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tac45  [Team Member]
6/11/2011 6:50:20 PM
Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie? Thanks
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tpsh  [Member]
6/11/2011 7:40:50 PM
If you are worried about the heat I would avoid Rottweilers. I have owned several over the last 15yrs and they all hated the summer heat here in CT but loved the winters.

IMO any dog will be protective of the family when raised properly. Be loyal to the dog and it will be loyal to you.
Daisycutter123  [Member]
6/11/2011 7:53:52 PM
Doberman, Boxer or APBT.
ishoot2live  [Team Member]
6/11/2011 7:58:53 PM
GSD.
Firebird69  [Team Member]
6/11/2011 10:31:22 PM
Any other considerations?

Family? Do you have kids?
Lifestyle?
Will you train the dog?
Exercise?
Do you have other pets/dogs?

My Labs have survived living in different states without concern. The way that I have cared for them did change with the moves.
aa777888-2  [Member]
6/12/2011 8:57:12 AM
You are going to have a tough time duplicating Akita temperament in almost any dog save livestock guardian breeds, none of which you are going to want in Florida, either.

As a fellow Akita owner, I'd say go for the GSD. As a fellow Akita owner it's also fair for me to say that if you thought your Akitas were the smartest, wait until you see how smart a GSD is.

I have no idea how any dogs survive in Florida without air conditioning!
mfgreene  [Member]
6/12/2011 8:12:59 PM
gsd = great
IndustrialRescue  [Team Member]
6/13/2011 11:11:20 AM
Boxer FTW.
M-1975  [Team Member]
6/13/2011 12:12:01 PM
Shelter dog! Best pups ever.
ncoday  [Team Member]
6/14/2011 3:50:02 PM

Originally Posted By tac45:
Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie? Thanks

We used to have a giant, or warlock doberman. The big difference is basically as the name implies, they are VERY LARGE.

The one we had could put his front paws on my dad's shoulders and my dad was 6' tall. He was huge, but also a great family dog, very protective of the family. It killed us to send him away to family to live, but we were moving around to often and it just wasn't fair to him to be cooped up in a small apartment all day

I vote for dobermans, that is what my next dog will be.

A nice plus is they shed very little to none. I don't know about rottweilers, but I believe GSDs do a lot of shedding of hair.
Lootie23  [Team Member]
6/14/2011 3:55:12 PM
Blackmouth curs have very light coats with very little shedding. Used for hog hunting and working cattle, usually around 60 - 90 lbs for a male. Fearless and intelligent. VERY protective.

Only downside is they can be very energetic. They need to run alot, so they need a lot of space.
Ryt2own  [Team Member]
6/15/2011 8:56:54 PM
Originally Posted By tpsh:
If you are worried about the heat I would avoid Rottweilers. I have owned several over the last 15yrs and they all hated the summer heat here in CT but loved the winters.

+1
This includes my current Rottie too.
Tremendously loyal, loving, protective and fearless dogs....... with proper breeding and training.

abnk  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:09:01 AM
GSD is usually the answer to most what-dog-to-get threads.

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.

It's also difficult to find good Rottweilers, but good breeders can be found. Due to negative publicity, Rotts have been "watered down" a lot. However, there are good breeders who did not compromise the breed standard. I can recommend a highly accomplished Rottweiler breeder if a Rott is what you end up choosing. They are loyal and fierce protectors, but they also are dominant and need a knowledgeable and strong handler. As a breed, they are not big into barking, but there are always exceptions. I cannot answer how well they would handle the heat.

GSDs do have a longer coat and would probably be happier North of FL, but I think they would do OK. They do fine as MWDs in the Middle East so I'm sure they would be fine in FL as well. The GSD may not be the #1 dog at anything, but is the #2 dog at everything, which makes it the logical choice for many people. Finding good breeders is much easier. Just look at working lines and only consider breeders who have actually accomplished something with their dogs in protection sports such as Schutzhund.

Another breed you might want to consider is a Belgian Malinois. They are GSDs on crack so they will require a lot of your time and attention. Every dog will require that, but Malinois even more so.

My final vote is GSD. Good luck.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:14:26 AM
Originally Posted By M-1975:
Shelter dog! Best pups ever.


