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Jim, I'm just curious to know?
11/10/2008 1:22:23 AM
Hey Jim, I know you have no control over what the Outdoor channel does, or wait, maybe you do? But either way, hopefully, you can answer my question or at least direct me to who could?
I am just curious to know, with the Outdoor channel making a good majority of it's money from hunting and shooting shows, and advertising for same, why did I see ads for Obama on the Outdoor channel? Why would the Outdoor channel run ads from and for Obama, the one who is and will be the most anti-gun President we've ever had? The one who will have a direct effect on the hunting and shooting industry and in the end, the pocket book of the Outdoor channel and shows like yours that are on the Outdoor channel.
If it matters why I'm asking you, it's because I noticed the ad for Obama while watching the Shooting USA episode which aired Wednesday, October 29th, 2008, which I had DVR'd. Wish I still had it, but seeing as how I watched it and answered the contest question for that show, I went ahead and deleted it, or I could tell you which one it was and when in the show it came.
I mean, I understand the Outdoor channel has to pay it's bills and make money to be/stay in business. But I just don't and can't understand why the Outdoor channel would do this. I don't think they were hurting for cash that bad or that much and had to do it to stay in business...
Mr. Scoutten, I mean no disrespect in asking you. As I said, I saw the ad/ads while watching your show. I just couldn't and still can't believe I saw them on that channel, during your show...
I am just curious to know, with the Outdoor channel making a good majority of it's money from hunting and shooting shows, and advertising for same, why did I see ads for Obama on the Outdoor channel? Why would the Outdoor channel run ads from and for Obama, the one who is and will be the most anti-gun President we've ever had? The one who will have a direct effect on the hunting and shooting industry and in the end, the pocket book of the Outdoor channel and shows like yours that are on the Outdoor channel.
If it matters why I'm asking you, it's because I noticed the ad for Obama while watching the Shooting USA episode which aired Wednesday, October 29th, 2008, which I had DVR'd. Wish I still had it, but seeing as how I watched it and answered the contest question for that show, I went ahead and deleted it, or I could tell you which one it was and when in the show it came.
I mean, I understand the Outdoor channel has to pay it's bills and make money to be/stay in business. But I just don't and can't understand why the Outdoor channel would do this. I don't think they were hurting for cash that bad or that much and had to do it to stay in business...
Mr. Scoutten, I mean no disrespect in asking you. As I said, I saw the ad/ads while watching your show. I just couldn't and still can't believe I saw them on that channel, during your show...
11/10/2008 7:15:19 PM
Glock_Meister,
I'm pleased you asked, because this same event may have occurred in a number of contested, so-called "battle-ground states".
There are three ways commercials may be inserted in our shows:
1. We show commercials from our show sponsors, like S&W and Benelli and Blackhawk and so on. You'll know which sponsors are ours by the announcer bits just before a commercial break. We call them "billboards". "Shooting USA is brought to you by..." Those are the folks paying us, who make it possible for us to produce the shows.
2. Outdoor Channel has some commercial positions in our shows. They insert commercials from their sponsors, like Larry Potterfield from Midway USA telling you "thanks for the business." You'll also see spots (commercials) for ATVs, and antifreeze and oils, since our shows rate the highest in male viewers. So you get guy stuff inserted in our shows by Outdoor Channel.
3. In each half hour there is a local break of 2:00 minutes for the local cable system to insert spots they have sold for their market. I get my viewing through Dish Network, which is national, so I never saw an Obama commercial in the Dish 2:00 break. Most often I see Vince selling Shamwows, "it's made in Germany, the Germans make lots of good stuff..."
What you saw was an Obama commercial buy made with your local cable system. The Obama campaign had so much money (of unknown origins) that they bought massive amounts of television in the "battle-ground states". Likely in your case, they booked everything available for Obama spots, even if the known audience didn't match... certianly the case for a spot inserted in our shows.
So you got treated to an ad in Illinois, inserted by your Illinois cable system. It could also have been a McCain commercial, but they knew they didn't have a chance in your politics.
Jim
I'm pleased you asked, because this same event may have occurred in a number of contested, so-called "battle-ground states".
There are three ways commercials may be inserted in our shows:
1. We show commercials from our show sponsors, like S&W and Benelli and Blackhawk and so on. You'll know which sponsors are ours by the announcer bits just before a commercial break. We call them "billboards". "Shooting USA is brought to you by..." Those are the folks paying us, who make it possible for us to produce the shows.
2. Outdoor Channel has some commercial positions in our shows. They insert commercials from their sponsors, like Larry Potterfield from Midway USA telling you "thanks for the business." You'll also see spots (commercials) for ATVs, and antifreeze and oils, since our shows rate the highest in male viewers. So you get guy stuff inserted in our shows by Outdoor Channel.
