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WWII German Weapons Designs still in use?
2/23/2010 7:14:29 PM
I never realized the RPG was developed by the Soviets from the German designed Panzerfaust "tank fist- that's cool 
". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
2/23/2010 7:16:27 PM
The MG42 (G3) in 7.62x51 is still in use by several Eupopean countries.
2/23/2010 7:18:03 PM
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
2) M-60 is no longer 'in use' (might be a few sitting in a weapons rack somewhere), but was designed from the FG-42, not MG42
3) MG-42 is still in use by the Germans, as the 'MG-3'
4) Last I checked, the Army was still teaching people to dig holes, WWII style (2-man foxhole)...
2) M-60 is no longer 'in use' (might be a few sitting in a weapons rack somewhere), but was designed from the FG-42, not MG42
3) MG-42 is still in use by the Germans, as the 'MG-3'
4) Last I checked, the Army was still teaching people to dig holes, WWII style (2-man foxhole)...
2/23/2010 7:21:05 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
2) M-60 is no longer 'in use' (might be a few sitting in a weapons rack somewhere), but was designed from the FG-42, not MG42
3) MG-42 is still in use by the Germans, as the 'MG-3'
4) Last I checked, the Army was still teaching people to dig holes, WWII style (2-man foxhole)...
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
2) M-60 is no longer 'in use' (might be a few sitting in a weapons rack somewhere), but was designed from the FG-42, not MG42
3) MG-42 is still in use by the Germans, as the 'MG-3'
4) Last I checked, the Army was still teaching people to dig holes, WWII style (2-man foxhole)...
FG42 gas system, MG42 feed system.
2/23/2010 7:25:57 PM
Wire guided missiles too.
2/23/2010 7:37:52 PM
compare the P-38 walther to the beretta M9 some similarities
the Focke-Wulf Ta 183 looks a lot like a MIG-15 and F-86
roller locked rifle designs like the STG45, led directly to the spainish CETME, and HK-91 / G3
the Focke-Wulf Ta 183 looks a lot like a MIG-15 and F-86
roller locked rifle designs like the STG45, led directly to the spainish CETME, and HK-91 / G3
2/23/2010 7:41:58 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. Hell the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
2/23/2010 7:54:11 PM
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Not according to MK himself.
2/23/2010 7:55:51 PM
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
2/23/2010 7:56:58 PM
It's arguable whether or not the AK was stolen from the StG44 design.
1)The StG44 wasn't the 1st assault rifle, it was just the 1st assault rifle that was widely seen by the West. The Federov Avtomat was the first infantry weapon to meet the design criteria for an assault rifle and did so in 1915/1916.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
2)The Sov had been experimenting with a more modern cartridge for years before WWII. They finalized the M43 cartridge as a result of that research.
3)Both the StG44 and AK use a stamped receiver but the internals are very different. Saying that the AK must be a copy is like saying that since both the BAR and Garand use a machined receiver and have gas pistons, Garand must have copied Browning.
BSW
1)The StG44 wasn't the 1st assault rifle, it was just the 1st assault rifle that was widely seen by the West. The Federov Avtomat was the first infantry weapon to meet the design criteria for an assault rifle and did so in 1915/1916.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
2)The Sov had been experimenting with a more modern cartridge for years before WWII. They finalized the M43 cartridge as a result of that research.
3)Both the StG44 and AK use a stamped receiver but the internals are very different. Saying that the AK must be a copy is like saying that since both the BAR and Garand use a machined receiver and have gas pistons, Garand must have copied Browning.
BSW
2/23/2010 7:58:11 PM
Originally Posted By rm1bow:
I never realized the RPG was developed by the Soviets from the German designed Panzerfaust "tank fist- that's cool". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
I never realized the RPG was developed by the Soviets from the German designed Panzerfaust "tank fist- that's cool
". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
Jet, Chemical jet, V2, Ruhrstahl SD 1400, Fieseler Fi 103, TV guided weapons, Flesh Light.
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2/23/2010 7:59:22 PM
2/23/2010 7:59:31 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Not according to MK himself.
Do you really think that MK would admit that he ripped off someone's design? Really Dave? You are smarter than that. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER trust a commie?
