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 Rocksmith videogame; it's like Guitar Hero for real guitars!
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/8/2011 5:47:05 PM
I was in Best Buy yesterday goofing off in the musical instruments department & they had a demo running on a TV about a game coming out called Rocksmith.

It uses a special controller that you plug any electric guitar into. Apparently they've figured out how to track the notes fast enough to keep up with the game, which could also be a good thing for people that like to mess around with guitar synths...but that's another subject.

So anyway, what it boils down to, is that it literally will teach you how to play songs.

I don't know if it has a theory teaching mode or not though.

Link: http://rocksmith.ubi.com/rocksmith/en-US/home/

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cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/8/2011 5:55:00 PM
I called it. I predicted this would eventually happen a couple of years ago.

I could be buying this VERY SOON as it's exactly what I want, in principle.


CJ
pavlovwolf  [Team Member]
10/8/2011 7:56:48 PM
That's awesome. Been waiting on this to come out. I hated getting thrashed by the young punks plying the other stuff. I just couldn't get it. I told my nephew and his friends that if they ever made one where you actually had to play a real instrument, I'd be back to visit my revenge upon them. Unfortunately, they started a band, and a few of them are natural shredders, so I'll have to be sure to get them drunk before playing. College kids, so should be easy.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/8/2011 9:16:19 PM
Here's one way to get an edge on learning to improve your playing: Take vitamin E (good for neural function) and if you can arrange for a doctor
to give you a prescription, get prescribed for Aricept, the anti-Alzheimer's medication. It will make it easier for you to learn and retain the knowledge
you have learned, including musical knowledge.

The stuff works.


CJ
CIB  [Member]
10/14/2011 11:17:13 AM
I've got it pre-ordered, I really did'nt much care for the track list, but it was kinda what I expected it to be. Maybe, the cool stuff will be added to dlc later on.
an_hero  [Member]
10/14/2011 3:25:59 PM
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
...if you can arrange for a doctor to give you a prescription, get prescribed for Aricept, the anti-Alzheimer's medication.


Really? Have you tried it?
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/14/2011 5:00:49 PM
Originally Posted By CIB:
I've got it pre-ordered, I really did'nt much care for the track list, but it was kinda what I expected it to be. Maybe, the cool stuff will be added to dlc later on.


I'm hoping for better songs too. And I imagine of people will start plating requests on their Facebook wall, they'd get the hint.

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CIB  [Member]
10/14/2011 10:58:21 PM
Agreed, but...........dammit that means I'll have to activate a facebook account, ugh!

On another note, people not familiar with the fret board may find it difficult. Especially if they are having to look down at it all the time. I'm hoping it will get my daughter back into playing!
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/14/2011 11:58:42 PM

Originally Posted By an_hero:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
...if you can arrange for a doctor to give you a prescription, get prescribed for Aricept, the anti-Alzheimer's medication.


Really? Have you tried it?

Yes.

Take it in the evening, and the next day you can TELL that your memory is better. Things you need to do but which might slip your mind will
NOT be forgotten that day.

But I recommend taking it in the morning instead. Because if I take it at night, I tend to get some really VIVID dreams.


CJ
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/15/2011 7:12:21 AM
Originally Posted By CIB:
Agreed, but...........dammit that means I'll have to activate a facebook account, ugh!

On another note, people not familiar with the fret board may find it difficult. Especially if they are having to look down at it all the time. I'm hoping it will get my daughter back into playing!


I actually like Facebook. It gives me a way to BS with old friends that I wouldn't otherwise have had the chance to.

And about the difficulty thing, the game is supposed to sense how hard of a time you're having and slow down accordingly.

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CIB  [Member]
10/18/2011 9:10:46 PM
Well, how many of you guys have tried it? It is very Guitar Heroish, starts out pretty slow, and easy, and increases as you hit the correct notes. It does'nt have an "Easy, Normal, Expert" setting it adjusts itself automatically. The "Duck" shooting gallery was pure genuis! One thing I don't like is constantly being forced to check my tuning, it is a fucking annoyance for sure.
Admittedly I can't make a final judgement as I have'nt played it, but for about a half-hour so far. I was a bit taken back by the price, but you do have to have a cable, so I guess it is somewhat justified.
sixgunner455  [Member]
10/19/2011 1:50:21 PM
Very tempted to get this for myself for Christmas.

