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4/4/2012 7:56:11 AM
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
4/4/2012 12:38:25 PM
I have some of my comments in RED For the most part, I agree with you. Just want to ad some commentary.
All in all, pretty good plan. I agree with you on most parts. I added a couple of my personal thoughts in areas as well. Feel free to address with your rebuttal or acknowledgement. None of my remarks are intended to piss on your plan, I personally think it is a pretty good plan, just added a little extra that may have been overlooked. Cheers
Originally Posted By Zombie_Lord66641:
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie. Agreed
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes they are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
I am with you 100%. I would take 17+1 over 6 any day. The day a Glock fails me is the day God wants me to die. Until that day, a Glock will more than suffice for this purpose. Also, 9mm is possibly the most common pistol caliber and would be easier to find when scrounging for supplies when you head into town.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hoard or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people and they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. Agreed. It has the reliability, accuracy, capacity, and range necessary for most situations. Also the fact that you might find more ammo and parts is another benefit.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. An ice pick or screwdriver especially also have the ability to get stuck. I would not recommend this. A better melee weapon would be a blunt object capable of crushing the skull without the possibility of getting stuck. You also don't want it too heavy and you don't want it to bread. Ideal would be an aluminum baseball bat or a polymer variant like the Cold Steel Brooklyn Smasher/Crusher. Lighter than most bats, light enough to carry, very strong (in the torture test they backed a tow truck over it against a curb and didn't break it) and it will certainly crush a Zed head. The fact that it is lighter material also means you could swing it faster and exert less energy in doing so. Things like Maces and flails are terrible choices for Melee.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo. I think you are overlooking a big thing here. Other people. When the SHTF, people are going to be looking out for themselves. Society is gone. This mean that you can't trust people anymore. You have a nice rifle and ammo, maybe a little food. What is going to stop others (think similar to raiders from fallout) from shooting you and taking your stuff? A vest would do nicely to ensure that while you are on the lookout for Zed's, some thief isn't going to shoot you in the back and take your rifle. The best situation for Zed's is to avoid them completely. I will get into this after your last paragraph.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. If the group is small enough you should consider a shotgun as a primary instead of a rifle. Extremely reliable, easy to aim, and by far the most prolific firearm round on the planet. Guaranteed that as you are scavenging for goods in stores or houses, you are more likely to find 12guage than any other round on the planet.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me. I personally think the idea of hunting Zombies is a bad idea. Not only are you bound to run out of ammo that way, but you are also putting yourself in danger. They have super sensitive hearing, meaning you take on out, others from far away that you can't even see are going to close on your location. You could be overrun before you even know it. IMO, the best thing to do is avoid them like the plague. Take them out when you have to. If you can avoid them without them seeing or hearing you, they are not your problem. save your ammo for the ones that do become your problem. I would only go into town to get supplies and i would be as sneaky as possible. Sneak in, sneak out with the goods. If I was able to go into town, get supplies, and get back to my hideout/fort/castle/manor/whatever you live in, without firing a shot and attracting attention to myself, that is a successful mission in my books. If you have a suppressed weapon, I still wouldn't waste the ammo, the only place I would go hunting for Zeds is around my hideout/primary location to make sure none got close enough to randomly come across my fort and attack me in my sleep or something. This is why I laugh at people who claim they would use a 50 cal sniper rifle in the Zombie apocalypse. Besides the obvious weight and ammo rarity problem, what is the point? Why would you want to shoot a zombie at 1500 yards? At that range, it can't see or hear you, why would you risk your location and potentially bring a shit storm on yourself? My theory is, if they are outside of 300 meters and not closing on me, let them go. They don't see me, no need to attract attention.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie. Agreed
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes they are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