2/23/2010 8:00:07 PM
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Do you really think that MK would admit that he ripped off someone's design? Really Dave? You are smarter than that. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER trust a commie?
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Not according to MK himself.
Do you really think that MK would admit that he ripped off someone's design? Really Dave? You are smarter than that. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER trust a commie?
I think that he admitted to 'ripping off' that Winchester (the one Dillinger used, forgot the name) and the M1 Garand...
2/23/2010 8:00:32 PM
ZG 1229 IR Night Vision
2/23/2010 8:01:12 PM
After WWII many companies copied or adapted ideas form the K98k. The bolt was thought to be an excellent design.
2/23/2010 8:02:23 PM
WunderWaffe 7 - the rocket-powered fighter plane
2/23/2010 8:10:09 PM
Originally Posted By MP0117:
After WWII many companies copied or adapted ideas form the K98k. The bolt was thought to be an excellent design.
After WWII many companies copied or adapted ideas form the K98k. The bolt was thought to be an excellent design.
???
After WWII everybody pretty much dropped bolt action rifles for military use like a pregnant prom date.
Not a lot of designs using a fixed claw extractor combined with pivoting ejector in a machined receiver either after the war either.
BSW
2/23/2010 8:14:25 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Not according to MK himself.
Because he hates Krauts.
2/23/2010 8:15:06 PM
MG-3 is the 7.62NATO version of the MG-42
still an excellent machine gun
still an excellent machine gun
2/23/2010 8:15:07 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
I think that he admitted to 'ripping off' that Winchester (the one Dillinger used, forgot the name) and the M1 Garand...
Originally Posted By Stryker_11A:
Do you really think that MK would admit that he ripped off someone's design? Really Dave? You are smarter than that. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER trust a commie?
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Not according to MK himself.
Do you really think that MK would admit that he ripped off someone's design? Really Dave? You are smarter than that. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER trust a commie?
I think that he admitted to 'ripping off' that Winchester (the one Dillinger used, forgot the name) and the M1 Garand...
He hates Krauts.
2/23/2010 8:16:34 PM
Night vision
tank designs - theory
STG
airplane designs
9mm pistols
camouflage
etc.
etc.
tank designs - theory
STG
airplane designs
9mm pistols
camouflage
etc.
etc.
2/23/2010 8:21:20 PM
The P-1 (aluminum frame P-38) was in use until quite recently. The Beretta 92 is basically a P-38 with a full length slide.
2/23/2010 8:29:55 PM
Isnt the M60E4 still in use with the US MIL?
2/23/2010 8:53:11 PM
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
This.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
2/23/2010 8:57:28 PM
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
This.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
+1
2/23/2010 9:04:45 PM
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
I've wondered if Kalashnikov was a propaganda tool.
Hero of the Soviet Union, wounded in battle, designs submachine gun on convalescent leave
I could see Schmeisser designing it and Mikhail getting all the glory.
2/23/2010 9:15:27 PM
Originally Posted By Derek45:
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
I've wondered if Kalashnikov was a propaganda tool.
Hero of the Soviet Union, wounded in battle, designs submachine gun on convalescent leave
I could see Schmeisser designing it and Mikhail getting all the glory.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
I've wondered if Kalashnikov was a propaganda tool.
Hero of the Soviet Union, wounded in battle, designs submachine gun on convalescent leave
I could see Schmeisser designing it and Mikhail getting all the glory.
my thoughs exactly
2/23/2010 10:26:39 PM
I watched a show on cable once that took place at a national firearms museum here. The guy took out a M60 and a MG42 out of their crates and removed the receiver covers, they were pretty much identical. I am pretty sure that it was in fact an MG42., not the other gun you mentioned. Some part of the design may have been taken from the other gun. Most everything that made the US dominant after WW2 we stole fair and square from the germans. No big secret. And do you think MK would admit getting any idea from their biggest enemy? I doubt it.
2/23/2010 11:55:37 PM
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
This.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
There any sources you'd like to pass along for that?
I've never heard that one before.
BSW
2/24/2010 12:03:37 AM
Don't forget uniform influences, especially helmets. Tanks are also heavily influenced by many German designs, hell the Abrahm's has a german made gun, and I think I remember reading that a lot of it's base design is based of some German design.
