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Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 12:29:49 PM
Waiting for the UPS man to show up!!! It's killing me! He's driving around with MY new guitar in his truck and I know he is taking his sweet time in getting in to me!


http://www.espguitars.com/guitars/ltd-standard-deluxe/st-203fr-maple.html


The wait is killing me!


Update 1/12_____________________________

Just installed a solid copper block from http://www.floydupgrades.com/catalog/




and replace the bridge pick up with an "antique" Seymour Duncan "Screamin' Demon" that was hand wound back in the 80's by SD top winder at the time.




Plus installed and old Floyd Rose II from an 84 Kramer Striker that I had laying around. The finish was more matching the "relic" look of this guitar. The fine tuners had already worn it's finish off. Plus the only down side to this LTD was the Floyd that came with it sucked. The fine tuners were shitty and the screws were not formed correctly.
I swapped the saddles from the LTD to the Kramers Floyd so I could have it double locking, but had to change the string lock screws to the Schaller type to get the fine tuners to have more adjustment. So it's kinda Frankensteined...

(with new locking saddles)





Had to do a little grinding to get the Floyd to fit.. (showing the old non locking saddles)






Looks a bit closer to the "relic" look. Wanting to replace the bridge pick up with a SD "Pearly Gates" but I had the Screamin' Demon laying around. Sometime this summer I get around to that. But for now, the sound is incredible! Notes jump out like never before. Sustain and harmonic are just plain crazy.
If you have a Floyd Rose, try out one of the replacement Brass or Copper blocks and love the "NEW" sound your guitar will have!



Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 5:17:22 PM
It's here!!










Sorry for the crappy photos. When and if we get any sun light I'll get out side and take a pic.
Sounds awesome!
an_hero  [Member]
10/20/2011 5:30:10 PM
How much?
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/20/2011 8:57:25 PM

Originally Posted By an_hero:
How much?

I was listed at $299 at a out of town Guitar Center, I traded a POS Squire Strat that someone before me tried a relic job on and they had a $30 off special going on. With shipping and tax added I got it for $212

I wanted a new one and *thought* I was getting a new one (they list for $399) when they emailed the shipping invoice to me when I got home from the local store I saw it said "used" on it. I figured I would wait to see what it looked liked when it got here and I can't really tell the difference that this was used before! This model only came out very recently also so it can't be that old.

Only complaint so far is the fine tuners on the Floyd are cheesy and look out of place being shiny new chrome and all, with the rest of the "relic" look going on I have a few antique looking Floyds I may swap one onto this.

Here is the Strat I traded in...


cage77  [Member]
10/22/2011 1:44:34 PM
Nice! I've been looking at these as well to compliment my Clapton Strat for use with my cover band.

How are the pickups and the stability of the floyd? What is the neck like?? Come on man.....serve up a review!!
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/22/2011 8:51:45 PM
Sorry guys! Been gone much of the last few days.

The neck is great, extra jumbo frets, which I like and a thin "U" neck contour. The pick ups are so so. I have a vintage hand wound Seymor Duncan "Screamin Demon" from the mid 80's that I'm going to put in the bridge. The bridge HB now has that "PAF" sound. Sounds good, just needs a bit of a push. Not sure what I want to do with the middle and neck. They are not bad per say either, I just would like to get a more "blusey" tone out of them... They do have a bit of that relic "yellowing" look to them and the volume/tone knob too.

The Floyd "special" is the weakest point... It's a double locking with the neck lock and stays in tune really great even after repeated dives. The fine tuners are the real cheassy part (and the worse of this Floyd) and fall out without a stop to the threads. All in all I can't put it down, other then being picky on the Floyd it really is a great guitar! Oh, the shielding is awesome! I haven't opened it up yet, but the single coils are as quite as the HB is in all positions!

I have an old vintage Floyd from a mid 80's Kramer that I might put in to help more with the "relic" look, it's all tarnished but it's not a locking one so we'll see. I may just rob some parts from it and add to this one.

