sex is very simple and can be broken down into love or lust. if you rely on emotions to make your daily decisions i would be will to bet the world would be even more screwed up than it is.
So how is the murder of unborn children moral? I can't WAIT for this one!
I know you aren't sure of my point, b/c you can't see past your own desires and unsound views. to break it down barney style since you can't seemto figure it ou....You support killing humans. You support murder of humans, you support taking the chance to be something great away from humans, you support the same thing they do in africa (genocide)....but since the law says it's ok you are fine with it.
You think that telling people they can or can't have kids is a good thing. who do you think you are to make that decision what give's you the right to take away the rights of the Baby? Or do you have to be able to voice your opinion to have rights? You say you don't want them having kids, and wouldn't pass a law to stop them but you are fine with giving the the option to murder a child that is completely innocent.
I might need to check my posts to please a grammar nazi, but you seriously need to check your morals or it could come back to bite you one day.
Do you have kids?
10/31/2011 5:02:15 PM
Usmcrebel, I’m not going to address everything in your last post. I’m getting pretty tired of having to read your stuff several times to figure out what you mean.
Just a few things:
IMNSHO, that’s absurd. Are you thinking about having kids when you’re having sex? It’s unrealistic to expect people to avoid sex just because they don’t want kids.
Capitol punishment is already legal in many states. I’m not sure how that applies here.
To you, abortion isn’t moral. That’s pretty plain. I don’t recall if you’ve said exactly why you feel that way, but it’s obvious that you do.
To me, abortion is OK. I’m not particularly happy when a woman who can easily support a child gets an abortion just because she can’t be bothered with a kid, but I don’t see any way to write a law that would prevent that and not screw things up for women who’s lives would be seriously messed up if they were forced to give birth. And (pay attention here) I wouldn’t support such a law anyway. The government has no damn business intruding on people’s private lives.
No. I don’t support any of that. I do support legal abortion on demand.
What? I’m not the one who wants to tell people they can or can’t have kids. You’re the one who wants to force a woman to have a kid she doesn’t want.
And (I know you’re going to love this) the baby doesn’t have any rights for the first trimester and limited rights for the second and third.
None of that is my responsibility. I didn’t pass the laws. I didn’t hand down the decisions. I don’t know why you’re so angry with me. Write your legislators and tell them how you feel. You should type your letter into Word, though, and hit the F7 key.
BTW, I already said I have one child. Well, not really a child. She’s 40 years old. My grandson just turned 16.
Just a few things:
If you don't want kids don't have sex...it's really not that hard.
IMNSHO, that’s absurd. Are you thinking about having kids when you’re having sex? It’s unrealistic to expect people to avoid sex just because they don’t want kids.
just think if more people had a system of ethics like you hold. we could legalize murder of adults and we'd really be rocking then think of how many people we could get rid of since after all if it's legal it's not murder.
Capitol punishment is already legal in many states. I’m not sure how that applies here.
So how is the murder of unborn children moral? I can't WAIT for this one!
To you, abortion isn’t moral. That’s pretty plain. I don’t recall if you’ve said exactly why you feel that way, but it’s obvious that you do.
To me, abortion is OK. I’m not particularly happy when a woman who can easily support a child gets an abortion just because she can’t be bothered with a kid, but I don’t see any way to write a law that would prevent that and not screw things up for women who’s lives would be seriously messed up if they were forced to give birth. And (pay attention here) I wouldn’t support such a law anyway. The government has no damn business intruding on people’s private lives.
I know you aren't sure of my point, b/c you can't see past your own desires and unsound views. to break it down barney style since you can't seemto figure it ou....You support killing humans. You support murder of humans, you support taking the chance to be something great away from humans, you support the same thing they do in africa (genocide)....but since the law says it's ok you are fine with it.
No. I don’t support any of that. I do support legal abortion on demand.
You think that telling people they can or can't have kids is a good thing. who do you think you are to make that decision what give's you the right to take away the rights of the Baby?
What? I’m not the one who wants to tell people they can or can’t have kids. You’re the one who wants to force a woman to have a kid she doesn’t want.
And (I know you’re going to love this) the baby doesn’t have any rights for the first trimester and limited rights for the second and third.
None of that is my responsibility. I didn’t pass the laws. I didn’t hand down the decisions. I don’t know why you’re so angry with me. Write your legislators and tell them how you feel. You should type your letter into Word, though, and hit the F7 key.
BTW, I already said I have one child. Well, not really a child. She’s 40 years old. My grandson just turned 16.
11/2/2011 11:20:15 AM
Then read more carefully.
