Where are the 6.5 Grendel guys??
And where are you getting parts from? Ive been looking around and am not having much luck finding parts, just wondering if there are any sites Im missing.
most of the grendel stuff is on back order with long wait times as of now.
hopefully more manufacturers come online. i hear saturn is going to start making grendel again this fall
What are you looking for?
I recently cancelled an order with AA for a complete upper and bought a complete AA rifle from a dealer instead. Turned my wait from 8+ weeks to 3 days (shipping time).
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
What are you looking for?
I suppose just a barrel, bolt, and muzzle device as its the only thing 6.5 specific am I right?
I figured Id be sent to the 6.5 forum but frankly Im just more of a fan of ARFCOM and the 6.5 forum doesnt seem to get much action.
Thanks guys, I was hoping Id find some hidden suppliers but I see I have to wait in line with everyone else

Originally Posted By pathfinder03:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
What are you looking for?
I suppose just a barrel, bolt, and muzzle device as its the only thing 6.5 specific am I right?
I figured Id be sent to the 6.5 forum but frankly Im just more of a fan of ARFCOM and the 6.5 forum doesnt seem to get much action.
Thanks guys, I was hoping Id find some hidden suppliers but I see I have to wait in line with everyone else

and magazine
Have you looked at ar15performance?
I just ordered a new Grendel upper from "Precision Firearms", should be here in 6-8 weeks. Not too bad I guess, better than the 8 month wait for my first one from Alexander Arms back in 2008/9
Precision Firearms
Indy
I shot my ARP 6.5 last weekend, I'm a happy camper. I used c-products and pri 6.8 mags and hornady 123s.
ARP might still have barrels and bolts in stock. 5/8x24 threaded muzzle to boot, I just put on an A2 hider to start.
If you are building your own Midwayusa still have their AR Stoner barrels in stock, 18" & 16". Might check J & T distributing, I have read small AR parts are in short supply which is causing delays. Kind of sounds like 3 or 4 years ago all over again.
Originally Posted By Operator42:
I shot my ARP 6.5 last weekend, I'm a happy camper. I used c-products and pri 6.8 mags and hornady 123s.
ARP might still have barrels and bolts in stock. 5/8x24 threaded muzzle to boot, I just put on an A2 hider to start.
Same here, i still have one Grendel, but it is getting sold also, my Satern equipped .264 LBC and my .264 ARP will fill the safe, the Satern being 24" and the ARP 18"
I've been kicking around the idea of building a .264ARP for a few months now. I just got my Mega billet matched set last night.