In fact, may go down to Best Buy tonight to play around with it, and maybe pre-order the PC version.
callmestick  [Team Member]
10/19/2011 2:23:06 PM
I'll probably order it tommorow, I may need a beater guitar now to leave in the living room around the dogs.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/19/2011 5:32:28 PM
I'll have to wait for a while, as only the PC version will do me any good. I don't own a modern game console and don't intend to buy one.

But I do have a Sega Dreamcast!
sixgunner455  [Member]
10/19/2011 6:04:41 PM
I only have a PS2, and don't intend to upgrade it, so I'll have to order a PC version.
ARinKCMO  [Team Member]
10/19/2011 6:36:34 PM
Intriguing. So, how is this different from the Rock Band 3 with the real guitar?

This should be cheaper, I assume, since the player will be furnishing the guitar. My strat is just sitting around collecting dust....

Tracklist isn't very inspiring though....might have to go play with a live demo and see how I like it.

Reviews mention audio lag, and the 'solution' is not to use HDMI. Uh.....wow, really?
CIB  [Member]
10/19/2011 7:45:51 PM
Yeah, there is a bit of audio latency with the HDMI, mine is'nt too bad, and I have'nt tried to make it perfect yet. HDMI is awesome for video, not so much for audio. You can plug straight into your speakers, or use a Turtle Beach headset to get around the lag though.
ARinKCMO  [Team Member]
10/19/2011 9:27:08 PM
Originally Posted By CIB:
Yeah, there is a bit of audio latency with the HDMI, mine is'nt too bad, and I have'nt tried to make it perfect yet. HDMI is awesome for video, not so much for audio. You can plug straight into your speakers, or use a Turtle Beach headset to get around the lag though.


I have both my consoles run HDMI, but then the TV audio out is directed to my surround sound head. So....is that bypassing the audio, or would I need to do something else?

CIB  [Member]
10/19/2011 10:06:33 PM
I think that might work, the instructions say that if HDMI is your primary audio source, then it's not recommended that you use the Tv's speakers.

Pic of the instructions that come with the game, scroll about a quarter of the way down.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3444046
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 1:28:51 PM
I'll be buying it!
philspel  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 7:13:40 PM
I bought it last night and my fingers are raw. I can tell this will make me a better guitar player.
MP0117  [Member]
10/20/2011 7:19:25 PM
Dang! That's cool!
MP0117  [Member]
10/20/2011 7:20:19 PM
Originally Posted By philspel:
I bought it last night and my fingers are raw. I can tell this will make me a better guitar player.


You will once your calluses firm up.

philspel  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 7:25:36 PM
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By philspel:
I bought it last night and my fingers are raw. I can tell this will make me a better guitar player.


You will once your calluses firm up.



I have played about an half hour a day (90% acoustic) for the last year and a half solid, rarely missing a day. It is my prozac for life, and yet my fingers are still "raw" today. Good stuff.
blackdeek2006  [Team Member]
10/21/2011 9:18:35 AM
Pre-ordered a long time ago...and now I'm stuck waiting for the dam USPS to deliver! Bastards! Very excited, the reviews have been quite positive. Hope it get me playing more, I've been slacking for awhile.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/21/2011 10:27:12 AM
This will come at a very good time for me.

I made the decision, a few months ago, that I was tired of having virtually no musical ability despite having "played" guitar since
1985. And making guitars since 1986. So it's time to fix that.

I'm rebuilding my musical knowledge base pretty much from scratch. I'm alternating between three different teachers
and focusing on sight reading, which has me working out of a series of classical music books starting at Lesson One,
and also on music theory, at the same time. I'm pretty much attacking every aspect of music at the same time, as
I am at different levels for different aspects of playing. Sight reading, scales knowledge, intervals, ear training,
chord construction, harmonization, modes, and physical playing ability are all at very different levels for me so I'm taking
a bizarre variety of courses of instruction all at the same time.

This game, when it comes out on PC, is sure to help me along even further.

CJ
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/21/2011 12:49:02 PM
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
This will come at a very good time for me.

I made the decision, a few months ago, that I was tired of having virtually no musical ability despite having "played" guitar since
1985. And making guitars since 1986. So it's time to fix that.