I give it a 7.5 out of 10, with a better Floyd I would give it a 9 for sure. (I also really like ESP guitars...) I got a really great deal on this so that helps. I see the standard trems versions going on Ebay for $275-300 and would pay that all day long. With the $399 list price for the Floyd models is a bit high for the Floyd you get, but if you can get one for $300 I would jump on it!


Here is a new family photo!


PS the purple Kramer is for sale too if anyone is interested!
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/23/2011 2:59:47 AM
The sustain surprised me too! A lot more then I thought it would have.
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/24/2011 10:15:39 PM
Congrats!

For the blusier tones you mentioned for the neck, check out the Duncan Alnico II Pro single coils or even one of the Pearly Gates JR pickups the custom shop came out with recently.

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Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/25/2011 2:07:24 PM
I was thinking of putting in the vintage "Screamin Demon" in the bridge that I have, but I just realized it not trembucker spacing. My next thought was to put in a "Pearly Gate" Trembucker. may work with those Alnico II Pro single coils. I hate choosing pick ups!

Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/25/2011 9:30:09 PM
Well they still make Screamin' Demon pickups, so that's an option too. Sure, the new ones probably aren't wound the same, but it'll be close.

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DesertSkorpion  [Member]
10/25/2011 9:45:16 PM
Congrats on the new guitar. For strat type tones you might want to look at the Dimarzio Area pickups. Glad to hear it stays in tune. I have been thinking about picking one of those guitars up.
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/26/2011 11:31:15 AM
I think I have it narrowed down a bit. Pearly Gates in the Bridge, and Seymor Duncan SSL1 or 2's in the middle and neck.
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/26/2011 2:12:44 PM
You'll love that PG. They're one of my favorite pickups.

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macro  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 9:47:49 PM
How does it compare in sound and quality with you ESP?

I've always wanted a real ESP...specifically the skulls and snakes one.
I picked up a top of the line LTD earlier this year and have to admit that the quality was better than I expected. Of course, I paid $800 so I kind of expected the guitar to function well.

Are the real ESP's worth the extra dough?
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/28/2011 2:56:41 AM

Originally Posted By macro:
How does it compare in sound and quality with you ESP?

I've always wanted a real ESP...specifically the skulls and snakes one.
I picked up a top of the line LTD earlier this year and have to admit that the quality was better than I expected. Of course, I paid $800 so I kind of expected the guitar to function well.

Are the real ESP's worth the extra dough?

My ESP is built like a tank. I have had it at least 13 years and have never had to adjust the neck what so ever. The Floyd always stays in tune and the finish is tough as nails too. Not a scratch in it or ding. The neck is killer too. I think the biggest difference from an ESP to a LTD is the pick ups you get and the hardware. My ESP was $2,500 ...is it worth it... to me yes, but you could get a lot of LTD's for that kinda cash. It reminds me of the top end PRS or Gibsons. Only complaint on the ESP was what I thought a lack of sustain. I have been changing amps lately thinking that maybe the problem and just got this Marshall JCM 900 and ADA MP-1 pre-amp, it helped as my old Laney was most of the problem. But there was still something missing. I put in a http://www.floydupgrades.com/catalog/ brass big block and that really set this thing on fire! I had to relearn how to play this, it made that much of a difference! I got the 42mm L big block and brass claw along with a tremolo stop to help speed set up and string changing.

I plan on putting brass block on all my guitars from now on.


macro  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 2:17:23 PM
Thanks for the info...one of these days, when I have the disposable funds, I see an ESP in my future.
I have to say, for the money, the LTD "Les Paul" style guitar I picked up does a nice job...the neck-thru design provides a lot of sustain, but having the solid tail (and top wrapped at that) really gets the tone carrying for a while.