What buffer weight are you guys using w/ carbine spring on your Grendel?
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
What buffer weight are you guys using w/ carbine spring on your Grendel?
I'm using a Spikes ST-T2 on my AA mid-length.
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
What buffer weight are you guys using w/ carbine spring on your Grendel?
I'm using a Spikes ST-T2 on my AA mid-length.
Some people over at the 6.5 grendel forum use an H3 buffer (5.4 oz) just like a rifle buffer w/ very good result. Considering that a 6.5 bullet weighs about 2x that of a 5.56, this sounds feasible. Sorry , do not mean to hijack the thread.
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
What buffer weight are you guys using w/ carbine spring on your Grendel?
I'm using a Spikes ST-T2 on my AA mid-length.
Some people over at the 6.5 grendel forum use an H3 buffer (5.4 oz) just like a rifle buffer w/ very good result. Considering that a 6.5 bullet weighs about 2x that of a 5.56, this sounds feasible. Sorry , do not mean to hijack the thread.
Mine was purchased as a complete AA rifle and it appears (I didn't actually weigh it) AA shipped it with a standard carbine buffer. Went straight to the ST-T2 before firing the first shot based on the recommendation of others. Probably would have ran just fine with the AA carbine buffer, but I never bothered to try it.
There are a lot of developments going on with the Grendel. The 2nd batch of 10000rds of steel case is on the way for testing, more and more people are buying Grendel rifles, parts, and ammo, and a great resource for reloaders is in the works.
Additionally, people are having bolt guns & Mini-30's built in Grendel, & Vepr is making AK's in it, so yeah-nothing really going on.
We're also seeing some promising results with a different powder, getting unbelievable velocities with 130gr VLD-type pills, including the
Swift Scirrocco II.
I've got my upper and lower ready for my Grendel build.
I'm shopping for a good barrel/bolt kit now...
So TAG.
I bought my 18" barrel from a local gun shop who had one of the AA barrels left. However, I have found a few site that make barrels.
Surplus Ammo and Arms has Blackhole Weaponry Barrels in stock. And from what I have read on here, they seem to be pretty ok.
http://www.surplusammo.com/blackhole-weaponry-ar-15-18-mid-length-stainless-steel-6-5-grendel-1-9-poly-barrel/
Double Star has Stainless Bull Barrels as well
Double Star Bull Barrels
J&T Distributing is also one of the manufacturers using Grendel chambers and bolts:
J&T 6.5 Grendel Barrels
Rifles, Uppers, Barrels
Alexander Arms
Christiansen Arms
LAR Mfg
Les Baer (Originally a Grendel chamber)
J&T Distributing
JP Enterprises
Loki Weapon Systems
Precision Firearms
Sabre Defense (shut down by ATF, but products are still out there)
Templar Customs
Just Barrels:
Satern
There are also companies that are making .264 LBC rifles, uppers, and barrels, even though the Grendel chamber is SAAMI approved:
Black Hole Weaponry
Liberty Barrels
Les Baer
AR Performance
All the powder companies are putting out data for SAAMI Grendel chambers, so you'll have to figure out your own COAL and loads with the variant chambers. Since there are such a wide variety of 6.5mm projectiles available, the compound throat angle of the Grendel chamber is meant to accommodate as many as possible, while facilitating maximum use of the Grendel's powder capacity and case volume, which isn't a lot to work with given the constraints of the AR15 magazine.
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
There are a lot of developments going on with the Grendel. The 2nd batch of 10000rds of steel case is on the way for testing, more and more people are buying Grendel rifles, parts, and ammo, and a great resource for reloaders is in the works.
Additionally, people are having bolt guns & Mini-30's built in Grendel, & Vepr is making AK's in it, so yeah-nothing really going on.
We're also seeing some promising results with a different powder, getting unbelievable velocities with 130gr VLD-type pills, including the
Swift Scirrocco II.
Glad to hear that progress is still being made on the steel case ammo.
In the meantime, I have handloads that I need get off my ass and go test.
Right here.
Haven't got a 6.5, myself yet, I'm waiting until I get back from Astan and get a set of dies to load rounds.
6.5 is one of my favorite calibers, though.
My project when I get my reloading set up is an A2 clone, difference being it chambered for 6.5. Don't ask me why, I had that idea out of the blue one day and totally fell in love with it, heh.
The 6.5G in a lightweight bolt gun is appealing to me. I think a 20" barrel, in a synthetic stock, with a detachable magazine that will allow the longer loading, or that can be modified to do that from a .308 mag would be awesome.
The CZ 527 Kevlar seems born for 6.5 Grendel. A buddy of mine is getting 2650-2700fps with the 139gr Lapua Scenar out of his, which was built by CZ's custom shop using a 22" Douglas select match pipe. Shoots .25 MOA groups at 100yds. If you were to run the 130gr VLD's out of it at 2650fps +, you would have a great little 1000yd gun for target, or 129gr Hornady's and 130gr Scirrocco II's would make a killer little mountain rifle for Antelope, deer, etc.
Grendel Porn
18in Saturn Fluted Barrel with cut rifling.
Your plate carrier is hilarious! Nice blaster, and excellent group. Is that how it shoots with factory 123gr AMAX?
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Your plate carrier is hilarious! Nice blaster, and excellent group. Is that how it shoots with factory 123gr AMAX?
Factory Hornady 123 AMAX. Note I am not an expert marksman, the gun makes me look good.
gotta love the 6.5. i've had mine now for about a year now (SBR config) and really like it. generally shoots about 1.5 MOA with the Wolf MPT and 1 MOA with the Hornady AMAX offerings. Am still trying to connect it with some of those pesky coyotes that lurk around near my house. i run a 308 suppressor on it and it has become one of my most favorite variations/calibers for general purpose anything - especially hunting. my build was about as cheap as they come going with a model 1 sales barrel & bolt. I'm thinking about picking up another one from J&T possibly or ARP. When the steel cased Wolf hits the market it will really open up the popularity i think for those who want a little more ummmmphhh than the 223. if you visit the 6.5 forums there is a reloading thread on loading up subsonics that some folks are getting their guns to cycle with.
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?2271-Anyone-come-up-with-a-action-Cycling-Subsonic-Load-yet

Posted this earlier last week. Finally got my Vortex Viper PST FFP 6-24x50 in
after being backordered for 5 months. This is the final config for this rifle.
If I was building a new one, I'd go with an ARP barrel due to availability.
Obligatory picture:

Where are the 6.5 Grendel guys??
Out killing sage rats! Almost to much fun to be legal.