Come on. He is asking for serious advice.
graywolf  [Life Member]
6/16/2011 1:20:02 PM
GSD
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 5:38:40 PM

Originally Posted By abnk:

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.



Sigh

Dear God, please make it stop.
DuraToTheMax  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 5:48:43 PM
If you want something to "have your back" buy a security system.

If you want a dog but aren't going to bother with training get a Lab.
DLaw  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 5:51:01 PM
Anatolian Shepherd/Kangal
IbuildedIT  [Member]
6/17/2011 6:28:48 PM
is your main focus protecting you or your property?

pit bulls make great protectors of their owners but usually not so good on guarding property.

GSD are kinda neurotic (malanois even more so) and take some training and time to make them a proper guard dog that won't be aggressive towards friends and family

any working dog is going to be high energy and need lots of attention and running/exercise to keep them from being destructive around the house.

you should do alot more research on the breeds before you get one so you don't bite off more than you can chew and end up with a hell raising uncontrollable 90 lb dog.

eta: cane corsos are great guard dogs...huge and intimdating....but they're definitely not a dog everyone should own. research research research!

DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 6:51:29 PM
A Doberman has your back.

They don't call them the Velcro dogs for nothing.

Alert, smart, loyal and just seeing one will keep people off your property.

Extremely minimal shedding also which is nice.



DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 7:08:32 PM

Originally Posted By tac45:
In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie? Thanks


This is where the thread turns into a huge fight wrought with misinformation.

I predict 3 locks and 2 bans.

There is no such thing as a Warlock Dobe.

There is also no such thing as a Gladiator Dobe. http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/dobermans/79107

People who have bought what the seller called a Warlock, Gladiator, Superior, Gentle Giant or King Dobe will argue till they are blue in the face that I am wrong however.

Back in 1950's, there was a very famous Dobe who won many shows across the country.

His name was Borong The Warlock. The Warlock thing may have come from that. http://www.vomzephirberge.com/Borong%20the%20Warlock.htm

In the 1970's some back yard breeder lady in Texas called her Dobes "Gladiator" and or "Warlock" Dobermans.

As far as we can tell, that's where this "Gladiator" thing may have came from.

These are all marketing names and have no basis in fact.

If someone tells you they have a warlock or Gladiator Dobe, they are probably not actually lying because they probably actually believe that.

The best thing you can do is learn the standard. Here: http://dpca.org/breed/breed_standard.htm

That site will also list a breeder referral. Study the standard, Oversize or Giant Dobermans are entirely Incorrect and should be avoided at all costs. As should the white Doberman.

If you have a fenced yard, can somehow verify to me that you can afford, will take of and be responsible for a Dobe. I will be more than happy to hook you up with a couple of the top breeders in the US. With full health guarantees.


ETA: LOL. This thread was moderately amusing. http://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman-related-chat/24133-gladiator-doberman.html
DDog  [Member]
6/17/2011 8:15:36 PM
Doberdude, you've got some badass Dobies there! The perp would have to be stoned off his ass to climb over that fence . I'm more of a GSD man myself. Nothing at all against the Dobies, just don't have any experience with them (plus they scare me). Here's a pic of my boy 'Kain' the Squirrelminator. He's West German Working Line. Good dog and very protective of my children.

DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 8:27:05 PM

Originally Posted By DDog:
Doberdude, you've got some badass Dobies there! The perp would have to be stoned off his ass to climb over that fence . I'm more of a GSD man myself. Nothing at all against the Dobies, just don't have any experience with them (plus they scare me). Here's a pic of my boy 'Kain' the Squirrelminator. He's West German Working Line. Good dog and very protective of my children.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h388/RazinKain/102_0578.jpg

Beautiful boy you have there. Very nice. I love GSD's also. I went thru a Siberian Husky phase in the 1980's and when my last two girls passed away, I wanted out of the hair shedding thing so I went back to Dobe where I started in the first place.

I thought about a GSD though quite a bit. My dad had two and bred a litter or two. They were great dogs.

