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Any of you guys got the Pact Club timer III ???
5/8/2012 11:03:17 PM
Like it?
Hows it work?
http://www.laruetactical.com/pact-club-timer-iii
I'd like it to try the ""Fast Drill"
http://pistol-training.com/fastest (down towards the bottom)
also, time my speed at a rack of steel plates, setup a few steel plates C.O.F.s and see if I can improve on them... and whatever other Challenges I can come up with for myself and a few shootin buds...
Seems fun..
ETA: Dumb question,Review Mode: Shows incremental times from the first to the last shot fired
Hows this thing know when you've fired your last shot?
Hows it work?
http://www.laruetactical.com/pact-club-timer-iii
I'd like it to try the ""Fast Drill"
http://pistol-training.com/fastest (down towards the bottom)
also, time my speed at a rack of steel plates, setup a few steel plates C.O.F.s and see if I can improve on them... and whatever other Challenges I can come up with for myself and a few shootin buds...
Seems fun..
ETA: Dumb question,
Hows this thing know when you've fired your last shot?
5/8/2012 11:51:39 PM
...the product description does mention a microphone...
5/9/2012 12:10:55 AM
Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
5/9/2012 9:31:08 AM
Originally Posted By 25MMSSG72:
...the product description does mention a microphone...
...the product description does mention a microphone...
Thats Helpful... Thanks...
5/9/2012 9:37:53 AM
Originally Posted By techbrute:
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Thats what I was worried about... I was wanting something that take the human error or reaction time out of it... If I'm timing someone, I'm afraid it might take me 2-3 or some seconds or Milliseconds longer to hit the button than it should and I would tarnish their time...
b. What do the judges or R.O.s use to time us at IPSC, IDPA, Steel Plates, 3 Gun and other matches??? I guess thats what I'm looking for.. Just not sure what to call it then..
I know when we shoot Steel Plates down at ARPC (our Gun club) there are like 6-8 lanes side by side in a row and there is a stage setup in each one, each one has a R.O. and a ""Squad" of up to 12 shooters, and all lanes run at the same time...
5/9/2012 10:56:22 AM
Originally Posted By smullen:
Thats Helpful... Thanks...
Originally Posted By 25MMSSG72:
...the product description does mention a microphone...
...the product description does mention a microphone...
Thats Helpful... Thanks...
I wasn't trying to come across as a smartass, just thought you might not have seen that bit...
5/9/2012 11:03:55 AM
Originally Posted By smullen:
a. Thats what I was worried about... I was wanting something that take the human error or reaction time out of it... If I'm timing someone, I'm afraid it might take me 2-3 or some seconds or Milliseconds longer to hit the button than it should and I would tarnish their time...
b. What do the judges or R.O.s use to time us at IPSC, IDPA, Steel Plates, 3 Gun and other matches??? I guess thats what I'm looking for.. Just not sure what to call it then..
I know when we shoot Steel Plates down at ARPC (our Gun club) there are like 6-8 lanes side by side in a row and there is a stage setup in each one, each one has a R.O. and a ""Squad" of up to 12 shooters, and all lanes run at the same time...
Originally Posted By techbrute:
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Thats what I was worried about... I was wanting something that take the human error or reaction time out of it... If I'm timing someone, I'm afraid it might take me 2-3 or some seconds or Milliseconds longer to hit the button than it should and I would tarnish their time...
b. What do the judges or R.O.s use to time us at IPSC, IDPA, Steel Plates, 3 Gun and other matches??? I guess thats what I'm looking for.. Just not sure what to call it then..
I know when we shoot Steel Plates down at ARPC (our Gun club) there are like 6-8 lanes side by side in a row and there is a stage setup in each one, each one has a R.O. and a ""Squad" of up to 12 shooters, and all lanes run at the same time...
