The Walking Dead, Shane's decision: hard but necessary choice or total d-bag move?WARNING SPOILERS

Assuming you've seen the "Save the Last One" episode of The Walking Dead, where do you personally come down on Shane's decision to kill Otis?Sure it's only a TV show,but what would you do in their place?
Arguing for Shane's decision:Otis was fat and a potential physical liability,they wouldn't have been there in the first place if Otis hadn't accidentallty shot Carl,Shane had more skills to offer the group if only one of them made it,if one died then two would potentially live.
In Otis's defense:it's pretty much flat out murder,Otis has valuable skills and knowledge(EMT training),Otis has a family, and it's fucking murder.
Putting myself in Shane's position, I can see why he could do it and justify it as a hard but necessary choice, but the problem with thinking like this is for certain people it's too easy to justify anything.Andrea feeling suicidal, sure could use that sleeping bag...Dale's pretty old, he can't take that RV with him.....T-Dog's name is T-Dog...too much end justifies the means could leave you in a moral vacuum.That being said, tactically it was a good decision but it was still presented, IMHO, as murder and not a decision they had come to prior to the mission.In any SHTF/Z-Day scenario there is the possibility of having to make those choices that are in a gray area morally, but at what point do you draw the line personally?
I'll say it again,I know it's only TV, but this one had me thinking back to some of my hard choices.
EDIT:My apologies to those who saw the original title and had the ending revealed.I assumed anyone reading this thread in a zombie forum would have seen the episode.Damn good thing I didn't bet money on it.

I would change title to not spoil anything.

He should have at least shot him in the face so he wouldn't suffer. They would have still slowed down to eat him.

D-bag move.

Yeah gee thanks I have it DVR'd to watch tomorrow...

Shane's an asshole, he dies in like the second issue of the comic book. My damned wife got me hooked on the "graphic novel" and now the show just aint the same. Issues 1-90 are available in CBR format.

Thanks very much OP.

+1

Its the harsh reality of what life will be like come z-day.

Everyone talks about banding together and joining others on there quest to scavenge and stay alive, but what makes you think for 1 second someone wouldnt chose there life or the life of a loved one over yours.

Call it a dick move, but it it comes down to 2 things... Live or die. Everyone of us would chose to live over die im sure.

D-bag move. Just makes me hate his character even more.

Dirtbag move. Never leave a man behind!

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Otis saved his life going for the unknown locker room. Then rescued him at the fence, when he could have gotten away. Not to mention the fact he volunteered for the suicide mission in the first place. Shane betrayed him to a horrible death. IMHO probably the most horrific emotional crime I have ever seen on TV

Well done AMC

I agree, after seeing that scene I was a little "disturbed" in my thought process and couldn't stop rolling this event around in my head for at least a day afterwards. Seeing this thread it appears many of you are the same way. For me It was sort of a holy shit when things get that bad, it's going to get "that bad". If I was Shane and had a rabid horde on my ass and fatty who sort of put me in that situation was right there, who knows I might have done the same thing to save myself inorder to get back to my family.

I probably would have attacked the whole situation differently from the beginning like getting one of those MIL vehicles fired up and mow down the walkers but that's just me.

Need more ammo.........

Not to mention, after the leg injury Shane suffered from the bad landing after Shane jumped/fell, Otis was probably MORE able to make it back to Carl. with the life saving supplies Otis dragged him half way there. Shane is a dick, just a matter of time before he betrays them all, one by one to save his own sorry ass. He hasnt realized yet that some things are worse than dying.

I agree-Well done AMC.

I was wondering if it bothered anyone else as much as it did me.Made me think of times I'd been screwed over, mostly over petty crap.And with the way things are going in the world now I can't imagine people are going to treat others any differently.Trust is going to be the most valuable commodity going if (when?) things go completely to hell.

Shane was a cowardly Douchebag in the comic and came to an early end. The TV folks are just extending his douchebagedness longer for the sake of drama and some action. I'm sure he'll meet an agonizing death and preferably in the jaws of Otis. We'll have to deal with him for a while longer though.