I'm going to make a recommendation (that you didnt ask for)....lose the JCM900! (well, dont get rid of it, just buy an additional amp)

I had a 900 and even had it set up for EL34's....is had some nice sounds, and it had that classic Marshall distortion....I'll even say that the clean channel blew away my Mesa Boogie Solo 50 head...but in the end, I just never loved the tone. Now I'm playing a JCM2000 TSL100....not the most popular amp out there, but if you want a versatile 'jack of all trades' Marshall amp in one package, this head delivers. I went with some very hot preamp tubes and I just finished (like as in, minutes ago) biasing some brand new JJ EL34's....I'm running them just below the threshold....hot, but not maxed out. (88mV at the bias pot to be exact)

I used to run an ADA-MP1 years ago as well....it had its day, and it replicates a lot of the 80's sounds well, but I found it one dimensional. Very good at what it did.....but it didnt do a lot of different things. (at least to my ears)

I'd love to hear that new strat of yours through a good wah and then straight into either a JCM800, or better yet, the TSL sitting next to me

If you check out the Marshall Amp Forum, those guys are like the ARFCOM of Marshall fanboys...and they have Marshall Amp Disease the way we get BRD here...amps seem to multiply. Definitely suggest letting those pickups breathe a little, through a true tube preamp. I wont go all 'purist' and bitch about the solid state stage in the 900...I actually like a SS preamp stage for distortion...but I'm also keen on tone, and I just never got a warm sound out of my 900. (of course, I never tried running my ADA through it, since I sold off most of my rack gear before I had the 900....might have been interesting....hmmmm.)

Anyhow....snowy crappy day outside today.....time to play some
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 6:07:02 PM
Thanks, I would love a JCM800 but cash is tight. In fact a 68 'Plexi would be the ultimate! The 900 has tubes in the preamp (12AX7 ,3 of them) as does the ADA(only 2 though). Not sure what tubes the ADA has as I haven't opened it up yet. My understanding is that the ADA bypass the 900 preamp stage for it's own but with the ADA on it sounds killer tone wise. You have the choice of tube distortion, clean or Solid state distortion. I have seen a 3 tube mod that is out there for the ADA. As well as some other killer mods for it.

Here is a quick clip that I put up of me playing the ADA and a MXR Phase 90 for the first time with out ever playing them before.
Don't hold the poor playing against me I was just trying out the for some tone settings and recorded with my smartphone!




Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 8:00:01 PM
Originally Posted By macro:
Thanks for the info...one of these days, when I have the disposable funds, I see an ESP in my future.
I have to say, for the money, the LTD "Les Paul" style guitar I picked up does a nice job...the neck-thru design provides a lot of sustain, but having the solid tail (and top wrapped at that) really gets the tone carrying for a while.

I'm going to make a recommendation (that you didnt ask for)....lose the JCM900! (well, dont get rid of it, just buy an additional amp)

I had a 900 and even had it set up for EL34's....is had some nice sounds, and it had that classic Marshall distortion....I'll even say that the clean channel blew away my Mesa Boogie Solo 50 head...but in the end, I just never loved the tone. Now I'm playing a JCM2000 TSL100....not the most popular amp out there, but if you want a versatile 'jack of all trades' Marshall amp in one package, this head delivers. I went with some very hot preamp tubes and I just finished (like as in, minutes ago) biasing some brand new JJ EL34's....I'm running them just below the threshold....hot, but not maxed out. (88mV at the bias pot to be exact)

I used to run an ADA-MP1 years ago as well....it had its day, and it replicates a lot of the 80's sounds well, but I found it one dimensional. Very good at what it did.....but it didnt do a lot of different things. (at least to my ears)

I'd love to hear that new strat of yours through a good wah and then straight into either a JCM800, or better yet, the TSL sitting next to me

If you check out the Marshall Amp Forum, those guys are like the ARFCOM of Marshall fanboys...and they have Marshall Amp Disease the way we get BRD here...amps seem to multiply. Definitely suggest letting those pickups breathe a little, through a true tube preamp. I wont go all 'purist' and bitch about the solid state stage in the 900...I actually like a SS preamp stage for distortion...but I'm also keen on tone, and I just never got a warm sound out of my 900. (of course, I never tried running my ADA through it, since I sold off most of my rack gear before I had the 900....might have been interesting....hmmmm.)