I am with you 100%. I would take 17+1 over 6 any day. The day a Glock fails me is the day God wants me to die. Until that day, a Glock will more than suffice for this purpose. Also, 9mm is possibly the most common pistol caliber and would be easier to find when scrounging for supplies when you head into town.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hoard or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people and they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. Agreed. It has the reliability, accuracy, capacity, and range necessary for most situations. Also the fact that you might find more ammo and parts is another benefit.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. An ice pick or screwdriver especially also have the ability to get stuck. I would not recommend this. A better melee weapon would be a blunt object capable of crushing the skull without the possibility of getting stuck. You also don't want it too heavy and you don't want it to bread. Ideal would be an aluminum baseball bat or a polymer variant like the Cold Steel Brooklyn Smasher/Crusher. Lighter than most bats, light enough to carry, very strong (in the torture test they backed a tow truck over it against a curb and didn't break it) and it will certainly crush a Zed head. The fact that it is lighter material also means you could swing it faster and exert less energy in doing so. Things like Maces and flails are terrible choices for Melee.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo. I think you are overlooking a big thing here. Other people. When the SHTF, people are going to be looking out for themselves. Society is gone. This mean that you can't trust people anymore. You have a nice rifle and ammo, maybe a little food. What is going to stop others (think similar to raiders from fallout) from shooting you and taking your stuff? A vest would do nicely to ensure that while you are on the lookout for Zed's, some thief isn't going to shoot you in the back and take your rifle. The best situation for Zed's is to avoid them completely. I will get into this after your last paragraph.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. If the group is small enough you should consider a shotgun as a primary instead of a rifle. Extremely reliable, easy to aim, and by far the most prolific firearm round on the planet. Guaranteed that as you are scavenging for goods in stores or houses, you are more likely to find 12guage than any other round on the planet.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me. I personally think the idea of hunting Zombies is a bad idea. Not only are you bound to run out of ammo that way, but you are also putting yourself in danger. They have super sensitive hearing, meaning you take on out, others from far away that you can't even see are going to close on your location. You could be overrun before you even know it. IMO, the best thing to do is avoid them like the plague. Take them out when you have to. If you can avoid them without them seeing or hearing you, they are not your problem. save your ammo for the ones that do become your problem. I would only go into town to get supplies and i would be as sneaky as possible. Sneak in, sneak out with the goods. If I was able to go into town, get supplies, and get back to my hideout/fort/castle/manor/whatever you live in, without firing a shot and attracting attention to myself, that is a successful mission in my books. If you have a suppressed weapon, I still wouldn't waste the ammo, the only place I would go hunting for Zeds is around my hideout/primary location to make sure none got close enough to randomly come across my fort and attack me in my sleep or something. This is why I laugh at people who claim they would use a 50 cal sniper rifle in the Zombie apocalypse. Besides the obvious weight and ammo rarity problem, what is the point? Why would you want to shoot a zombie at 1500 yards? At that range, it can't see or hear you, why would you risk your location and potentially bring a shit storm on yourself? My theory is, if they are outside of 300 meters and not closing on me, let them go. They don't see me, no need to attract attention.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
All in all, pretty good plan. I agree with you on most parts. I added a couple of my personal thoughts in areas as well. Feel free to address with your rebuttal or acknowledgement. None of my remarks are intended to piss on your plan, I personally think it is a pretty good plan, just added a little extra that may have been overlooked. Cheers
4/4/2012 1:29:10 PM
A bat at least. Something with a little stand off range. You can have a glancing blow with your screwdriver, knife...could miss a vital area...if that happens, you're going to try and pull out said item. By then, shithead has a grip on your arm and biting into you for a quick bite. A bat minimum would be preferred. You have more contact area and your arms will be in and out of his personal bubble before he realizes it.
4/4/2012 3:28:10 PM
While I agree with a lot of your ideas on premise, I think that the reality of it will be ;
I have my prefered weapons (shortie AR and G19) but would not rule out a revolver as long as its not a single action.
Fancy bladed weapons aside, I would prefer a hatchet or crowbar ANY day as what they lack in range, they make up for in multiuse.
Zed wont be the only enemy out there.
ZED WONT BE THE ONLY ENEMY OUT THERE.
Everyone I come across I will avoid like the plague unless necessary.
Avoidance is the key for survival in the ZPOC. Low profile, small groups when out from main compound.
Dont go looking for trouble unless there is a specific mission, ie a supply run, securing an immediate area for said supply run or immediate future use
or creating noise distractions near bandits to draw zed to them out of my area.
I have my prefered weapons (shortie AR and G19) but would not rule out a revolver as long as its not a single action.
Fancy bladed weapons aside, I would prefer a hatchet or crowbar ANY day as what they lack in range, they make up for in multiuse.
Zed wont be the only enemy out there.
ZED WONT BE THE ONLY ENEMY OUT THERE.
Everyone I come across I will avoid like the plague unless necessary.