As long as you get a good one, I don't think you can go wrong with a GSD or a Dobe. Both fine choices.
azjeeper  [Member]
6/17/2011 9:05:43 PM
Originally Posted By IbuildedIT:
GSD are kinda neurotic (malanois even more so) and take some training and time to make them a proper guard dog that won't be aggressive towards friends and family


Really?!? I don't know where you get your GSD's, but I'd start going elsewhere.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 11:46:03 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.



Sigh

Dear God, please make it stop.


No need to get butthurt. Please enlighten me on how many Dobermans are shining at Schutzhund, KNVP, Ringsport, PSD, or MWD. The breed has degraded and it's unfortunate.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 1:20:48 AM

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.



Sigh

Dear God, please make it stop.


No need to get butthurt. Please enlighten me on how many Dobermans are shining at Schutzhund, KNVP, Ringsport, PSD, or MWD. The breed has degraded and it's unfortunate.

Enlighten yourself. You probably have never even owned a Doberman but I'm sure you are an expert on them.

I've got better things to do.

Have a nice day.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 10:32:36 AM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.



Sigh

Dear God, please make it stop.


No need to get butthurt. Please enlighten me on how many Dobermans are shining at Schutzhund, KNVP, Ringsport, PSD, or MWD. The breed has degraded and it's unfortunate.

Enlighten yourself. You probably have never even owned a Doberman but I'm sure you are an expert on them.

I've got better things to do.

Have a nice day.


That's what I thought. I can name numerous GSD, Malinois, Rottweilers, and even a Boerboel who excelled in what I mentioned above, but not a Doberman. I have never owned a Doberman; I would not waste my time with one. I am not an expert on them. I have, however, spent thousands of hours reading, training, and learning about working dogs and have been privileged to learn from PSD and MWD trainers, national champions, and international competitors. I know enough that Dobermans are not what they used to be. The ones I've seen were either nervebags or as flat on drive as a one week open Pepsi. I'm sure there are exceptions, but finding that exception is not worth anyone's time unless they just love the breed. As I said before, it's unfortunate, but true.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 3:24:43 PM

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By abnk:

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.



Sigh

Dear God, please make it stop.


No need to get butthurt. Please enlighten me on how many Dobermans are shining at Schutzhund, KNVP, Ringsport, PSD, or MWD. The breed has degraded and it's unfortunate.

Enlighten yourself. You probably have never even owned a Doberman but I'm sure you are an expert on them.

I've got better things to do.

Have a nice day.
I have, however, spent thousands of hours reading, training, and learning about working dogs and have been privileged to learn from PSD and MWD trainers, national champions, and international competitors

I have never owned a Doberman; ...................I am not an expert on them.

'nuff said there.

Did the OP ask for a dog that he can spend thousands of dollars on and thousands of hours training?

NO, he didn't. He asked for dog that would be his companion, offer a fair level of watch dog qualities and loyalty and not suffer in hot weather.


Here's the OP:
( He specifically asks about, GSD's, Dobies, and rotts. He even goes on to ask more specifics on the dobe. He doesn't ask about Schutzhund or bite training/attack training.)

"Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie?
Thanks


A well bred Doberman possesses everything he is asking for. Loyalty arguably second to none, protective and extremely intelligent and short coated for minimal discomfort in warm weather. A well bred GSD is on par with these requirements also but with a heavier coat. The op asked for a protective, loyal pet, not a police K9.

The modern Doberman is actually better now as a loyal family companion and guardian with ZERO training in protection than at any time in history. But you wouldn't know that would ya, you have never owned one.

Please log off and call NASA to give consultation on the next generation of space shuttles. I'm sure you know all about that also.

aa777888-2  [Member]
6/18/2011 6:12:42 PM
With all due respect to many outstanding Dobie's and their owners, the OP was also wishing to approximate the qualities of his Akita. As a fellow Akita owner who has trained alongside some fairly serious Dobie's and GSD's and their owners, I would submit that the Dobie, in general (there are always exceptions, of course), is substantially less like an Akita than a GSD. The GSD, too, is, very much different, but not to the same extent as a Dobie.