Oh, and tactics of course. Swarzthoweveryouspellit pretty much flat out said we 'blitzkreiged' Iraq in the Gulf War.
Oh, and tactics of course. Swarzthoweveryouspellit pretty much flat out said we 'blitzkreiged' Iraq in the Gulf War.
2/24/2010 12:32:01 AM
The MG42, as either the MG3 (Germany) MG42/59 (Italy, Austria, and most of the old Yugoslav area) as well as MG3 in Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and a hefty chunk of the southern section of the world still rules supreme in the MG world, the only more distributed gun is the MAG58 (M240) which is basically a Browning 1919 body, BAR bolt upside down and an MG42 feed system. So the most popular MG in the world is a direct descendant, closely followed by the original in popularity.
The MP40 (Schmeisser) survived in Norwegian service until the 1990s in the reserves, mostly because no other SMG out there did a whole lot better. The Uzi's more compact and the MP5's a bit more accurate but for a military SMG in the role they were using it for, it still worked fine.
The Walther P38/P1 survived in German/Austrian service up until the 1980s (Austria) and 90s (Germany).
HK's entire lineup came from Mauser's 1945 prototype, so the CETME and HK G3, G33, G41, MP5, etc all (still in service in Norway, South America, and most of Africa as well as Iran and India/Pakistan) are "still around".
The MP40 (Schmeisser) survived in Norwegian service until the 1990s in the reserves, mostly because no other SMG out there did a whole lot better. The Uzi's more compact and the MP5's a bit more accurate but for a military SMG in the role they were using it for, it still worked fine.
The Walther P38/P1 survived in German/Austrian service up until the 1980s (Austria) and 90s (Germany).
HK's entire lineup came from Mauser's 1945 prototype, so the CETME and HK G3, G33, G41, MP5, etc all (still in service in Norway, South America, and most of Africa as well as Iran and India/Pakistan) are "still around".
2/24/2010 7:28:28 AM
Originally Posted By briansmithwins:
There any sources you'd like to pass along for that?
BSW
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
This.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
There any sources you'd like to pass along for that?
BSW
Most any "good" book on the history of the AK, or on the life of Schmeisser. Hugo was locked in the factory from 46-49. If you Lock a career weapon designer, and a nobody tank mechanic in a weapons factory I dont wonder too much who did most of the work.
That would be like putting John Browning and Obama in a room, with MSNBC as the only source of news. Any wonder who would get credit for the final product?
MK is nothing more than a product of Soviet propaganda.
2/25/2010 12:39:26 AM
Except Kalashnikov invented his own SMG before Schmeisser was ever captured.....and long after he was gone, invented quite a few other weapons.
I bet he did swap ideas, but it's not like Kalashnikov had no brain.
I bet he did swap ideas, but it's not like Kalashnikov had no brain.
2/25/2010 2:19:45 PM
According to the website of the Lebanese military, they still use the StG-44. http://www.lebaneseforces.com/wassaultrif.asp
2/25/2010 9:05:41 PM
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Not according to MK himself.
Did you expect him to say where he got the idea from?
2/28/2010 8:56:52 PM
Infectious, there's 1 or 2 battalions of Syrian paratroops IIRC who were given the Stg44's by the Soviets postwar, as a "prestige" weapon.
Ammo, and apparently entire rifles/magazines/parts have been built to keep it in service, thus accounting for the odd StG popping up in various corners of the world (several have been captured in Iraq or seen in photos). It's a heavy rifle (heavier than an AK), but it is effective, as is the round.
Ammo, and apparently entire rifles/magazines/parts have been built to keep it in service, thus accounting for the odd StG popping up in various corners of the world (several have been captured in Iraq or seen in photos). It's a heavy rifle (heavier than an AK), but it is effective, as is the round.
3/1/2010 2:16:26 AM
Yugoslavia's paratroopers used the STG until the 80's,even instead of the AK.Most of the STG's that are running around North Africa and the Middle East are post-war built guns.
3/5/2010 11:37:05 AM
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Because he hates Krauts.
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Not according to MK himself.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Not according to MK himself.
Because he hates Krauts.
I would say this has alot to do with it.