Avoidance is the key for survival in the ZPOC. Low profile, small groups when out from main compound.
Dont go looking for trouble unless there is a specific mission, ie a supply run, securing an immediate area for said supply run or immediate future use
or creating noise distractions near bandits to draw zed to them out of my area.
4/4/2012 6:09:43 PM
I would stop worrying about scrounging for common ammunition and parts for common weapons. All of that will be gone. Someone will own it. You will have to kill them to get it. This is a good way to get killed. Especially without armor. Let alone even if you do decide to go out and about to search for stuff, that makes you a target. You will be carrying some valuable ammunition and someone might decide they want it. Some guy who is hidden with a cheap old bolt action rifle chambered in a caliber you've never heard of will steal your shit after he shoots you.
4/4/2012 9:58:14 PM
This is why the infantry owns the night emergberg! Not bad ideas tho. I would most defiantly stay away from everyone/thing i could. You do have strength in numbers but it could cause a lot of problems as seen on TWD. But if your crew is pretty tight then do what you have to do. I like the idea of a 10 to 18 people and work in 4 to 5 men/woman teams. Prepping and planning on everything you want and are going to is vital, and has worked for years just look up 8 troop leading procedures. Body armor is not a must but is very useful, it can carry all of your mags and ammo among a lot of other thing and is easy to take on and off. On weapon selection i like the g22 with 9mm conversion barrel .40 for a little more punch to put them down, 9mm to stock up on. AR-15 because its a very reliable assault weapons and theirs a big following here in the states. Shot guns and bolt guns will be a dime a dozen here in Texas among other weapons. Melee id say stay away from anything under 12in long, Being able to create distance in close quarters combat is a must.
4/4/2012 11:24:16 PM
i would think snake gaiters would help prevent bites fairly well on the legs. not that i want to try it out, but if it can stop a snake from getting through. maybe riot sleeves for the arms, or some of that stuff they use for road rash protection. a phillips and flat head screwdriver should be part or your edc kit. primarily as a tool and then secondary stabby thing. a large blade or bat as well. blades have all types of uses, and bats as well. unless your primary is strong enough to use as a club. down side to that is if more than one zed , chance they grab it from you and your swinging it, or get tangled in the sling if you have one. carrying light is good, but carrying without essential tools and gear is dangerous if you have no backup or cover/ safe house nearby. you can be separated from your group at any time if your in one, or they could be wiped out if something goes wrong. so maybe a layered system, you can cut down for speed and then double back to collect it while keeping the bare minimum on you at all times. water. food. aid, ammo , weapons and a couple small tools. then keep the bulk of your travel supplies in your pack etc.
noisemakers will come in handy, fireworks, bull horns, battery noisey kids toys, long ass string and a bell , etc for diversions for the walkers
noisemakers will come in handy, fireworks, bull horns, battery noisey kids toys, long ass string and a bell , etc for diversions for the walkers
4/5/2012 10:08:43 AM
A machete will come in handy its not fancy but anyone can use one with little practice unlike other bladed weapons.
You should always try to find things with multiple uses like this.
You should always try to find things with multiple uses like this.
4/5/2012 5:29:57 PM
Rifle: DPMS predator in a take down case AND an SAR1
Handgun: sig 226 with extended mags
Melee: KaBar Tanto, ASP, Bowie
Handgun: sig 226 with extended mags
Melee: KaBar Tanto, ASP, Bowie
4/5/2012 5:34:28 PM
Leather or Kevlar MC jacket, broad wedge shape mace, handgun with .22 conversion unit and brick or two of ammo available, same thing for rifle. [AR]
4/5/2012 7:45:39 PM
Hunting zombies in an urban area will only guarantee your untimely death. Too easy to get surrounded or trapped, way too many blind spots. Plus it's unrealistic to think a single person can put any kind of dent in the infected population. Avoid unless impossible is always the way to go. Stealth will guarantee a longer life whether from zed or people.
4/8/2012 1:38:27 AM
If the premise is actual easy to use, shoot nasty, work everytime type weapons then for a rifle, an AK. This fits the bill and there ARE a lot of parts around even in the US as well as ammo.