I'm sorry if I posted information that wasn't clear. I both own and recommend the Pact III, but sometimes getting the necessary info across in writing is difficult.
a) There's no human error involved. You push GO, then the beeper sounds (or there's a countdown to a beep, depending on how you have it set.) It listens for the shots and marks the time of each. When you stop shooting, you have a readout of the total time (thus far). If you were to fire another shot, the readout would update. You can use the up and down arrows to "scroll" through each shot (split and total time.) It will continue to "run" until you hit "Go" to start the next string.
b) Chance are they are using the PACT III. It is the most widely used timer, as far as I know, and certainly within my (very) limited experience. My comment about multiple shooters is accurate, within certain criteria. I use the PACT III at an indoor range, when I am there by myself or with a friend. It works great in that environment. Outdoors, it is tolerant to another shooter "in the distance", but not really close. The large matches I've seen usually have a completely different range/bay for another shooter, so that works fine. The "microphone" that they mention, from my observation of the unit, is more of a pressure plate. Enough sound pressure will trip it, but lower pressure won't (e.g. a shooter in another outdoor bay.) It is pretty much useless with muliples in an indoor range, though, as the increased pressure makes it prone to pick up EVERY shot, not just yours.
Basically, if you are shooting by yourself, the PACT III is good to go. No timer is going to work indoors with multiple shooters. The PACT is a good price point, and works well enough for the VAST majority of shooters and matches. It has enough features to get by, and for just personal use is 100% capable. Other, more expensive timers add features, but I don't know that they function better.
Other, more experienced shooters may have a better view on the subject, but I can say that I recommend the PACT III with no hesitation.
5/9/2012 11:11:05 AM
Originally Posted By 25MMSSG72:
I wasn't trying to come across as a smartass, just thought you might not have seen that bit...
Originally Posted By smullen:
Thats Helpful... Thanks...
Originally Posted By 25MMSSG72:
...the product description does mention a microphone...
...the product description does mention a microphone...
Thats Helpful... Thanks...
I wasn't trying to come across as a smartass, just thought you might not have seen that bit...
its all good... I read it and seen that it had a mic and I assumed thats hwo it couted the shots, just wasn't sure on the mechanics or logics of how it stopped counting...
I wasn't sure if if you just pushed the button when done and it just counted the time from 1st shot till the time the last recorded shot came in...
So say, I'm holding it, release the button, BUZZ, pop, pop, pop, pop,.................. I hit the button 5 secs after last shot, becasue I'm slow on the button, lol, is it smart enought to just cout the elapsed time from the 1st to last shot and my slow button pushing doesn't add the 5 seconds, or does it add till I hit the Green button...
I know I made that way longer than it needed to be, but I did know know how to relay my thought process in a more consise manner.. :)
Nothing I read on Larue's site, Midways, Brownells, or Pacts really went into detail on the timming process...
I'm sure its something simple, but I'm not seeing it..
The reviews on Brownells and Midway look decent...
I ordered one this morning, figure we'll give it a try...
5/9/2012 11:14:37 AM
Originally Posted By techbrute:
I'm sorry if I posted information that wasn't clear. I both own and recommend the Pact III, but sometimes getting the necessary info across in writing is difficult.
a) There's no human error involved. You push GO, then the beeper sounds (or there's a countdown to a beep, depending on how you have it set.) It listens for the shots and marks the time of each. When you stop shooting, you have a readout of the total time (thus far). If you were to fire another shot, the readout would update. You can use the up and down arrows to "scroll" through each shot (split and total time.) It will continue to "run" until you hit "Go" to start the next string.
b) Chance are they are using the PACT III. It is the most widely used timer, as far as I know, and certainly within my (very) limited experience. My comment about multiple shooters is accurate, within certain criteria. I use the PACT III at an indoor range, when I am there by myself or with a friend. It works great in that environment. Outdoors, it is tolerant to another shooter "in the distance", but not really close. The large matches I've seen usually have a completely different range/bay for another shooter, so that works fine. The "microphone" that they mention, from my observation of the unit, is more of a pressure plate. Enough sound pressure will trip it, but lower pressure won't (e.g. a shooter in another outdoor bay.) It is pretty much useless with muliples in an indoor range, though, as the increased pressure makes it prone to pick up EVERY shot, not just yours.