For instance, I can put my Akita out on my unfenced, relatively rural, 5 acres (surrounded by some 15 acres of woods) and expect her to guard the yard all day, not chase any critters too far, and always return home as soon as the offending mammalian life form is driven off. I've actually got a GPS dog tracker and have some extensive data that confirms this behavior. This is not something I would expect out of a Doberman, maybe out of the right GSD. The energy level and drive of a Dobie is also going to be quite a bit more exciting than an Akita, most of whom are pretty sedate except when faced with actual prey or an actual threat.

The OP did not cover the environment he expects his dog to operate in, other than it is in Florida. I may be making some poor assumptions associated with his Akita ownership, a dog that, to use a turn of phrase that I really found quite descriptive in the recent Pyrenees thread, is certainly not a "suburbs dog". If he is going to be putting his new dog in a fenced in yard and not expect it to have to make too many independent decisions than a Dobie may be a perfectly reasonable choice.

it might be helpful if the OP would chime in and provide a few more details on the environment he is going to want the dog to operate in.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 6:26:27 PM

Originally Posted By aa777888-2:

For instance, I can put my Akita out on my unfenced, relatively rural, 5 acres (surrounded by some 15 acres of woods) and expect her to guard the yard all day, not chase any critters too far, and always return home as soon as the offending mammalian life form is driven off. I've actually got a GPS dog tracker and have some extensive data that confirms this behavior. This is not something I would expect out of a Doberman, maybe out of the right GSD.
This is where the loyalty of the Doberman excells. Returning home is not an issue with the Doberman. Their natural love of home and hearth keeps them in the "Pack" territory from the get go.

Unlike many breeds, the Dobe, in general, tends to stick to it's owners side and property as opposed to roaming the neighborhood or surrounding areas.

I also live on acreage, rurally. If I lose sight of my Dobes, chances are they are looking for me every bit as much as I am looking for them.

I would also like to point out that ALL information espoused by anyone concerning a certain breed cannot be more than General in nature. It can be "Generally" accurate but every breed has dogs of individual personalities, behaviors and traits.

With all due respect to anyone and their preferred breed, to make a comment that the Doberman is a poor decision maker, has been ruined, and are all inferior now, is ignorance of the highest magnitude.

Most importantly, regardless of breed, love your dog, give it the best life possible and the rewards will most likely be returned tenfold.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 8:58:04 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
'nuff said there.

Did the OP ask for a dog that he can spend thousands of dollars on and thousands of hours training?

NO, he didn't. He asked for dog that would be his companion, offer a fair level of watch dog qualities and loyalty and not suffer in hot weather.


Here's the OP:
( He specifically asks about, GSD's, Dobies, and rotts. He even goes on to ask more specifics on the dobe. He doesn't ask about Schutzhund or bite training/attack training.)

"Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie?
Thanks


A well bred Doberman possesses everything he is asking for. Loyalty arguably second to none, protective and extremely intelligent and short coated for minimal discomfort in warm weather. A well bred GSD is on par with these requirements also but with a heavier coat. The op asked for a protective, loyal pet, not a police K9.

The modern Doberman is actually better now as a loyal family companion and guardian with ZERO training in protection than at any time in history. But you wouldn't know that would ya, you have never owned one.

Please log off and call NASA to give consultation on the next generation of space shuttles. I'm sure you know all about that also.



I never owned a Yugo and I'm not an Yugo expert either, but I know enough to not spend my money on one.

You're bringing too much emotion to this argument. I don't expect to change your mind and never intended to. Just wanted to point out that of the choices listed, the GSD and Rottweiler possess stronger work abilities than a Doberman. The ability to handle the FL heat might be the exception. By the way, the OP has had other threads here asking for similar advice and it sounds like he wants a bit more than just a pet. I mentioned the sports and vocations above to show that the Doberman is not excelling in serious work, while GSDs and Rotts are. If the Doberman was so much better than the other two choices with zero training, those who use dogs for serious work or sports would be all over the breed.

I think I have made my point. Who wants to see the truth will.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 9:02:55 PM
What I find funny is that we're arguing here, but the OP never bothered to check back in. He did the same in his other thread.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 9:08:18 PM

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
'nuff said there.

Did the OP ask for a dog that he can spend thousands of dollars on and thousands of hours training?