+1

That sure would be awesome if Zombie Otis ate Shane. of course what happens in the comic is pretty good too.

SOS

Douche bag move for all the reasons stated

Aside from the the TV aspect in this scenario, someone like shane in a survival group is not helpful for the long run. Unpredictable people can put the rest of the group at risk. "Vote him off the island."

At that point in the escape it was either one of them die or they both die, which in turn means the kid dies.Shane fucked over his friend by sleeping with his wife, no way he is going to let the kid die. Otis and he were gimped, the horde was on them, and the ammo was gone. Given those facts, and the fact that Otis shot the kid, and Otis' death was a foregone conclusion if you follow the standard fiction flowchart.

I agree Shane should have given him a quick death, but do we know if zombies would have feed on a fresh kill in the WD universe, or would they have bypassed Otis' corpse for the still-live Shane?

I'm surprised they didn't have a baseball bat, or some other type of club with them. Fail on both their parts.

Still a complete douche bag move to wound another when they've saved your sorry ass.

I despise Shane. I wish he had already been dealt with by a "tiny" yet swift hand of justice. Sadly that hasn't happened. The events that took place will come out one way or another. I think (hope) that they are setting up Shane's demise.

And this is why you should choose your Z day crew carefully

SShhhhh

I agree... it was a douchebag move on Shane's part. Otis was only trying to make it right for shooting Carl. And for him to die like he did really sucked due his EMT training he could or would have been extremely helpful to the group

Yep, this thread will also show which arfcommers the fatties should avoid.

Most of them fatties will have been on a diet since the outbreak, the only fatties left will be the fat zeds.

What happened to Shane in the comics??

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As the character was supposed to have been an LEO, sheriff's deputy, and he shot the guy in the leg instead of in the head, it was a Douche Bag move. However, the character makes a lot of D'Bag moves.

There are a lot of stupidity in the series that I am asking myself WTF all the time. They should have driven the vehicle all the way up to the doors and jumped out the back. No need to run all they way they did. Close the door to the building and then get out THE OTHER DOOR RIGHT INTO THE TRUCK!!! (mumbling...walking around barefoot and no clothing.....grumble...doesn't even think to pick up a firearm after walking past military dead at the checkpoint...no one checks for keys in the ignition in parked vehicles....)

I just can't get all that worked up about it. Sure dick head move. He was willing to be the bait 5 minutes before; which everyone overlooks, so he probably thought they just couldn't get away.

There is too much tactical stupidity that I just can't care very much. If one tactic works use it. Get in a car, honk the horn and lead the zeds away. Have Ottis go shopping then beat the zombies back pickup Ottis' fat ass and get to the farm, but no I'm going to trow some flares 15 feet away, that should work .

Oh I bet you are way wrong. Everybody hates his ass now. They will keep him alive to keep people who want to him die a nasty death watching. You wait and see he'll be around for a good long time. Personally I would like to see him get ate. BUT you know Otis has to stumble back into camp and fill everyone in on what happened before he turns. Just one mans opinion.

Said to my wife as they threw the flares... A cop would know those don't last long. Stupid.

This just reinforces a theme the show has been pushing... It's not the Zeds you have to watch out for.

Fatties need Crye Precision to come out with tactical pants that accept knee plates.

D-bag move. Bad plan from the beginning, middle, and the end...

They have survived for awhile now, yet they still act like complete survival rookies.

Sure, a stranger or yourself decision you most likely are going to decide saving yourself. But I don't think they we at that point, if anything Shane should have sacrificed himself for coming up with such a stupid plan!

I think to put more emphasis on it, everyone would choose to live over being eatin alive by a mob of undead cannibals. Dying is one thing, dying a horribly gruesome death is another.

You can call shane all kinds of names, but when TEOTWAWKI occurs especially a ZPAW, you can damn well bet that people like shane are the hardcore survivors that are going to live and repopulate our species. Rick is the noble hero type that get everyone killed for moral grandstanding. Sorry but you can bet that in a ZPAW that the moral compass of survivors will be drastically different then what it is today. It will be less like "jericho" and more like "The road".