Basically, if you are shooting by yourself, the PACT III is good to go. No timer is going to work indoors with multiple shooters. The PACT is a good price point, and works well enough for the VAST majority of shooters and matches. It has enough features to get by, and for just personal use is 100% capable. Other, more expensive timers add features, but I don't know that they function better.
Other, more experienced shooters may have a better view on the subject, but I can say that I recommend the PACT III with no hesitation.
Originally Posted By smullen:
a. Thats what I was worried about... I was wanting something that take the human error or reaction time out of it... If I'm timing someone, I'm afraid it might take me 2-3 or some seconds or Milliseconds longer to hit the button than it should and I would tarnish their time...
b. What do the judges or R.O.s use to time us at IPSC, IDPA, Steel Plates, 3 Gun and other matches??? I guess thats what I'm looking for.. Just not sure what to call it then..
I know when we shoot Steel Plates down at ARPC (our Gun club) there are like 6-8 lanes side by side in a row and there is a stage setup in each one, each one has a R.O. and a ""Squad" of up to 12 shooters, and all lanes run at the same time...
Originally Posted By techbrute:
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Basically, as long as it is on, it is running. There is not "last shot" until you push the "Go" button to start it over. It keeps listening for shots.
b. You cannot use a shot timer at a range with other people.
a. Thats what I was worried about... I was wanting something that take the human error or reaction time out of it... If I'm timing someone, I'm afraid it might take me 2-3 or some seconds or Milliseconds longer to hit the button than it should and I would tarnish their time...
b. What do the judges or R.O.s use to time us at IPSC, IDPA, Steel Plates, 3 Gun and other matches??? I guess thats what I'm looking for.. Just not sure what to call it then..
I know when we shoot Steel Plates down at ARPC (our Gun club) there are like 6-8 lanes side by side in a row and there is a stage setup in each one, each one has a R.O. and a ""Squad" of up to 12 shooters, and all lanes run at the same time...
I'm sorry if I posted information that wasn't clear. I both own and recommend the Pact III, but sometimes getting the necessary info across in writing is difficult.
a) There's no human error involved. You push GO, then the beeper sounds (or there's a countdown to a beep, depending on how you have it set.) It listens for the shots and marks the time of each. When you stop shooting, you have a readout of the total time (thus far). If you were to fire another shot, the readout would update. You can use the up and down arrows to "scroll" through each shot (split and total time.) It will continue to "run" until you hit "Go" to start the next string.
b) Chance are they are using the PACT III. It is the most widely used timer, as far as I know, and certainly within my (very) limited experience. My comment about multiple shooters is accurate, within certain criteria. I use the PACT III at an indoor range, when I am there by myself or with a friend. It works great in that environment. Outdoors, it is tolerant to another shooter "in the distance", but not really close. The large matches I've seen usually have a completely different range/bay for another shooter, so that works fine. The "microphone" that they mention, from my observation of the unit, is more of a pressure plate. Enough sound pressure will trip it, but lower pressure won't (e.g. a shooter in another outdoor bay.) It is pretty much useless with muliples in an indoor range, though, as the increased pressure makes it prone to pick up EVERY shot, not just yours.
Basically, if you are shooting by yourself, the PACT III is good to go. No timer is going to work indoors with multiple shooters. The PACT is a good price point, and works well enough for the VAST majority of shooters and matches. It has enough features to get by, and for just personal use is 100% capable. Other, more expensive timers add features, but I don't know that they function better.
Other, more experienced shooters may have a better view on the subject, but I can say that I recommend the PACT III with no hesitation.
All good and I agree...
Some of my reading on various sites, a bit of "youtubeing" and your last posts comments have me pretty much straighened out I think...
Thanks for the info....
5/9/2012 11:22:12 AM
One thing to note that may add a little clarity (or really f things up) is that the readout does not show a "real time" count. Aside from a countdown to beep when you press the GO button, it only shows 3 static times: last shot (large), first shot (small), and last split (small). When it hears another shot, it simply updates the two readouts of the last shot and last split. That's why there's nothing you need to hit to "stop" the timer. The timer is not actually shown.