I'm rebuilding my musical knowledge base pretty much from scratch. I'm alternating between three different teachers
and focusing on sight reading, which has me working out of a series of classical music books starting at Lesson One,
and also on music theory, at the same time. I'm pretty much attacking every aspect of music at the same time, as
I am at different levels for different aspects of playing. Sight reading, scales knowledge, intervals, ear training,
chord construction, harmonization, modes, and physical playing ability are all at very different levels for me so I'm taking
a bizarre variety of courses of instruction all at the same time.

This game, when it comes out on PC, is sure to help me along even further.

CJ


I'm just hoping that it will teach theory & not just songs.

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callmestick  [Team Member]
10/21/2011 3:38:34 PM
Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
This will come at a very good time for me.

I made the decision, a few months ago, that I was tired of having virtually no musical ability despite having "played" guitar since
1985. And making guitars since 1986. So it's time to fix that.

I'm rebuilding my musical knowledge base pretty much from scratch. I'm alternating between three different teachers
and focusing on sight reading, which has me working out of a series of classical music books starting at Lesson One,
and also on music theory, at the same time. I'm pretty much attacking every aspect of music at the same time, as
I am at different levels for different aspects of playing. Sight reading, scales knowledge, intervals, ear training,
chord construction, harmonization, modes, and physical playing ability are all at very different levels for me so I'm taking
a bizarre variety of courses of instruction all at the same time.

This game, when it comes out on PC, is sure to help me along even further.

CJ


I'm just hoping that it will teach theory & not just songs.

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I played for about 4 hours last night, I don't get the impression that it's going to teach you any theory although that may be in one of the futurek lessons. I only did a couple of lessons last night cause my friend that also plays guitar was over so we were working on playing songs. I think it will do wonders for site reading, reading music or tab that sits still on a page is going to be nothing compared to decoding the shit that is moving all over the screen. I suck at playing guitar, have played for about 20 years mostly for fun, no dreams of being in a band or anything. My friend is much much better than I, very musically oriented, plays pretty much anything with strings and could easily be a proffesional if he wasn't so closed minded. We both really enjoyed playing it. I can't wait to get some more time on it but got to many chores to do today.

CIB  [Member]
10/21/2011 10:42:04 PM
I'd agree, that there is'nt much in the way of theory. Remember guys, this is marketed as a "Game", you ain't gonna sell many copies if you start forcing boring ass theory down a bunch of teenagers throats. Theory is important to understanding music, not so much for selling games, and making a profit.
I have'nt got to play it much in the last couple of days, started lessons with a new instructor that plays my kind of music. So far he has loaded me up with a bunch of stuff, none of which included Rocksmith, or the Xbox.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/21/2011 10:49:50 PM
One of the nice things about this as a concept is that it can be taken in whatever direction the programmers choose to go.


Reading tab? Can do. Sight reading standard musical notation? Well, why not?

I can envision that this could eventually end up with its own open developmental community that focuses on turning this system
into a truly SOLID musical educational tool that can take you from the most basic of skills all the way up to advanced harmonic theory and improvization
and even into composition and scoring.


As a concept, it's exactly what I've expected to come out eventually. What I'm really surprised about is that a GAME company was first to market with it,
rather than Gibson or Fender. I really thought Gibson would be first to market something like this, given that it would be exactly the sort of thing that
their marketing would seem to be aiming for. Gibson does try some experimental things and many of them are aimed right at bringing the music creation process into the digital age.


CJ
sixgunner455  [Member]
10/25/2011 12:34:37 PM
I agree with you, cmj. I see SO much potential here. I am very excited for the PC version to come out.

The other day, my wife and kids were making up Christmas lists. "What do you want, Daddy?" Rocksmith. "Anything else." No. Just Rocksmith. :D
Zakk_Wylde_470  [Member]
10/26/2011 7:22:13 AM
Between the horrific tracklisting and HDMI audio issues I'm gonna have to pass for now
Eli75  [Life Member]
10/26/2011 7:39:57 AM
I can play 3 or 4 chords and struggle to follow along with tab. Would this game help me or do you need to know how to play already?

I saw it in the Best Buy ad a couple weeks ago and told my wife to get it for me for Christmas.
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/26/2011 7:51:14 AM
There's several videos on YouTube of people starting without knowing anything.

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cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/26/2011 9:23:30 AM

Originally Posted By Eli75:
I can play 3 or 4 chords and struggle to follow along with tab. Would this game help me or do you need to know how to play already?