IMNSHO if you take a risk (sex in this case) then you have to live with the results. There are TONS of means of contraception Condoms, BC, Abstinence to name the most common. If you aren't using any of them and you do not want a child then you are playing with fire and you have no excuses as to why you got pregnant. Therefore Abortion is a cop out of responsibility. You can't use the "well they couldn't afford any of that" excuse. I have been so poor that i wasn't able to afford my bills and food, but b/c i knew i could not take care of a child i bought rubbers for me and the wife (my only partner FWIW). Not to mention in most states women can go to medicade ( or however it's spelled) and get on BC. Once again no excuse, and the majority should not pander to the few who refuse. No where have i said people avoid sex if they do not want kids. If you aren't married you shouldn't be having sex anyway. What is astounding to me is your opinion that people have 0 self control and that people MUST have sex and it is unavoidable I avoided it for 19 years of my life before i got married.
I know you don't see it this way but i do not care how you see abortion it is murder. It is no different than killing a baby as soon as it comes out of the womb but hasn't taken a breathe yet. yes and capitol punishment deals with convicted felons, so what exactly are you convicting an UNBORN child of that deserves death? I always thought it was innocent until proven guilty.
How is abortion moral? there is in no way shape form or fashion that YOU nor anyone else could consider it moral. Morality implies a SET of "golden rules." Abortion follows NONE of societies moral rules, but rather it makes exceptions to them so people feel better about their actions (selfish ones at that). That is not morality that is the exact opposite of morality. No one forces the mothers to keep their children after birth. My wife deals in this EVERYDAY. Her being adopted also says a lot to me since her birth mother was one of those people that should never have kids. My MIL found her biological mom in an Abortion clinic about to go back to see what could be done. So this argument has and does on a daily basis impact my life. You say the gov't shouldn't have any say, but then support Roe V Wade...that is the anti-thesis of your argument since in fact you DO support the gov't getting involved and regulating an IMMORALITY.
Murder is a black and white issue. You either do or do not support it. You support the killing of human unborn children therefore you support murder.
I never made the woman have sex with no protection, I am not the one who made the woman get pregnant. That was her doing because she couldn't keep her legs shut. Who are you to decide what someone does or does not have? Well at least you have admitted it is a baby in the first trimester. This further goes to show that you are fine with the mass genocide occuring and have no objections to the slaughter of innocent babies. Who is next? No, I know you didn't pass laws or hand down decisions...thankfully or it could've been much worse from what i gather from your postings. My legislators know how i feel I have spoken with them personally. Guess what i've picked up the phone and called them as well.
Why am i angry with you? Don't flatter yourself, I am angry at the ideals you and others hold that deem this type of action ok, BUT then want to go and tell someone else what they can or can't do. People such as yourself claim to hold morals, but when closer examined that is nothing but a blanant falsity. Even the most heartless killers on this planet would not hurt a baby, and in prison they routinely kill those who have. There is no diffenerce in between what you support and what the murderers on death row have done. There is no moral satisfaction or in abortion. There is no ethical preset of rules that allows for abortion.
Just think what would you have done if you grandson had never made it b/c your daughter had an abortion? Also the emotional trauma that abortion leaves the affected (woman, girl, family) with is often times diasastrious in the worst ways. None of that matters either though just th e fact that the mother got to have her abortion b/c she was irresponsible and wanted a way out. A very close friend of mine had an abortion 2 years ago she still ahsn't recovered from the emotional trauma that occurred. I've told her all the things i've told you and she even says "abortion is wrong" but had one anyway. That left me and a few other friends and family to try and pick up the pieces of her shatterd emotions.
So there is some insight to why i do not and never will support anything that kills babies
IMNSHO if you take a risk (sex in this case) then you have to live with the results. There are TONS of means of contraception Condoms, BC, Abstinence to name the most common. If you aren't using any of them and you do not want a child then you are playing with fire and you have no excuses as to why you got pregnant. Therefore Abortion is a cop out of responsibility. You can't use the "well they couldn't afford any of that" excuse. I have been so poor that i wasn't able to afford my bills and food, but b/c i knew i could not take care of a child i bought rubbers for me and the wife (my only partner FWIW). Not to mention in most states women can go to medicade ( or however it's spelled) and get on BC. Once again no excuse, and the majority should not pander to the few who refuse. No where have i said people avoid sex if they do not want kids. If you aren't married you shouldn't be having sex anyway. What is astounding to me is your opinion that people have 0 self control and that people MUST have sex and it is unavoidable I avoided it for 19 years of my life before i got married.
I know you don't see it this way but i do not care how you see abortion it is murder. It is no different than killing a baby as soon as it comes out of the womb but hasn't taken a breathe yet. yes and capitol punishment deals with convicted felons, so what exactly are you convicting an UNBORN child of that deserves death? I always thought it was innocent until proven guilty.