Revolver? makes a great, sure back up in double action. ALWAYS works unless your ammo is crap. Never jams either. .38 +p wad cutters or hollow points work everytime. Small and compact for emergency use. I carry a .45 glock G21 with 13=1 rounds of premium hollow point which I am guaranteed success with on a head shot or extremity shot. Severed limb bones slow down zeds. Blow up a kneecap and he wont be going very fast.
Melee..I want something that can be used close up as well as stand off and a metal bat fits that..wood can absorb fluids and can't be cleaned well. You can push away and it won't get stuck. Problem is...it is messy and requires a good hit. Not easy to do. It also isn't a sure, terminal choice for zeds as only a cranium crushing blow will work. Need to drill them out and add lead shot or something to bring mass up.
I like a machete with a slightly longer handle for balance (see example)...can be used close in and also a stand off...if I cut off a leg it can slow them down...cut off arms and they can't grab...decapitation is sure and effective....if not sure...then it can surely slow them down to the point they are ineffective (imagine a head hanging off to the side)
Machete example...cold steel katana machete....shortened/modded the handle and balanced the blade...color finish
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Body armor can be simple as coating your jacket or coveralls with truck bed liner..(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pty4NmVyI ) I will note a German Sheppard has a more powerful bite than a human does.
Flexibility can be added by leaving 'joints' in clothing by masking off a narrow strip or series of strips. It will also make the clothing more body fluid resistant.
Bullet proof armor? Won't happen...doesn't exist. A rifle round penetrates body armor as well as an ice pick so it won't matter. Against small arms fire from shotguns and hand guns yes...but the injuries to the body underneath the armor from blunt force trauma can still kill or seriously incapacitate you. There is an idea about new armor but it isn't developed yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEo5MbcaX0 ) Might prove usefull and allow you to survive better non zed attacks from weapons.
Revolver? makes a great, sure back up in double action. ALWAYS works unless your ammo is crap. Never jams either. .38 +p wad cutters or hollow points work everytime. Small and compact for emergency use. I carry a .45 glock G21 with 13=1 rounds of premium hollow point which I am guaranteed success with on a head shot or extremity shot. Severed limb bones slow down zeds. Blow up a kneecap and he wont be going very fast.
Melee..I want something that can be used close up as well as stand off and a metal bat fits that..wood can absorb fluids and can't be cleaned well. You can push away and it won't get stuck. Problem is...it is messy and requires a good hit. Not easy to do. It also isn't a sure, terminal choice for zeds as only a cranium crushing blow will work. Need to drill them out and add lead shot or something to bring mass up.
I like a machete with a slightly longer handle for balance (see example)...can be used close in and also a stand off...if I cut off a leg it can slow them down...cut off arms and they can't grab...decapitation is sure and effective....if not sure...then it can surely slow them down to the point they are ineffective (imagine a head hanging off to the side)
Machete example...cold steel katana machete....shortened/modded the handle and balanced the blade...color finish
Uploaded with ImageShack.us
Body armor can be simple as coating your jacket or coveralls with truck bed liner..(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pty4NmVyI ) I will note a German Sheppard has a more powerful bite than a human does.
Flexibility can be added by leaving 'joints' in clothing by masking off a narrow strip or series of strips. It will also make the clothing more body fluid resistant.
Bullet proof armor? Won't happen...doesn't exist. A rifle round penetrates body armor as well as an ice pick so it won't matter. Against small arms fire from shotguns and hand guns yes...but the injuries to the body underneath the armor from blunt force trauma can still kill or seriously incapacitate you. There is an idea about new armor but it isn't developed yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEo5MbcaX0 ) Might prove usefull and allow you to survive better non zed attacks from weapons.
4/14/2012 3:23:02 AM
Why an ice pick? That seems a little close range for my tastes. Why not take a matic, cut off the wide end, and have an "ice pick" on a 3 foot handle. Extra leverage and all.
4/14/2012 8:56:25 PM
My Glock 19 with 30round mags will do better than any wheel gun. My Ar15 would be my first choice for a rifle.