The ruger M-77 bolt-action rifles are based off the M98 action IIRC
3/5/2010 7:19:39 PM
i know mauser or mauser clones were used as sniper weapons in the bosnian war in the 90's probably the yugo copy.
heres another inspired jet taking a lot from the germans in wing design.
i think it was the national geographicl had a special on making a mock up of a ww2 german horten 229 fighter for radar testing. the show was great, too bad it was not made to fly.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview21#tab-Videos/06807_00
was a great show.
heres another inspired jet taking a lot from the germans in wing design.
i think it was the national geographicl had a special on making a mock up of a ww2 german horten 229 fighter for radar testing. the show was great, too bad it was not made to fly.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview21#tab-Videos/06807_00
was a great show.
3/12/2010 5:58:10 PM
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
+1
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
This.
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
1) AK47 was inspired by a mix of US weapons designs (Remmington semi-auto from the 30s, Garand, etc)... Not the STG.
Entire concept of the AK47 was from the STG.
Chopping the rifle cartridge in half, 30 round mag capacity, fully auto - storm weapon. He the thing even superficially looked like a cheaper STG. (yes, the internals are different)
This.
Not to mention when Hugo Schmeisser was captured he was put to work on the team which designed the AK. He probably had WAY more to do with it than M.K. did.
+1
no shit!?
3/13/2010 12:12:42 PM
There are quite a number of MP44s still in use in Iraq. And are being chopped up and destroyed after getting confiscated. 
3/13/2010 12:24:05 PM
Originally Posted By delacrue:
There are quite a number of MP44s still in use in Iraq. And are being chopped up and destroyed after getting confiscated.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2590655887_f8fd441375.jpg
There are quite a number of MP44s still in use in Iraq. And are being chopped up and destroyed after getting confiscated.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2590655887_f8fd441375.jpg
Thats a damn shame!
3/14/2010 7:42:57 PM
Originally Posted By eddiein1984:
The P-1 (aluminum frame P-38) was in use until quite recently. The Beretta 92 is basically a P-38 with a full length slide.
The P-1 (aluminum frame P-38) was in use until quite recently. The Beretta 92 is basically a P-38 with a full length slide.
still in use actually by the Afghan National Army, who recieved some from the Bundeswehr
3/20/2010 2:09:47 PM
Originally Posted By El-cid:
Jet, Chemical jet, V2, Ruhrstahl SD 1400, Fieseler Fi 103, TV guided weapons, Flesh Light.
More Here: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/Secweap.htm
Originally Posted By rm1bow:
I never realized the RPG was developed by the Soviets from the German designed Panzerfaust "tank fist- that's cool". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
I never realized the RPG was developed by the Soviets from the German designed Panzerfaust "tank fist- that's cool
". I got to looking and I guess
the M60 was developed from the MG 42. And from what I read the AK-47 was inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.
I know the US used some of their rocket technology. Any other weapon designs that were used after WWII that you know of?
Jet, Chemical jet, V2, Ruhrstahl SD 1400, Fieseler Fi 103, TV guided weapons, Flesh Light.
More Here: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/Secweap.htm
No shit?
4/22/2010 12:02:11 AM
Originally Posted By El-cid:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvObOyPoBI/AAAAAAAA-SY/Zx8yU79_ijQ/s640/truketyjtrhdgbf.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvObOyPoBI/AAAAAAAA-SY/Zx8yU79_ijQ/s640/truketyjtrhdgbf.jpg
Eh, we had the XB35 around the same time as their flying wing type aircraft, and subsequently the YB49... then of course nothing for decades until the B2 made it look good again.
4/22/2010 9:40:54 PM
Originally Posted By Rod_Fitswell:
Eh, we had the XB35 around the same time as their flying wing type aircraft, and subsequently the YB49... then of course nothing for decades until the B2 made it look good again.
Originally Posted By El-cid:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvObOyPoBI/AAAAAAAA-SY/Zx8yU79_ijQ/s640/truketyjtrhdgbf.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvObOyPoBI/AAAAAAAA-SY/Zx8yU79_ijQ/s640/truketyjtrhdgbf.jpg
Eh, we had the XB35 around the same time as their flying wing type aircraft, and subsequently the YB49... then of course nothing for decades until the B2 made it look good again.
i think our early models were prop driven at first, but was some weird ass prototypes out there.