I saw it in the Best Buy ad a couple weeks ago and told my wife to get it for me for Christmas.


My advice is to start early on learning to read musical notation (Not tab) but tablature can give you a little bit of a boost in learning simple songs at first.

However, reliance on tab will cripple your musical development. Really, learn to read music instead. Everything you ever wanted to play is written out
in standard musical notation. Only some of it is available in tab and tab is harder to read, even when you know how to read both tab and notation.


Rocksmith has great potential as a learning tool, but for the time being it's very limited on what it can teach you. I would say that anyone who tries it and likes it
should seek out a good guitar instructor and take lessons. And be sure to make him teach you music theory and standard notation and sight reading. It's
really not any harder to learn it than anything else.

If a kid can learn to do it, YOU can.


CJ

68_Mustang  [Member]
10/27/2011 10:20:10 PM
Great, every time a game comes out my son beats it in short order. I've been teaching myself how to play for the last 25 years and the last thing my ego needs is him to pass me up in guitar skills after a few weeks.''
SirSqueeboo  [Life Member]
10/27/2011 10:54:17 PM
So is this good for someone who has never touched a guitar?
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 11:00:22 PM
Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
So is this good for someone who has never touched a guitar?


Apparently. Like I mentioned earlier, there are several examples on YouTube of people who have no clue learning stuff with this game.

I would say that it's still a good idea to get some lessons & learn theory, though.
pavlovwolf  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 11:58:18 PM
I hated music theory in college.
SirSqueeboo  [Life Member]
10/28/2011 3:54:35 AM
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
I hated music theory in college.


I lived with a Piano major who dated a Flutist...thanks to them I was smart enough to avoid it.
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/28/2011 3:03:53 PM
Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
I hated music theory in college.


I lived with a Piano major who dated a Flutist...thanks to them I was smart enough to avoid it.


HUHUHUHUH, she played the flute, HUHUHUHH......



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Zippy_The_Wonderdog  [Life Member]
10/31/2011 2:06:00 PM
If one were interested in giving rocksmith a try and knew nothing about guitars, what would be a good one to start with new or used. I have read that the one you can get as part of a package deal with the game isn't worth bothering with.
TYCOM  [Member]
10/31/2011 7:33:55 PM
This is the guitar the Rocksmith bundle comes with:
http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/LP-Junior-Special-Electric-Guitar.site7prod518678.product

Here are some basic guitars that will do well with the game or at a gig.
Fender Strat:
Cheap: http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Affinity-Series-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar.site7prod510423.product
Expensive: http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Highway-One-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar.site7prod512768.product

Fender Tele:
Cheap: http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Affinity-Series-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar.site7prod510443.product
Expensice:http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Highway-One-Series-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar.site7prod512871.product

Les Paul:
Cheap:http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul-Studio-Electric-Guitar.site7prod512585.product
Expensive:http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul-Standard-Traditional-Pro-Electric-Guitar.site7prod581715.product

Semi-Hollow
Cheap:http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Semi-Hollow-and-Hollow-Body-Electric-Guitars/Dot-Deluxe-Flametop-Semi-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar-Vintage-Sunburst.site7sku512456000015000.sku
Expensive: http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Semi-Hollow-and-Hollow-Body-Electric-Guitars/ES-335-Dot-Figured-Top-Electric-Guitar-with-Gloss-Finish.site7prod517280.product

Yes, there are other manufacturers out there but these are the major players. Even a U$200 guitar is pretty good nowadays and sometimes a U$3000 Gibson is a turd. FInd one that plays good, looks good and feels good and go for it.
Note that the economy sucks and people need money. Craigslist has some seriously good deals.

TYCOM
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 7:36:26 PM
I'll just use my Paul Reed Smith SC245 Employee guitar, or any of my custom built guitars.
Zippy_The_Wonderdog  [Life Member]
10/31/2011 8:20:15 PM
I did a bit of research today and this, http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/GRGA32T-Electric-Guitar.site7prod584124.product seems to be viewed favorably. Any thoughts?
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 11:22:29 PM
Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
I did a bit of research today and this, http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/GRGA32T-Electric-Guitar.site7prod584124.product seems to be viewed favorably. Any thoughts?


