New Product Sharps 2010 Carbine

Sharps Rifle Company is releasing a new rifle in time for Shot Show

Our goal was to build on a strong lineage of style and durable design. This would be the first new design under the Sharps name in over 125 years and we felt we had a lot to live up to.
Our engineering goal was to set a new level performance.
We started with most advanced piston system for consistent cycling and reliability, our patented bolt carrier assembly comes with a lifetime limited warranty. Each precision machined forged upper is mated to a custom billet lower receiver. The classic Sharps octagonal barrel features a perfect 1 in 8 twist, 5R rifling, Nitrided 16” barrel that lasts three to four times longer than chrome and is externally tougher than stainless. The barrel is topped with a Vortex G6A2 Integral flash-hider to make the Sharps 2010 carbine suppressor-ready. For mounting options, the rifle features a detachable free-floating Quad-Picatinny rail and comes standard with ACS Magpul stock, Miad grip and 2 P-Mag.s
Please visit www.sharpsmilspec.com or Contact info@sharpsmilspec.com
SharpsMilSpec is a division of the Sharps Rifle Company llc
www.sharpsriflecompany.com

I like the design, but it seems a little pricey. It looks to be an equivalent to a Larue OBR. Is there a mechanish behind the quick detach rail that allows for quick removal of barrels?

Negative on the quick release barrel, we looked at this and felt it would affect accuracy. The quick release rail is 0 return for your scope or optics. Dis-assembly is easy with our one piece rod/spring assembly and the beefy octagonal barrel nut not only looks great but functions better than standard ones due to it's length. On the price issue we are about $300 less than the OBR from what I could see and I think our stock, grip and flash hider are more desirable. You should also pay special attention to the barrel. 5R rifling is a key feature. If you add-up all the component features I think you'll see we are a bargain at current pricing. These are near custom builds, only 250 will be made this year.
Thanks for checking us out
www.sharpsmilspec.com
www.sharpsriflecompany.com

I like the rifle. I question why the name Sharps MilSpec, when nothing on that rifle resembles Mil-Spec. Market has enough proprietary takes on the AR platform, but seems to be lacking in basic, quality, Mil-Spec guns, save for a couple notable manufacturers. Regardless, good luck and welcome to the market.

Oh, I think you might have the twist rate explanation reversed. If your logic is that 1:8 is best for 16" barrel because it equates to two full turns, then why would 1:7 be better for longer barrels and 1:9 for shorter? If, by your statement below, two full turns is your ideal, wouldn't the faster twist be better for shorter barrels and the slower for longer?

Quote: "2. 1:8” Twist Rifling, 2 complete spins in 16” barrel handles heavy and light bullets well. 1:7 is better longer barrels, 1:9 is better for shorter barrels. 1:8 is just right for a 16″ barrel"

Based on my experience with the 3 Sharps lowers I bought I would respectfully suggest you remove "mil-spec" from your name. All 3 of my lowers required extensive filing, sanding, drilling to fit ANY upper I had in my inventory (3 LMT, 3 Colt, 2 Buchmaster, 1 Vltor, 2 BCM)

In each case I had to sand inside the FCG pocket behind the take down pin holes to make room for the rear lug of the upper. This was done with a drum on a dremmel. Then I had to drill out the take down pin hole on the left side of the receiver. All 3 of my Sharps lowers needed this before they would accept the pin. I also had to file across the face of the buffer tube opening to square it so the upper would fit. I felt like I was completing an 80% project.

Good luck selling your rifles sir.

You make some good observations but the rifle's name is "Sharps 2010". We did this for a couple of reasons, first,, before gun manufacturers got caught-up in the Military (M-16) and (AR15) designations the old school way was to use their name and the year the rifle was introduced. Heritage was a strong consideration during the development of this weapon. The octagonal barrel nut is clearly a Sharps trait, the contour of the front of the mag.well comes from the curve of the old leaver actions and the heavy duty charging handle has a built-in bottle opener, that idea grew from the coffee grinder stocks made during the civil war.
The name Sharps MilSpec is the division that manufactures the rifle. It's a division of the Sharps Rifle Company llc It's original direction was MilSpec level products starting with lower forged receivers, it didn't take long for us to see the lower and middle AR market was getting saturated, so we started enhancing the design during development. I guess we got a little carried away but the final product does the name proud. Believe me when I tell you we pushed for the very best in this rifle. We believe knowledgeable AR Riflemen will really appreciate it . If you go to the website there is a lot more detail about specs and design.
Thanks for your comments and checking out our posts
Please check out our other products as well.
The Sharps Rifle Company llc also owns
Merwin Hulbert Pistols http://www.merwinhulbertco.com/ The most advanced pistol of it's time
A-Square Safari Rifle & A-Square Ammunition http://www.asquareco.com/ Maker of the incredibly powerful .577 Tyrannasour
and Heiser Holsters http://www.hhheiser.com/