Anyhow....snowy crappy day outside today.....time to play some


I have both a JCM2000 TSL & a JVM. The JVM is worlds better than the TSL. Better tone, far more versatility & better controlability.

But, I've been the guy that couldn't afford better gear too. It sucks, but its understandable.

ETA: Damn that sounded arrogant. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.

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sigp226  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 10:44:07 PM
I had an ESP bass way back when it was $350 new. Very good guitars, I wish I still had it. Enjoy.
macro  [Team Member]
10/30/2011 7:24:48 AM
Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:I have both a JCM2000 TSL & a JVM. The JVM is worlds better than the TSL. Better tone, far more versatility & better controlability.

But, I've been the guy that couldn't afford better gear too. It sucks, but its understandable.

ETA: Damn that sounded arrogant. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.

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Only sounds arrogant to someone that hasnt played both
I screwed around with a JVM a few months ago....probably the most versatile amp I've seen....probably a LOT of bang for the buck for the working musician. These days I just play as a hobby at home....will probably never 'need' a JVM.....but of course, if oneshowed up on the used rack in a few years at a good price, I might have to get one

macro  [Team Member]
10/30/2011 7:28:11 AM
Originally Posted By Cozmacozmy:
Thanks, I would love a JCM800 but cash is tight. In fact a 68 'Plexi would be the ultimate! The 900 has tubes in the preamp (12AX7 ,3 of them) as does the ADA(only 2 though). Not sure what tubes the ADA has as I haven't opened it up yet. My understanding is that the ADA bypass the 900 preamp stage for it's own but with the ADA on it sounds killer tone wise. You have the choice of tube distortion, clean or Solid state distortion. I have seen a 3 tube mod that is out there for the ADA. As well as some other killer mods for it.

Here is a quick clip that I put up of me playing the ADA and a MXR Phase 90 for the first time with out ever playing them before.
Don't hold the poor playing against me I was just trying out the for some tone settings and recorded with my smartphone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4EIyd0pHDs



FWIW, I am listening over a PC with crappy speakers...but I can still tell that there is a LOT going on with your sound Would love to hear that in the room...sounds like you have really dialed in your gear. Pretty damn good tone. Which guitar was that? Pickups? Sounds good OP!
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/30/2011 9:16:24 PM

Originally Posted By macro:
Originally Posted By Cozmacozmy:
Thanks, I would love a JCM800 but cash is tight. In fact a 68 'Plexi would be the ultimate! The 900 has tubes in the preamp (12AX7 ,3 of them) as does the ADA(only 2 though). Not sure what tubes the ADA has as I haven't opened it up yet. My understanding is that the ADA bypass the 900 preamp stage for it's own but with the ADA on it sounds killer tone wise. You have the choice of tube distortion, clean or Solid state distortion. I have seen a 3 tube mod that is out there for the ADA. As well as some other killer mods for it.

Here is a quick clip that I put up of me playing the ADA and a MXR Phase 90 for the first time with out ever playing them before.
Don't hold the poor playing against me I was just trying out the for some tone settings and recorded with my smartphone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4EIyd0pHDs



FWIW, I am listening over a PC with crappy speakers...but I can still tell that there is a LOT going on with your sound Would love to hear that in the room...sounds like you have really dialed in your gear. Pretty damn good tone. Which guitar was that? Pickups? Sounds good OP!

That was with my ESP Kami3, with it's stock Seymor Duncan "Screamin Demon" p/u's, The ADA straight out of the box from Ebay and a brand new MXR Phase 90 that both I have never played before.
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/30/2011 9:32:56 PM
Originally Posted By macro:
Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:I have both a JCM2000 TSL & a JVM. The JVM is worlds better than the TSL. Better tone, far more versatility & better controlability.

But, I've been the guy that couldn't afford better gear too. It sucks, but its understandable.