I've tried out a couple Ibanez S bodies & yeah, they're decent guitars, but the thin body doesn't produce all that great of tone compared to other guitars. In fact when I bought my Ibanez RG320 (basswood body) about 8 or 9 years ago I went with it over a mahogany bodied S series Ibanez, simply because the RG produced a thicker tone.

ETA: And for a first guitar a tremolo isn't a good idea, unless you have the patience to tweak & adjust everytime you hang new strings, or you want to install a tremolo block (stops it from moving one way, or altogether).

A hardtail would be a better idea.

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Eli75  [Life Member]
11/1/2011 6:27:55 PM
Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:
Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
I did a bit of research today and this, http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Solid-Body-Electric-Guitars/GRGA32T-Electric-Guitar.site7prod584124.product seems to be viewed favorably. Any thoughts?


I've tried out a couple Ibanez S bodies & yeah, they're decent guitars, but the thin body doesn't produce all that great of tone compared to other guitars. In fact when I bought my Ibanez RG320 (basswood body) about 8 or 9 years ago I went with it over a mahogany bodied S series Ibanez, simply because the RG produced a thicker tone.

ETA: And for a first guitar a tremolo isn't a good idea, unless you have the patience to tweak & adjust everytime you hang new strings, or you want to install a tremolo block (stops it from moving one way, or altogether).

A hardtail would be a better idea.

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I like mine, but I cant play very well.
Hellraiser  [Member]
11/3/2011 2:04:22 PM
I bought this for my 12 year old son on Monday, he's been playing with it a few hours a day since and have learned some of the songs, but he is already a decent guitar player as I've been teaching him for a few years now. He loves it. Ran into the HDMI lag, tried optical and still had some lag, then finally used analog outputs directly to the stereo as recommended and it works pretty good (also had to turn off all processing features on the stereo for best performance). I'll be playing with it next week since I'll be on vacation and actually have some free time. the great thing is that my son is actually learning more stuff on guitar rather than just wasting his time mashing buttons on a controller that looks like a guitar (guitar hero, rock band).
shadyhaven  [Member]
11/5/2011 10:54:32 AM
i just bought this and have NO experience what so ever! i am impressed! i feel like i have learned more or gained more than trying(in vain) to teach myself through a book. i bought a '52 reissue telecaster in hopes of it motivating me and so far this game has done it. i find it both fun and educational as i learn my way around the fretboard. i really like the mini-games like the fret/duck hunt. its nice to play a game rather than listen to how bad you sound when you first start out. listening to myself was a big distraction as i cannot reproduce the sounds in my head on guitar. this changes that! i just wish the cable was longer.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
11/5/2011 11:05:51 AM
I think everyone who is involved in selliing guitars in any way, shape, or form is really glad this new game has come out.

I predict it will lead to a boost in guitar sales and a lot of new players will find that they really LIKE playing and will continue to play for a long time to come.

The idea also applies to other instruments. I'm sure we'll see this concept applied to all common instruments in time.


But for this to really become useful as a HIGH LEVEL teaching tool, it's going to require a new generation of low cost hex pickups to be integrated into even cheap guitars,
as you really need a hex pickup in order for any sensor to properly track all pitches on all strings. I don't think that Rocksmith does very well with chords. A hex pickup
and suitable controller will allow for chording but not on this system.

Eventually this will become more of a full guitar synth system. But for now, it's a great start.


Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
11/5/2011 11:48:53 AM
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I think everyone who is involved in selliing guitars in any way, shape, or form is really glad this new game has come out.

I predict it will lead to a boost in guitar sales and a lot of new players will find that they really LIKE playing and will continue to play for a long time to come.

The idea also applies to other instruments. I'm sure we'll see this concept applied to all common instruments in time.


But for this to really become useful as a HIGH LEVEL teaching tool, it's going to require a new generation of low cost hex pickups to be integrated into even cheap guitars,
as you really need a hex pickup in order for any sensor to properly track all pitches on all strings. I don't think that Rocksmith does very well with chords. A hex pickup
and suitable controller will allow for chording but not on this system.

Eventually this will become more of a full guitar synth system. But for now, it's a great start.




Well, I don't know about all that, because Guitar World put up a video of one of their staff writers playing one of the "mini games" on Rocksmith where he had to play specific chords. Maybe it is able to pick out the notes in a chord, maybe it doesn't. Maybe it has some sort of algorithm that analyses the frequencies......I don't know for sure, but none the less, for that mini game you have to play chords.

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