NO, he didn't. He asked for dog that would be his companion, offer a fair level of watch dog qualities and loyalty and not suffer in hot weather.


Here's the OP:
( He specifically asks about, GSD's, Dobies, and rotts. He even goes on to ask more specifics on the dobe. He doesn't ask about Schutzhund or bite training/attack training.)

"Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie?
Thanks


A well bred Doberman possesses everything he is asking for. Loyalty arguably second to none, protective and extremely intelligent and short coated for minimal discomfort in warm weather. A well bred GSD is on par with these requirements also but with a heavier coat. The op asked for a protective, loyal pet, not a police K9.

The modern Doberman is actually better now as a loyal family companion and guardian with ZERO training in protection than at any time in history. But you wouldn't know that would ya, you have never owned one.

Please log off and call NASA to give consultation on the next generation of space shuttles. I'm sure you know all about that also.



I never owned a Yugo and I'm not an Yugo expert either, but I know enough to not spend my money on one.

You're bringing too much emotion to this argument. I don't expect to change your mind and never intended to. Just wanted to point out that of the choices listed, the GSD and Rottweiler possess stronger work abilities than a Doberman. The ability to handle the FL heat might be the exception. By the way, the OP has had other threads here asking for similar advice and it sounds like he wants a bit more than just a pet. I mentioned the sports and vocations above to show that the Doberman is not excelling in serious work, while GSDs and Rotts are. If the Doberman was so much better than the other two choices with zero training, those who use dogs for serious work or sports would be all over the breed.

I think I have made my point. Who wants to see the truth will.

I see the truth.

I own Dobermans and love the breed.

You have never owned a Doberman yet find them inferior.

Let's just agree to disagree.

One more time for the record, regardless of breed, love the dog, care for the dog, and hopefully you and the dog will both be happy.

You are only guaranteed sorrow in life. A loving bond with a pet is a bonus. Cherish it.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 9:09:38 PM

Originally Posted By abnk:
What I find funny is that we're arguing here, but the OP never bothered to check back in. He did the same in his other thread.

I noiticed that too.

And for the record, at least we agree on Yugo's.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 9:24:18 PM
Fair enough. For the record, I did not mean to insult you or your favorite breed. Your dogs are beautiful animals and give an impression that it would not be wise to jump your fence.
CNZ302  [Member]
6/21/2011 7:42:48 PM
Originally Posted By tac45:
Looking for a good protective dog to have my back basically. I've grown up with Akitas and have thought these were the most protective, loyal and smartest dogs my family ever owned. Unfortunately I now live in FL, and the draw back to the Akita is it's thick coat. I'd feel horrible owning one in the FL weather.

So I'm hoping to find another breed with those traits minus the heavy coat. Can you guys give me some insite into these 3 breeds? In addition, what is a warlock dobie? What is the difference between a regular dobie? Thanks


No such thing as a "Warlock" or "King" Doberman. It is a marketing scheme saying they are of European lines or something like that. All dobermans are dobermans and are a medium sized dog. Be careful of anyone saying Warlock or King Doberman as they probably don't know exactly what they are doing. Check the DPCA for a good start.

Good ethical breeders will be completely open and do all of the health testing to the parents and will show you proof. This goes for any breed. Don't just search for price, this will be a life companion.
BoovarBjarki  [Member]
6/23/2011 12:45:36 AM
OP, everything you are looking for in a dog and made for that Florida heat. Research "Argentine Dogo"
DJinGA  [Team Member]
6/23/2011 1:07:26 AM
For a family/home protection pet, does gender matter a lot or a little? Assume little-to-no formal training - default instinctive behavior.
abnk  [Team Member]
6/23/2011 6:20:36 AM
Originally Posted By DJinGA:
For a family/home protection pet, does gender matter a lot or a little? Assume little-to-no formal training - default instinctive behavior.


It should not matter much. However, as a general rule, dogs are more territorial than bitches. I have read that bitches are more pack-protective than dogs, but I have not observed this myself or I have not been able to discern their protective insticts being driven by fear that the pack might be harmed. Either way, I don't think it matters much whether their motivation for protection comes from territory or pack.