I'm new to the Grendel, so this is my first. I wanted something fairly light and compact because I plan on carrying it in the field (hunting). Here is mine:
Crappy ipad pic of my Grendel build.
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The CZ 527 Kevlar seems born for 6.5 Grendel. A buddy of mine is getting 2650-2700fps with the 139gr Lapua Scenar out of his, which was built by CZ's custom shop using a 22" Douglas select match pipe. Shoots .25 MOA groups at 100yds. If you were to run the 130gr VLD's out of it at 2650fps +, you would have a great little 1000yd gun for target, or 129gr Hornady's and 130gr Scirrocco II's would make a killer little mountain rifle for Antelope, deer, etc.
Have you hear of anybody useing the"gliding metal" bullets because i read that they produce less pressure, which would be good for the grendel because of the shoulder angle not allowing for real high psi right" i dont reload yet so i was just wondering.
Originally Posted By tallhorse89:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The CZ 527 Kevlar seems born for 6.5 Grendel. A buddy of mine is getting 2650-2700fps with the 139gr Lapua Scenar out of his, which was built by CZ's custom shop using a 22" Douglas select match pipe. Shoots .25 MOA groups at 100yds. If you were to run the 130gr VLD's out of it at 2650fps +, you would have a great little 1000yd gun for target, or 129gr Hornady's and 130gr Scirrocco II's would make a killer little mountain rifle for Antelope, deer, etc.
Have you hear of anybody useing the"gliding metal" bullets because i read that they produce less pressure, which would be good for the grendel because of the shoulder angle not allowing for real high psi right" i dont reload yet so i was just wondering.
The Grendel's shoulder angle doesn't limit its pressure capacity. I've heard of gilding metal jackets, but not gliding metal. The Grendel is a high-pressure cartridge. The .222 Remington-based bolt geometry in the AR15 is not. Even with standard Grendel bolts, you still get an efficient little cartridge in the AR15 platform that retains a lot of energy at distance, compared to other dual-column cartridges that will fit in the AR15 magazine and frame.
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By tallhorse89:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The CZ 527 Kevlar seems born for 6.5 Grendel. A buddy of mine is getting 2650-2700fps with the 139gr Lapua Scenar out of his, which was built by CZ's custom shop using a 22" Douglas select match pipe. Shoots .25 MOA groups at 100yds. If you were to run the 130gr VLD's out of it at 2650fps +, you would have a great little 1000yd gun for target, or 129gr Hornady's and 130gr Scirrocco II's would make a killer little mountain rifle for Antelope, deer, etc.
Have you hear of anybody useing the"gliding metal" bullets because i read that they produce less pressure, which would be good for the grendel because of the shoulder angle not allowing for real high psi right" i dont reload yet so i was just wondering.
The Grendel's shoulder angle doesn't limit its pressure capacity.
I've heard of gilding metal jackets, but not gliding metal. The Grendel is a high-pressure cartridge. The .222 Remington-based bolt geometry in the AR15 is not. Even with standard Grendel bolts, you still get an efficient little cartridge in the AR15 platform that retains a lot of energy at distance, compared to other dual-column cartridges that will fit in the AR15 magazine and frame.
Type o

