what new gun should i get ?
i want a rifle that i can do it all with, but not sure what to get. i saw the colt LE6920MP-FDE at my local gun shop that i thought was a pretty bad ass gun and wanted to get your input on. with all these new guns coming out idk whether to get that which is more of traditional ar15 or pick up the ACR or SCAR, which are more of a modern weapon.
Go with the AR its a common weapon that although in different forms and function is used by civilaian,LEO and military..accessories and parts are plenty so theres a great support system and its easy for the end user to keep in good repair and service.Proprietary weapon systems means harder to get parts and service and nothing around now has offered any considerable advantages to warrant knocking the M16/M4/AR15 off its thrown..its the 1911 of the rifle world and if piston systems tickle your fancy there are plenty of drop ins like Osprey and Adams Arms that offer that type of operation with the convienance of at least in the Osprey one has the advantage of being taken off quickly to be converted back to Direct gas function..also after your first AR get a second one identical because 2 is 1 and 1 is none.
ACR and SCAR are designed from the ground up as piston rod operation and thats been around since M1 rifle,M14,AK hardly a new concept.Pistons are great they run cleaner and cooler but a well lubed with slip2000 EWL M4 or AR will run and run and run filthy as long as its lubed well so I dont see an advantage in a piston rifle except maybe running longer with no lube and running cooler and cleaner wich can contribute to longevity of parts...
With Pat Rogers Filthy14 performance from a mid legnth BCM made AR thats made to the same quality standards as a rifle the service would get its hard to justify changing from DI to piston rod operation. That rifle has gone 40k rounds on the same barrel has only been cleaned 3 times in 2 years and has had minimal parts replacement in the form of bolts and associated parts with the whole BCG,recoil spring but thats normal after alot of use changing extractors or ejectors and springs the recoil springs or repalcing the entire bolt ,gas rings and so on, and EAG runs weapons hard.Ars dont have to white glove inspection clean to work just well lubed regularly.
I have both..I have 4 ARs all DI and basically the same and I built 3 identical uppers to those weapons that have Osprey416 conversions..even with that my spare parts support are all DI operation parts because I know the piston system I have is unique and although I have some spare parts for them its too expensive to keep spares for all 3 when I can purchase 3x the number of spare parts for direct impingement operation...besides with 3 converted I could always canabilize those for spares to keep one running if need be or just convert back to DI operation.
Stick with a standard design that has great support in parts and easy do it yourself maintinence andything else will cost more in the longrun for parts and service because like any machine nothings 100% reliable especially as its used and used and used at some point everything needs service or replacement parts and your financial situation will dictate that..cost is always a factor in not only maintaining but choosing a weapon system to rely on.
what he said.
Jump on that Colt OP.
I own all three you named. Actually, I own at least two of all three. (4 6920s, 2 SCAR 16s, 1 SCAR 17, 2 enhanced profile ACRs)
They are heavy, and worse the are front heavy, partly because of the integrated barrel wrench. This isn't a fatal flaw, as my SIG 556 SWAT is similar. But the SIG is $1000 new if you shop well. And there's nothing about the ACR I like that the SIG doesn't do equally well. In fact, I think the SIG is the best comparison for the ACR.
You want my advice? Buy the Colt 6920 and figure out what shooting a baseline tactical rifle should require.
I love the SCARs, but it's not the right rifle for someone buying their first and not knowing what to expect, especially for $2000+. I have come to liking my SCARs more and more, the longer I've owned them.
I have had the opposite experience with my ACRs. Nothing wrong with them, except at the $2000ish price point they aren't nearly as compelling to me as the SCAR is. I traded two commercial spec ARs for my third SCAR, but would not do the opposite side of that trade.
I would trade an ACR for a pair of AR15s, (particularly for a pair of Colts, if someone wants to take me up on it). I would not give up two ARs for another ACR.
My quibbles with the ACR are:
Bushmaster put their 1:9 twist barrel on it, which was a silly decision on a military pattern advanced piston carbine
It hasn't been particularly well supported by Bushmaster, which hasn't seemed to come through with much follow-up at all on the primary selling features of the rifle
id get a basic AR mybe colt or RRA. i love scars there sweet but there very exspensive. another one of my fav rifles is the larue predatAR its on my list too get.
thanks for all your advice! in the next couple days ill probably go back to the gun shop and purchase that colt i saw.
i had i old bushmaster for awhile that i sold because i didnt like it. heavy gun especially in the front and it was a used gun that was a bit beat up.