I prefer dogs. They are more imposing and the strong ones tend to be very dominant, which makes them even more protective of their territory. However, sex would not be my first consideration in choosing a pup.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
6/23/2011 3:09:17 PM

Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By DJinGA:
For a family/home protection pet, does gender matter a lot or a little? Assume little-to-no formal training - default instinctive behavior.


It should not matter much. However, as a general rule, dogs are more territorial than bitches. I have read that bitches are more pack-protective than dogs, but I have not observed this myself or I have not been able to discern their protective insticts being driven by fear that the pack might be harmed. Either way, I don't think it matters much whether their motivation for protection comes from territory or pack.

I prefer dogs. They are more imposing and the strong ones tend to be very dominant, which makes them even more protective of their territory. However, sex would not be my first consideration in choosing a pup.

Now we are agreeing again. Knock that stuff off.

I have 3 dogs. If I only had one, it would be a male.

Bigger, stronger, territorial, more stable. YMMV
sotexgunner  [Member]
6/23/2011 9:39:43 PM


FTW!!!!
Just1MoreBlackRifle  [Team Member]
6/24/2011 6:59:52 PM
I'm voting for GSD.... even though the OP doesn't seem to be around.

I openly admit I'm very biased. All around great breed. Grew up around them and never failed to be impressed by the traits of the BREED. As stated earlier... there are always "good" and "bad" individuals. My first was a retired guide/service dog. Currently on my second.

I had a neighbor and a friend who had Dobermans that I spent a lot of time around. Both were awesome. Smart and very protective. The neighbors dog I did find high strung.... a bit "nervous" unil she figured you out. Others I've dealt with have been good all around animals.

I hate to say this.... and while I've only encountered a few.... I don't find Rotties to be especially smart. May have been bad examples of the breed. Big, strong, protective SOB's - just wasn't impressed when it came to the brains department.
FJ_Wheeler  [Team Member]
7/1/2011 3:09:57 PM
Originally Posted By abnk:
GSD is usually the answer to most what-dog-to-get threads.

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.

It's also difficult to find good Rottweilers, but good breeders can be found. Due to negative publicity, Rotts have been "watered down" a lot. However, there are good breeders who did not compromise the breed standard. I can recommend a highly accomplished Rottweiler breeder if a Rott is what you end up choosing. They are loyal and fierce protectors, but they also are dominant and need a knowledgeable and strong handler. As a breed, they are not big into barking, but there are always exceptions. I cannot answer how well they would handle the heat.

GSDs do have a longer coat and would probably be happier North of FL, but I think they would do OK. They do fine as MWDs in the Middle East so I'm sure they would be fine in FL as well. The GSD may not be the #1 dog at anything, but is the #2 dog at everything, which makes it the logical choice for many people. Finding good breeders is much easier. Just look at working lines and only consider breeders who have actually accomplished something with their dogs in protection sports such as Schutzhund.

Another breed you might want to consider is a Belgian Malinois. They are GSDs on crack so they will require a lot of your time and attention. Every dog will require that, but Malinois even more so.

My final vote is GSD. Good luck.


Meh my Doberman, which I paid 250$ for,pure bred 3 years old. Best dog I have ever owned. Super chill and yet I don't worry about anyone coming into the house. He is great in public with people weighs a good healthy 85lbs and I wouldn't trade him for anything.
abnk  [Team Member]
7/1/2011 4:31:11 PM
Originally Posted By FJ_Wheeler:
Originally Posted By abnk:
GSD is usually the answer to most what-dog-to-get threads.

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find good Dobermans anymore. Both health and temperament have deteriorated. For that alone, I would say skip Dobermans.

It's also difficult to find good Rottweilers, but good breeders can be found. Due to negative publicity, Rotts have been "watered down" a lot. However, there are good breeders who did not compromise the breed standard. I can recommend a highly accomplished Rottweiler breeder if a Rott is what you end up choosing. They are loyal and fierce protectors, but they also are dominant and need a knowledgeable and strong handler. As a breed, they are not big into barking, but there are always exceptions. I cannot answer how well they would handle the heat.