3. In each half hour there is a local break of 2:00 minutes for the local cable system to insert spots they have sold for their market. I get my viewing through Dish Network, which is national, so I never saw an Obama commercial in the Dish 2:00 break. Most often I see Vince selling Shamwows, "it's made in Germany, the Germans make lots of good stuff..."
What you saw was an Obama commercial buy made with your local cable system. The Obama campaign had so much money (of unknown origins) that they bought massive amounts of television in the "battle-ground states". Likely in your case, they booked everything available for Obama spots, even if the known audience didn't match... certianly the case for a spot inserted in our shows.
So you got treated to an ad in Illinois, inserted by your Illinois cable system. It could also have been a McCain commercial, but they knew they didn't have a chance in your politics.
Jim
11/11/2008 12:15:13 AM
Sir, I thank you for taking time out of your busy day and replying to my question and concerns.
I did not know that, in this case, The Outdoor Channel, does not have complete control of what is put on or run during their shows. I mean, sure, I understand there are station breaks or station identification breaks and then of course as you mentioned the sponsors of not only the shows aired but sponsors and paid advertisers of the channel.
I was unaware that the cable/satellite company could still run ads just because it's their cable or in this case, Dish network. Obviously, I don't know how this business works, which is why I asked. But I guess I always just assumed they owned the channel and have full and complete control of what is put or run on it. I did not know that the satellite or cable system/company can slip their own agenda/commercials in there, other then station or system identification.
I guess to explain it in simpler terms; I thought when a channel is owned, it's owned and nothing can be put on it without that channels consent. Like if you rent an apartment. It isn't exactly yours, but you do pay rent and the owner of the building can't just come right in and make you use a certain brand of appliances because his brother might own an appliance store or something or that you don't have your own washer and dryers and he says you have to use his laundry services in the basement. I thought anything run on a channel, had to be approved by and through the owner of the channel.
Or am I wrong when I say the channel is owned? And instead it's leased and then in the lease are the usual terms and this is one of those terms?
Live and learn. I'm just glad to learn it wasn't a money thing and if The Outdoor Channel or you or others just simply didn't have a choice and had they, well, I'll just say I wouldn't have had to ask that question... lol Again, Mr. Scoutten, I THANK YOU for taking the time to reply. You are da' man.
P.S. I'd love to someday go shootin' with ya'. But then I'd also be happy with someday just being able to get outta Obamaland. lol
I did not know that, in this case, The Outdoor Channel, does not have complete control of what is put on or run during their shows. I mean, sure, I understand there are station breaks or station identification breaks and then of course as you mentioned the sponsors of not only the shows aired but sponsors and paid advertisers of the channel.
I was unaware that the cable/satellite company could still run ads just because it's their cable or in this case, Dish network. Obviously, I don't know how this business works, which is why I asked. But I guess I always just assumed they owned the channel and have full and complete control of what is put or run on it. I did not know that the satellite or cable system/company can slip their own agenda/commercials in there, other then station or system identification.
I guess to explain it in simpler terms; I thought when a channel is owned, it's owned and nothing can be put on it without that channels consent. Like if you rent an apartment. It isn't exactly yours, but you do pay rent and the owner of the building can't just come right in and make you use a certain brand of appliances because his brother might own an appliance store or something or that you don't have your own washer and dryers and he says you have to use his laundry services in the basement. I thought anything run on a channel, had to be approved by and through the owner of the channel.
Or am I wrong when I say the channel is owned? And instead it's leased and then in the lease are the usual terms and this is one of those terms?
Live and learn. I'm just glad to learn it wasn't a money thing and if The Outdoor Channel or you or others just simply didn't have a choice and had they, well, I'll just say I wouldn't have had to ask that question... lol Again, Mr. Scoutten, I THANK YOU for taking the time to reply. You are da' man.
P.S. I'd love to someday go shootin' with ya'. But then I'd also be happy with someday just being able to get outta Obamaland. lol
11/12/2008 5:20:00 AM
The short answer, without discussing washers and dryers 
is that we own our shows, but have a deal with Outdoor Channel to show them.
Outdoor Channel owns their network, but has a deal with cable and satellite systems to carry the network.
In each case, each party has to get paid. And commercials sold by each party is the currency that makes it all work.
Jim
is that we own our shows, but have a deal with Outdoor Channel to show them.
Outdoor Channel owns their network, but has a deal with cable and satellite systems to carry the network.
In each case, each party has to get paid. And commercials sold by each party is the currency that makes it all work.
Jim