4/14/2012 9:54:54 PM
hunt zombies from the air in helicopters. Like that aireal hog hunting they do in texas
4/15/2012 5:02:40 PM
Originally Posted By Zombie_Lord66641:
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
––Agree.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
––Agree.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
No way. I want standoff distance. Back before firearms, the common weapon of infantry was the spear. Why? Standoff distance. A spear like weapon suitable for stabbing or slashing is, IMHO, ideal. In terms of things found around the house, baseball bats, crowbars, etc. But I want to keep my distance. I do agree that hammers and axes are poor choices. Weapons used for chopping in general, Or weapons with points that can get stuck (think things like maces)... bad choice. My one exception to this is to have a multi-purpose tool that can be used for scavenging related work (breaking windows, opening doors) that also has some zombie killing potential (opening the closet door to find a zombie is going to require a quick kill, preferably using whats already in your hand. Think crowbar or halligan tool. Note that this is very much a last resort weapon.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
If there is lots of bad guys, not just zombies, around, body armor is a very nice thing to have. Having clothing that can handle a bite would also be very good. It would suck to get bit by a single lone zombie and be fucked even if you kill it 3.131 seconds later. Not all zombies will be in massive hordes.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I'll stick with my rifle as long as possible. Transition to sidearm if I must, transition to melee if I must.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
––Agree.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
––Agree.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
No way. I want standoff distance. Back before firearms, the common weapon of infantry was the spear. Why? Standoff distance. A spear like weapon suitable for stabbing or slashing is, IMHO, ideal. In terms of things found around the house, baseball bats, crowbars, etc. But I want to keep my distance. I do agree that hammers and axes are poor choices. Weapons used for chopping in general, Or weapons with points that can get stuck (think things like maces)... bad choice. My one exception to this is to have a multi-purpose tool that can be used for scavenging related work (breaking windows, opening doors) that also has some zombie killing potential (opening the closet door to find a zombie is going to require a quick kill, preferably using whats already in your hand. Think crowbar or halligan tool. Note that this is very much a last resort weapon.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
If there is lots of bad guys, not just zombies, around, body armor is a very nice thing to have. Having clothing that can handle a bite would also be very good. It would suck to get bit by a single lone zombie and be fucked even if you kill it 3.131 seconds later. Not all zombies will be in massive hordes.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I'll stick with my rifle as long as possible. Transition to sidearm if I must, transition to melee if I must.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
Personally, I think you need a team––if your scavenging for supplies, clearing a town, relocating, or doing anything else. Working alone is suicide. By having a team, you can fight as a team.
For example, if the mission is to scavenge for supplies, I think you should have some people doing the scavenging, equipped with things like crowbars (along with pistols) along with one or more people with rifles to provide cover for them. Each person can concentrate on their area of responsibility.
If clearing a town (or area or building) then load up with rifles and ammo. Clear the damn building, don't go stuffing bottles of whiskey into your pack. That can happen after the building is secured. (One thing the movies get right... How many people get bit after they stop paying attention to grab some loot?...)
Traveling? Have a scout, sectors for people to cover, etc.
4/20/2012 4:56:23 PM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
If the premise is actual easy to use, shoot nasty, work everytime type weapons then for a rifle, an AK. This fits the bill and there ARE a lot of parts around even in the US as well as ammo.
Revolver? makes a great, sure back up in double action. ALWAYS works unless your ammo is crap. Never jams either. .38 +p wad cutters or hollow points work everytime. Small and compact for emergency use. I carry a .45 glock G21 with 13=1 rounds of premium hollow point which I am guaranteed success with on a head shot or extremity shot. Severed limb bones slow down zeds. Blow up a kneecap and he wont be going very fast.
Melee..I want something that can be used close up as well as stand off and a metal bat fits that..wood can absorb fluids and can't be cleaned well. You can push away and it won't get stuck. Problem is...it is messy and requires a good hit. Not easy to do. It also isn't a sure, terminal choice for zeds as only a cranium crushing blow will work. Need to drill them out and add lead shot or something to bring mass up.
I like a machete with a slightly longer handle for balance (see example)...can be used close in and also a stand off...if I cut off a leg it can slow them down...cut off arms and they can't grab...decapitation is sure and effective....if not sure...then it can surely slow them down to the point they are ineffective (imagine a head hanging off to the side)
Machete example...cold steel katana machete....shortened/modded the handle and balanced the blade...color finish
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/km2h.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7248/km2h.jpg</a>
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Body armor can be simple as coating your jacket or coveralls with truck bed liner..(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pty4NmVyI ) I will note a German Sheppard has a more powerful bite than a human does.
Flexibility can be added by leaving 'joints' in clothing by masking off a narrow strip or series of strips. It will also make the clothing more body fluid resistant.