How is abortion moral? there is in no way shape form or fashion that YOU nor anyone else could consider it moral. Morality implies a SET of "golden rules." Abortion follows NONE of societies moral rules, but rather it makes exceptions to them so people feel better about their actions (selfish ones at that). That is not morality that is the exact opposite of morality. No one forces the mothers to keep their children after birth. My wife deals in this EVERYDAY. Her being adopted also says a lot to me since her birth mother was one of those people that should never have kids. My MIL found her biological mom in an Abortion clinic about to go back to see what could be done. So this argument has and does on a daily basis impact my life. You say the gov't shouldn't have any say, but then support Roe V Wade...that is the anti-thesis of your argument since in fact you DO support the gov't getting involved and regulating an IMMORALITY.
Murder is a black and white issue. You either do or do not support it. You support the killing of human unborn children therefore you support murder.
I never made the woman have sex with no protection, I am not the one who made the woman get pregnant. That was her doing because she couldn't keep her legs shut. Who are you to decide what someone does or does not have? Well at least you have admitted it is a baby in the first trimester. This further goes to show that you are fine with the mass genocide occuring and have no objections to the slaughter of innocent babies. Who is next? No, I know you didn't pass laws or hand down decisions...thankfully or it could've been much worse from what i gather from your postings. My legislators know how i feel I have spoken with them personally. Guess what i've picked up the phone and called them as well.
Why am i angry with you? Don't flatter yourself, I am angry at the ideals you and others hold that deem this type of action ok, BUT then want to go and tell someone else what they can or can't do. People such as yourself claim to hold morals, but when closer examined that is nothing but a blanant falsity. Even the most heartless killers on this planet would not hurt a baby, and in prison they routinely kill those who have. There is no diffenerce in between what you support and what the murderers on death row have done. There is no moral satisfaction or in abortion. There is no ethical preset of rules that allows for abortion.
Just think what would you have done if you grandson had never made it b/c your daughter had an abortion? Also the emotional trauma that abortion leaves the affected (woman, girl, family) with is often times diasastrious in the worst ways. None of that matters either though just th e fact that the mother got to have her abortion b/c she was irresponsible and wanted a way out. A very close friend of mine had an abortion 2 years ago she still ahsn't recovered from the emotional trauma that occurred. I've told her all the things i've told you and she even says "abortion is wrong" but had one anyway. That left me and a few other friends and family to try and pick up the pieces of her shatterd emotions.
So there is some insight to why i do not and never will support anything that kills babies
11/2/2011 2:00:58 PM
Posted by usmcrebel:
IMNSHO if you take a risk (sex in this case) then you have to live with the results. There are TONS of means of contraception Condoms, BC, Abstinence to name the most common. If you aren't using any of them and you do not want a child then you are playing with fire and you have no excuses as to why you got pregnant.
IMNSHO if you take a risk (sex in this case) then you have to live with the results. There are TONS of means of contraception Condoms, BC, Abstinence to name the most common. If you aren't using any of them and you do not want a child then you are playing with fire and you have no excuses as to why you got pregnant.
I agree.
Therefore Abortion is a cop out of responsibility.
It’s a solution to a problem that was caused by irresponsibility.
What is astounding to me is your opinion that people have 0 self control and that people MUST have sex and it is unavoidable I avoided it for 19 years of my life before i got married.
That’s not what I said. Some people act responsibly and some don’t. Those who don’t now have a way to dig themselves out of a hole they shouldn’t have dug in the first place. The alternative is for them to have children they aren’t responsible enough to raise.
I know you don't see it this way but i do not care how you see abortion it is murder.
The first part is right. The second part is wrong.
It is no different than killing a baby as soon as it comes out of the womb but hasn't taken a breathe yet. yes and capitol punishment deals with convicted felons, so what exactly are you convicting an UNBORN child of that deserves death? I always thought it was innocent until proven guilty.
Who said anything about the fetus being on trial?
How is abortion moral?
That depends on who you ask. I think this thread demonstrates that.
Murder is a black and white issue.
If that were true, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
You either do or do not support it. You support the killing of human unborn children therefore you support murder.
We’ve been through this. You can call it “murder” if it makes you feel better. The courts disagree. I disagree.
I’m not going to comment on the next two paragraphs other than to say you’re getting pretty personal and what you’re saying borders on insult. The rest of it is just a lot of emotional ranting.
11/2/2011 3:42:39 PM
Too much personal back and forth –– continue it via IM if you wish.
11/2/2011 3:42:48 PM
See above