Also shane just got to the hardcore emotional state sooner then the rest of them.



Which begs the question, wtf was otis eating to keep him THAT fat THAT long after the outbreak? Guy must have been eating 10-15k calories a day to keep that weight. I wonder how much of that deer carcass would actually have made it back to the house
Maybe shane did the rest of the group a favor by getting rid of the slow calorie hoarder.


Btw- anyone see "talking dead" when they had Brian posehn on there? He was constantly slipping in very obvious hints to Robert Kirkman that he wants to be on the show. I would love to see a zombified Posehn gnawing into one of the main characters.

Shane volunteers for every mission that is deemed a suicide mission.

the guy above posting about them taking a vehicle is what i was thinking, they could have made so many decisions that would have lead to a safer situation for both of them. Why not take a vehicle and plow down a crowd of them, not waste a bullet. thats just one option a leo would have been much more successful in the situation than the show portrays.

i keep wondering if the zombies will starve like on 28 days later, the one hanging from the tree should be dead over time, and why dont the zombies eat the bodies in the cars

for people going to a zombie infested school why not take more ammo, why take a bolt action rifle? im sure the small town in ga enough guns and ammo to deal with the population of walkers at the school,

also others have mentioned the guys weight to, i think it would be near dam impossible for him to maintain that size and live in the world portrayed on the show, does his wife go out and hunt and find supplies while he sits down, im sure food would be in short supple at times

He's got wild, untrusting eyes. Seems very secretive. As we know why. Any time your best bud was doing your wife... etc....
No to add extra crap to this thread seems like they are making alot of mistakes. Like no common sense.
I know, not a real show, but come on. Somebody has to have at least one brain cell amongst em.
And to shoot one of the good guys jsut to get away. Didn't look like they were that far gone yet. Should not have been in that situation anyway.
Not talking about Otis shooting the boy. But you got zoms all around and you make a stupid deversion and no escape plan.
Cone on. An ditto on the extra ammo. And what about all those m4's left laying around.
Just crazy that the writers are not giving more brains to the players in the show.

I thought cops were just supposed to shoot people in the leg or something......

There is only one person with common sense on the show and I've grown to like the character, I doubt he would have shot Otis in the leg just to leave him for bait.

great character development on shane,their showing him for the giant self serving douche that he is.
they should have had a better plan,shane stays in the truck draws zed away,otis sneaks in and grabs the goods,shane comes back to get him.but it played out as it did because shane is a douche and it needed to be emphasized

good episode!!

So let's start the list of Shane's incompetence:

1. Have sex with his best friend's wife.
2. Shot and left a friend to die who was trying to help save a kid.
3. Treated said shot kid like a total ass.

I hope Shane gets killed with the crossbow.

In 28 days later, the "zombies" were never dead. They were living people who were just really, really pissed off. They had to eat. Zombies that have already died have no need for sustenance.

Shane still thinks that Carl and Lori are his. You can tell he fights back his desire to kill Rick for jealous reasons. This really is the only show on cable I watch. These character developments are why.

This episode really highlighted the danger of trusting strangers and the tremendous liability of teaming up with fat survivalists.

D-bag. And Shane's dark side is coming out

Nothing beats live bait.

+1

I could see Shane killing him, or getting him killed. And that could put the little hand of justice into play.

Why kill him all because he was fat? Otis was self reliant, a hunter, and was attempting to provide food for his family.

This was the worst part for me. As soon as Otis volunteered I told my wife "he'll get eaten", but then the way they dragged out the chase through the school, all those scenes where it looked for certain that he would get killed but somehow kept going even after busting a leg, I thought he was going to make it out after all, it made the betrayal that much worse.

As for the move, total d-bag doesn't even begin to describe it. Undead apocalyptic world or no, murdered Otis in cold blood and, he did it in the most horrific way possible.

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