Bullet proof armor? Won't happen...doesn't exist. A rifle round penetrates body armor as well as an ice pick so it won't matter. Against small arms fire from shotguns and hand guns yes...but the injuries to the body underneath the armor from blunt force trauma can still kill or seriously incapacitate you. There is an idea about new armor but it isn't developed yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEo5MbcaX0 ) Might prove usefull and allow you to survive better non zed attacks from weapons.
If the premise is actual easy to use, shoot nasty, work everytime type weapons then for a rifle, an AK. This fits the bill and there ARE a lot of parts around even in the US as well as ammo.
Revolver? makes a great, sure back up in double action. ALWAYS works unless your ammo is crap. Never jams either. .38 +p wad cutters or hollow points work everytime. Small and compact for emergency use. I carry a .45 glock G21 with 13=1 rounds of premium hollow point which I am guaranteed success with on a head shot or extremity shot. Severed limb bones slow down zeds. Blow up a kneecap and he wont be going very fast.
Melee..I want something that can be used close up as well as stand off and a metal bat fits that..wood can absorb fluids and can't be cleaned well. You can push away and it won't get stuck. Problem is...it is messy and requires a good hit. Not easy to do. It also isn't a sure, terminal choice for zeds as only a cranium crushing blow will work. Need to drill them out and add lead shot or something to bring mass up.
I like a machete with a slightly longer handle for balance (see example)...can be used close in and also a stand off...if I cut off a leg it can slow them down...cut off arms and they can't grab...decapitation is sure and effective....if not sure...then it can surely slow them down to the point they are ineffective (imagine a head hanging off to the side)
Machete example...cold steel katana machete....shortened/modded the handle and balanced the blade...color finish
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/km2h.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7248/km2h.jpg</a>
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Body armor can be simple as coating your jacket or coveralls with truck bed liner..(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pty4NmVyI ) I will note a German Sheppard has a more powerful bite than a human does.
Flexibility can be added by leaving 'joints' in clothing by masking off a narrow strip or series of strips. It will also make the clothing more body fluid resistant.
Bullet proof armor? Won't happen...doesn't exist. A rifle round penetrates body armor as well as an ice pick so it won't matter. Against small arms fire from shotguns and hand guns yes...but the injuries to the body underneath the armor from blunt force trauma can still kill or seriously incapacitate you. There is an idea about new armor but it isn't developed yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEo5MbcaX0 ) Might prove usefull and allow you to survive better non zed attacks from weapons.
Nice mod!
4/22/2012 2:07:28 PM
Originally Posted By Zombie_Lord66641:
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
I'm a 1911 fan but at work I use a Glock 30. In a SHTF/ZPOC situation I see the handgun as a means of getting you to your carbine. Knocking the zeds out of the way may not get the same result but it gets them moved long enough for me to get through. I've been trained to shoot on the move and practice it but most people haven't and don't. I know some people are intimidated by the larger calibers too. If I'm looking for a handgun for me we're talking 45acp. For someoen who is less versed I beleive they would be more comfortable with a 9mm just because of the way calibers are beleived to react. I'd also have no issue using a 9mm or 40S&W. The 45acp is my preference.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. Common Weapon, common ammo especially when you know the combination to the armory.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. Last chance/last ditch/last anything. I'm looking at staying well beyond arms-length unless unavoidable. climbingaxe/hammer, Kukri, Kabar, ice pick, screw driver whatever is within reach.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo. If you have it wear it because there are more things to worry about then Zeds.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. Don't ignore SBRs and AR pistols. They can serve the purpose of your mid-range and short-range weapons. The overall length on my AR pistol is 24" with a 7.5" barrel. They aren't hard to shoot and they are accurate to at least 100 yards determined from my own experience. 30 round capacity, force of a rifle round up close.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
My BOL is my crib. I live in a rural area but work in an Urban/Suburban area. My plan is to make it home if I'm not there. After that I'll be out looking for others and scavenging when needed. I have a shop and others of like-mind. I can make suppressors and SBRs. I currently have an FFL and run a small sales business. I stick to the laws in effect now. In a ZPOC I would think that the NFA is out the window. You survive by staying stealthy when needed. Suppressors will be a must. Find your allies. Trust but verify.