ETA: Damn that sounded arrogant. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.

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Only sounds arrogant to someone that hasnt played both
I screwed around with a JVM a few months ago....probably the most versatile amp I've seen....probably a LOT of bang for the buck for the working musician. These days I just play as a hobby at home....will probably never 'need' a JVM.....but of course, if oneshowed up on the used rack in a few years at a good price, I might have to get one



I guess I didn't really need it, but when I tried it out it was right after my tax return had showed up. And just like that *poof* my tax return was gone.

It's one of the few things I've blew money on & didn't have buyer's remorse.

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Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 1:30:15 AM
Did some A/B testing on the LTD today and it sounds much better plugged straight into the Marshall without using the ADA MP-1.
The "Strat" type sounds came back from the middle and neck p/u that I thought were missing at first. It maybe that I just haven't found a good clean/blues type adjustment yet on the ADA, but so far was much better sounding on the Marshall.

I'm impressed with this LTD, it has the "hard rock" sound when pushed and cleans up nice with a nice shimmer of an old 60's Strat!
Plus when added a TS9 Tube Screamer, it really woke it up! I didn't care to much when using a DS-1 modded w/Keely ultra+seeing eye mod pedal, but that sounds great as more of a shredder pedal where the TS-9 works more for the Blues type of playing.

I think I'm still going to get a Pearly Gate p/u for the bridge, but will leave the middle and neck alone for now. What I want is a blues Hendrick/SRV sounds out of this. I'll use the ESP for shredding with the ADA. Anyone know of another good humbucker besides the Pearly Gate that will match the single coils and would work good for blues playing?
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 7:57:41 AM
Duncan '59, Alnico II Pro, or anything else that's based on the old PAF.

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g3_ultra  [Member]
11/1/2011 9:18:24 PM
Man, I think those LTDs are the best thing going for the money. I played the ST-203 that doesn't have the FR and I loved it. Also the EC-256 was nice for an LP type guitar.
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
11/1/2011 10:00:57 PM
I just was messing around with the pick up height and it's getting better!
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
1/18/2012 7:03:22 AM
Update in the OP
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
1/18/2012 12:18:44 PM
I've been wanting to get FU blocks for my Floyd equipped guitars too, just haven't gotten around to it. Glad to hear you like it.

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Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
1/18/2012 3:47:31 PM

Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:
I've been wanting to get FU blocks for my Floyd equipped guitars too, just haven't gotten around to it. Glad to hear you like it.

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You wont believe the difference it makes!
YELLOWV  [Team Member]
1/20/2012 12:10:26 AM
Those are really kickass guitars for the money. Good upgrades as well. Also Duncans top winder in the 80's is still the top winder today. Actually she is head of the custom shop now. Maricela Juarez. I have 3 old JB's she wound. They kick ass. One is this pink one. I also have one in neon green.

Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 4:40:22 PM
That's her name, I couldn't remember it. I has called SD years ago and told them the code and markings on the back and they were the ones that told me Maricela Juarez had wound that one.
YELLOWV  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 9:06:06 PM
Usually you can tell by the label on the back. Old Duncans used to have a little sticker with three digits on it. The first two digits were pickup model ie JB, 59', etc. Then the initial of the winder. So an Maricela Juarez wound JB would say JBJ. Not sure how they code the screamin demon though.
Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
2/8/2012 11:38:26 AM
More on the Floydupgrades.com brass blocks. Guitar Player mag has a video on these with a before and after, then another video on installing a brass block.

http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=1437276042001&section=Gear
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
2/8/2012 10:50:20 PM
Originally Posted By Cozmacozmy:
More on the Floydupgrades.com brass blocks. Guitar Player mag has a video on these with a before and after, then another video on installing a brass block.

http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=1437276042001§ion=Gear


It definitely beefed up the tone.

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Cozmacozmy  [Team Member]
2/9/2012 3:17:04 PM
It changed so much on my 2, it's like totally different guitars!