ok so would the
gilding metal bullets help the bolt issue?
More grendel porn

Really isn't a bolt issue, like many firearms if you dramatically overload it stuff breaks. Give me enough Bullseye and I can destroy nearly any rifle you choose.
Gilding metal is a normal bullet jacket material and has a typical CuZn10% composition. Within this there are some slight variations including the use of tin in the alloy but the recipe is fairly constant. The biggest variations seen are actually in the processing of the alloy and how much it is work hardened during the manufacture of the bullet.
The usual way to address the pressure of a given bullet weight is to examine the bearing surface as this has a correlation to the engraving force. Bore riders are the best example of an extreme approach to this problem. However have a mind that reduction of engraving force is a double edged sword. If the force is too low then problems will result from this lack of initial pressure build in low temperature environments. Smokeless powder is pressure dependent for its burn so if too cold and not given any (enough) resistance you will see hang fires, squibs and breach detonations.
Originally Posted By AlexanderArms:
Really isn't a bolt issue, like many firearms if you dramatically overload it stuff breaks. Give me enough Bullseye and I can destroy nearly any rifle you choose.
Gilding metal is a normal bullet jacket material and has a typical CuZn10% composition. Within this there are some slight variations including the use of tin in the alloy but the recipe is fairly constant. The biggest variations seen are actually in the processing of the alloy and how much it is work hardened during the manufacture of the bullet.
The usual way to address the pressure of a given bullet weight is to examine the bearing surface as this has a correlation to the engraving force. Bore riders are the best example of an extreme approach to this problem. However have a mind that reduction of engraving force is a double edged sword. If the force is too low then problems will result from this lack of initial pressure build in low temperature environments. Smokeless powder is pressure dependent for its burn so if too cold and not given any (enough) resistance you will see hang fires, squibs and breach detonations.
u sir need to write a book.
Originally Posted By tallhorse89:
Originally Posted By AlexanderArms:
Really isn't a bolt issue, like many firearms if you dramatically overload it stuff breaks. Give me enough Bullseye and I can destroy nearly any rifle you choose.
Gilding metal is a normal bullet jacket material and has a typical CuZn10% composition. Within this there are some slight variations including the use of tin in the alloy but the recipe is fairly constant. The biggest variations seen are actually in the processing of the alloy and how much it is work hardened during the manufacture of the bullet.
The usual way to address the pressure of a given bullet weight is to examine the bearing surface as this has a correlation to the engraving force. Bore riders are the best example of an extreme approach to this problem. However have a mind that reduction of engraving force is a double edged sword. If the force is too low then problems will result from this lack of initial pressure build in low temperature environments. Smokeless powder is pressure dependent for its burn so if too cold and not given any (enough) resistance you will see hang fires, squibs and breach detonations.
u sir need to write a book.
+10!!!! Finally someuseful info out of one of the threads and not bickering. AA don't be afraid to continue the lesson. And everyone else don't be afraid to show off some porn and some results, the ideas are very much appreciated!!
So far I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go with the AA barrel and bolt and I'm thinking an 18 incher. This won't be an overnight build so waiting for the real deal wont bother me.
I'm planning on using my Colt 6920 lower on my Grendel upper arrives until I get a dedicated lower for it. Am I going to have problems using the stock Colt carbine buffer?
OK, I'll play!
28" GSR in front, 24" GDMR in back!
18" Piston Grendel, 19.5" GDMR, then one that doesn't belong! (7mm WSM).
18" Ultralite
And the folks over at Grendel Forums are very helpful, and doing LOTS of testing to find optimum reloading options. Come on over!
Originally Posted By Brandi:
I'm planning on using my Colt 6920 lower on my Grendel upper arrives until I get a dedicated lower for it. Am I going to have problems using the stock Colt carbine buffer?
Nope! I've used rifle buffers, carbine buffers, Enidine carbine buffers (the one designed for the Grendel!) and they all work.
I have not attempted to replace this build that I sold to get my first suppressor....
But I will one day.
16" bead blasted SS middy
TRX VTAC 11"
Modstock
YHM 762 QD
Leupold 4-12x40 Rifleman in a Burris PEPR QD mount
Perhaps the next 6.5G will be an 18" fluted in a Mega Monolithic Tubular receiver.
Here's mine...
I need a new handguard and I want to make it as light as possible, any suggestions will be appreciated!

The Midwest Industries 12" Lo-Profile handguard is probably the lightest I have felt so far, and very slim as well. It comes with 3 rail sections and a bipod stud too.
Here's what it looks like:

^ This! I put one on my 18" Grendel build, and I was amazed! My buddy who just did his first build was pissed at his YHM handguard tube at being so much heavier than mine! Well worth the $$$. (which is a great deal anyways)
Originally Posted By slowmethinks:
^ This! I put one on my 18" Grendel build, and I was amazed! My buddy who just did his first build was pissed at his YHM handguard tube at being so much heavier than mine! Well worth the $$$. (which is a great deal anyways)
Another+1 for the MI SS tube. I got a 15 incher on my 20" lightweight build, it blows every other tube outta the water!
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Ya'll have some really nice 6.5 rigs. Check out the Apex Gators for a bad ass free float tube.