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
I'm a 1911 fan but at work I use a Glock 30. In a SHTF/ZPOC situation I see the handgun as a means of getting you to your carbine. Knocking the zeds out of the way may not get the same result but it gets them moved long enough for me to get through. I've been trained to shoot on the move and practice it but most people haven't and don't. I know some people are intimidated by the larger calibers too. If I'm looking for a handgun for me we're talking 45acp. For someoen who is less versed I beleive they would be more comfortable with a 9mm just because of the way calibers are beleived to react. I'd also have no issue using a 9mm or 40S&W. The 45acp is my preference.
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. Common Weapon, common ammo especially when you know the combination to the armory.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. Last chance/last ditch/last anything. I'm looking at staying well beyond arms-length unless unavoidable. climbingaxe/hammer, Kukri, Kabar, ice pick, screw driver whatever is within reach.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo. If you have it wear it because there are more things to worry about then Zeds.
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. Don't ignore SBRs and AR pistols. They can serve the purpose of your mid-range and short-range weapons. The overall length on my AR pistol is 24" with a 7.5" barrel. They aren't hard to shoot and they are accurate to at least 100 yards determined from my own experience. 30 round capacity, force of a rifle round up close.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
My BOL is my crib. I live in a rural area but work in an Urban/Suburban area. My plan is to make it home if I'm not there. After that I'll be out looking for others and scavenging when needed. I have a shop and others of like-mind. I can make suppressors and SBRs. I currently have an FFL and run a small sales business. I stick to the laws in effect now. In a ZPOC I would think that the NFA is out the window. You survive by staying stealthy when needed. Suppressors will be a must. Find your allies. Trust but verify.
4/25/2012 2:23:29 AM
Originally Posted By Zombie_Lord66641:
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
i agree for the most part, but a small J frame (or the like) would be ok for a backup
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
i'm ok with this, too. good, reliable weapon and you can carry a lot of ammo.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
i'm ok with having a last-ditch weapon for way too up close, but i think an ice pick or screw driver would be TOO up close. hell, if they are that close i have knives that will do, and will do for other tasks as well. but for normal melee, i will go with a 2 ft crowbar or my dead on tools annihilator.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
zed isn't the only threat. but, i've worn body armor for long periods of time - it sucks. it cuts down on mobility and agility. i wouldn't mind having some sort of protection (ie soft armor like police wear, or an IOTV), but i would prefer to leave the plates behind or have them stashed until i need them (at BOL).
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie.
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun.
i agree for the most part, but a small J frame (or the like) would be ok for a backup
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain.
i'm ok with this, too. good, reliable weapon and you can carry a lot of ammo.
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way.
i'm ok with having a last-ditch weapon for way too up close, but i think an ice pick or screw driver would be TOO up close. hell, if they are that close i have knives that will do, and will do for other tasks as well. but for normal melee, i will go with a 2 ft crowbar or my dead on tools annihilator.
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.
zed isn't the only threat. but, i've worn body armor for long periods of time - it sucks. it cuts down on mobility and agility. i wouldn't mind having some sort of protection (ie soft armor like police wear, or an IOTV), but i would prefer to leave the plates behind or have them stashed until i need them (at BOL).
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible.
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly.
i like the thought process. it is way too easy to let our inner (or outer
) gun nut get carried away and want to bring every gun we own. simple, purpose driven, practical loadouts are the way to go.