GSDs do have a longer coat and would probably be happier North of FL, but I think they would do OK. They do fine as MWDs in the Middle East so I'm sure they would be fine in FL as well. The GSD may not be the #1 dog at anything, but is the #2 dog at everything, which makes it the logical choice for many people. Finding good breeders is much easier. Just look at working lines and only consider breeders who have actually accomplished something with their dogs in protection sports such as Schutzhund.

Another breed you might want to consider is a Belgian Malinois. They are GSDs on crack so they will require a lot of your time and attention. Every dog will require that, but Malinois even more so.

My final vote is GSD. Good luck.


Meh my Doberman, which I paid 250$ for,pure bred 3 years old. Best dog I have ever owned. Super chill and yet I don't worry about anyone coming into the house. He is great in public with people weighs a good healthy 85lbs and I wouldn't trade him for anything.


Glad you're happy with your choice.
dread-pirate  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 7:55:05 PM
Originally Posted By Just1MoreBlackRifle:
I'm voting for GSD.... even though the OP doesn't seem to be around.

I openly admit I'm very biased. All around great breed. Grew up around them and never failed to be impressed by the traits of the BREED. As stated earlier... there are always "good" and "bad" individuals. My first was a retired guide/service dog. Currently on my second.

I had a neighbor and a friend who had Dobermans that I spent a lot of time around. Both were awesome. Smart and very protective. The neighbors dog I did find high strung.... a bit "nervous" unil she figured you out. Others I've dealt with have been good all around animals.

I hate to say this.... and while I've only encountered a few.... I don't find Rotties to be especially smart. May have been bad examples of the breed. Big, strong, protective SOB's - just wasn't impressed when it came to the brains department.


I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.
abnk  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 6:38:28 AM
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.


Make sure you don't run with your dog as a pup. It could be detrimental to her joints. After 18 months, you should be OK.
KimberTLE45  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 7:11:34 AM
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.


Make sure you don't run with your dog as a pup. It could be detrimental to her joints. After 18 months, you should be OK.


Does this go far all breeds or just GSD's? I was totally unaware of this.
abnk  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 8:13:04 AM
Originally Posted By KimberTLE45:
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.


Make sure you don't run with your dog as a pup. It could be detrimental to her joints. After 18 months, you should be OK.


Does this go far all breeds or just GSD's? I was totally unaware of this.


All breeds. Same as you don't expect your children to carry out physical adult tasks.

Do some research of your own on this. PedigreeDatabase and WorkingDogForum are two good sources.
KimberTLE45  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 9:09:19 AM
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By KimberTLE45:
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.


Make sure you don't run with your dog as a pup. It could be detrimental to her joints. After 18 months, you should be OK.


Does this go far all breeds or just GSD's? I was totally unaware of this.


All breeds. Same as you don't expect your children to carry out physical adult tasks.

Do some research of your own on this. PedigreeDatabase and WorkingDogForum are two good sources.


Good to know - I'll do that. Thanks for the information!

dread-pirate  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 1:34:29 PM
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By KimberTLE45:
Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I may be bringing this thread back from the dead, but I had to chime in on Rotties. I had one and a buddy did as well. Both were extremely smart. Could not run for shit though. Tried taking mine for a jog, after 2 blocks the dog was done! lol Not one you want to bring running with you. Same protective qualities as gsd and dobbies, just slow.

My next dog is going to be a GSD. Always wanted one, I kind of prefer rotties, but like the gsd's just fine. But the kids want a GSD. Too much I am Legend I guess I pick her up next week. My wife also wants a dog to jog with, so that kind of rules out rotties for us.


Make sure you don't run with your dog as a pup. It could be detrimental to her joints. After 18 months, you should be OK.


Does this go far all breeds or just GSD's? I was totally unaware of this.


All breeds. Same as you don't expect your children to carry out physical adult tasks.

Do some research of your own on this. PedigreeDatabase and WorkingDogForum are two good sources.


I would have thought it was common sense Pups are to small. Even at 6 months they aren't fully grown. Just don't expect a rottie to ever be a runner .
KegHead  [Member]
9/5/2011 2:39:12 PM
Doberman. I sleep very well at night.

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