5/4/2012 11:25:53 PM
Originally Posted By Zombie_Lord66641:
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie. Agree
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun. G17 is hard to beat capacity/more than adequate damage,hell a suppressed ruger MKII would be pretty nice but only 10rd mags
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. an AR family rifle would be my first choice but an AK74 wouldnt leave me feeling inadequate assuming I already had ammo/mags
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. hatchet/machete would be my choice
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.if I wore armor it would be at most a real leather jacket or sleeves made from a welders coat and possibly butchers gloves
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. I would keep shooting until I had to reload then if they were right on top of me then go to melee
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly. avoiding contact would be a priority but clearing an area to rescue/search/secure would be a necessity
I have seen a lot of pictures of things people would plan to use as a weapon that personally i dont think make sense. So i am making this thread to see how my weapon theory holds up against arfcom but first lets agree on one thing here. Damaging the brain is the only way to kill a zombie. Agree
Firearms:
revolvers are a not go, why, because there is a small amount of rounds before reloading. yes thay are very reliable but i would much rather have a 17 round mag +1 chambered in a glock vs. any revolver. im sure many of your are saying that that means im using 9mm vs. something like a .357. i am saying that. remember all you have to do is damage the brain. can you honestly tell me a 9mm will not go through a rotting corpses' skull?! not saying i wouldnt keep a revolver if i was traveling in a vehicle or was static. i am saying, if you are walking around and can only carry a rifle and a handgun. G17 is hard to beat capacity/more than adequate damage,hell a suppressed ruger MKII would be pretty nice but only 10rd mags
for a rifle i would use the AR-15. not supporting the website or anything like that, it is a simple weapon that MANY people use including the ARMY, MARINES, LE, etc... by using a common weapon it will be easier to replace parts that break or use a whole new weapon all together. i am a BIG fan of military style weapons and they will work GREAT for an outbreak. i will defend this point right here. if an outbreak happens the government will deploy the military and other LE agencies to combat the hord or zombies sweeping the state, country, continent, world...w/e. in a world like the walking dead were most people are dead or zombies, dead soldiers will be everywhere and they will have died shooting at zombies. that means that there should be a fairly descent amount of weapons around. i know there will be other people aand they will take weapons too but im sure there will be some laying around somewhere. even if its gander mountain. an AR family rifle would be my first choice but an AK74 wouldnt leave me feeling inadequate assuming I already had ammo/mags
Melee weapns: big ass axes are cool BUT they can be heavy. hammers are light but could get stuck along with axes and swords. the human skull is similar to a watermelon. yes it is easy to put and axe though a watermelon BUT can do do that very fast while being acurate over and over while the watermelons are trying to eat you? (remember you are probably malnurished and tired) i dont think its a good option. personally i would use something light and small that wont break. for this i would choose an ice pick or a sharpened screw driver or maybe a skinier knife that doesnt have a lot of flex. i know this deosnt have a good range but think or if this way. hatchet/machete would be my choice
Body armor: ballistic vests? Really!!! Do zombies shoot guns NO. The only way a bullet vest will help is to stop zombies from ripping you open. That doesn’t sound like fun to me but if I am in a situation where this could happen I’m screwed anyway. If you want to wear so body protection, cover your eyes and limbs. The highest chance of you getting bitten with be on the arm while pushing them away or a leg randomly. Save the weight and big a little more ammo.if I wore armor it would be at most a real leather jacket or sleeves made from a welders coat and possibly butchers gloves
summary: you dont want to be close to a group of zombies anyway right. that is why you should have a rifle to take out zombies over 15M (40-45 feet). after that you your pistol, it will give you greater mobility in a closer space. if you go into a building such as a house or a store use a pistol such as a glock or even a 1911. a magazine allows much faster reloading (for most people) than a revolver. again, i perfer a glock 17/19 because 9mm will do the trick.if the zombies are 10 feet away and there is more than 5 i would switch to your knife or ice pick instead of reloading. holster that side arm then stab and run. the key to close range is keep your feet moving. try to keep as much distance as possible. I would keep shooting until I had to reload then if they were right on top of me then go to melee
I know the best way to stay alive is to hide and avoid the zombies but I do not like this idea. I am not saying grad a case of 5.56 and do downtown Chicago and start lighting up zombies. I am saying that I would go to all the smaller towns in my area and clear them. By this I mean I would park my vehicle about a mile away from town then suit up. Walk into town slowly checking the area. Try to take out any zombies as far away as you can. If there is only say 5 zombies or so and they are not right on top of each other I would save ammo and take them out manually. Repeat this until every house within a small radius is clear. This will provide a lot of security and you will learn the area. You may even find some survivors along with extra supplies. I do not think the living dead can be saved and I do not want to be eaten alive so I will plan to go around killing the dead before they get me.
That is my strategy, what do you all think? Give me the good the bad and the ugly. avoiding contact would be a priority but clearing an area to rescue/search/secure would be a necessity
just my buzzed tired ramblings
as a potential melee weapon I have a 4' piece of 3/4" od steel tubing i use at work that I have ground down to a 45degree point on one end(think AK slant comp)and it does amazingly well at punching holes through thick heavy cardboard and its fairly light as well always wondered how it would do against a skull,just one of the things I think about at work