On the twist question,, there's a lot of personal preference and conjecture on this subject. We could of just gone with 1:7 or 1:9, heck it would of been cheaper.
Here's our point of view, longer barrels mean more surface for the bullet to make contact with. It's all about getting enough but not too much spin. You don't want to create tumble. Since most manufacturers already had 1:7 and 1:9 button twists, that's what they use. We believe a 16" barrel should be a 1:8, we didn't want to compromise just to save on build cost. We also added 5R rifling, something I don't think you'll find on any other AR barrel, plus we nitride coat the whole thing. Nitride process adds an additional heat stress relief and last 3 to 4 time longer than chrome. This barrel kicks ass.
We will be selling the barrel separately next year. Go to our site and read about 5R rifling, once you see that, you won't want any other barrel.
www.sharpsmilspec.com
www.sharpsriflecompany.com
Thanks for checking us out.

I have to tell you, you're right. Last year we contracted with a well known machine shop to make those lowers for us. They couldn't keep the tolerances we specified. Some were right on and some were a little off. They were whole-saled out. For $50.00 you couldn't beat them. We discontinued working with that shop and did 2 things, we went to billet on the new rifle so that all specs would be perfect and we are working on a special program to create a second generation forged lower that will be spot-on. You won't get these for $50.00
You have to see the billet lower in-person to really appreciate it, it really looks stealthy and actually makes the whole rifle stronger. Our future plans include a billet lower that looks just like forged but with perfect alignment.
www.sharpsmilspec.com.

Interesting rifle. I hope people have better luck than I've had with their lowers. All the holes are bigger and all the parts rattle around in the lower. The roll pins just slide in and out without any resistance.

Edit: punctuation and grammar

Thanks, ya some of those lowers were perfect, some were off, it was really luck of the draw.
Again that's why we went billet on the rifle and when we release the Gen II versions, they won't have any of the old problems.
Thanks for your input.

New images of the rifle will be will be posted in a few days along with some improvements to the rifle not yet disclosed.

You might want to buy more bandwidth. Here is what you are getting at this moment when trying to get into your MilSpec area:

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So you removed the piston system?

Im wondering why you think the low to mid priced AR market is over saturated? Sure, there are ALOT of offerings but very few good ones.

Well, it was definately NOT the way to get your name out there to the masses. One product and it's all seconds. With no first rate product, your name got associated immediately with those $50 out of spec lowers. In fact, when I saw this post I immediately chuckled and thought "oh, these clowns again". Unfortunately, you'll have an uphill road ahead due to your first offerings, I wish you the best overcoming that hurdle, and look forward to seeing some reviews.

As we introduce the flagship model, the Sharps 2010, I thought we'd pick a feature at a time and go over it in some detail.

As you may have noticed if you've checked our our site, we are going with 5R rifling. It was very important with us to break the mold here and not go with the standard land and groove. The rifling change is one example of our overall approach. Review every feature of any model of firearm we look at and question why every feature was chosen to be manufactured this way. If, like the rifling, the answer is "because its just done that way" we are going to test it and see if there is better. Standard land and groove rifling came about because it was functional and easier to cut, and then later formed with buttons. 5R is a worth while departure and what we believe to be one of the best designs readily available as an alternative. When I say "readily available" I don't want to incur the design teams wrath as the first quotes we received from 5R suppliers was around $500 a barrel. Many refused to even quote on a semi-automatic barrel. So working on this until we could afford to put this rifling into the barrel of our rifle was a triumph of networking and negotiation in and of itself. Back to 5R itself. Instead of 6 lands and groves, we'll have what we believe to be the superior 5 lands and grooves as custom gun builders and target shooters have preferred this over time and in fact each compressing land is across from a non-compressing groove, or simply the bullet isn't getting squeezed, and as well discuss, cut from the exact opposite side at the same time. Beyond that there is a 65 degree radius on the lands compared to the 90 degree of the regular rifling. Let's think on this a moment, especially you machinists out there, is a 90 degree sharp corner ever a really good idea in anything machined? Beyond the natural stress points in the barrel, it then imparts/cuts these to the jackets. Also, it makes a great place for fouling to build up in. By opening up the angle there isn't a square corner for fouling to get into, nor is it slicing the jacket on the bullet like a knife. The 5R should run smoother and cleaner longer, and do less damage to the projectile so overall it should be more accurate and more accurate longer. In the world of the AR where a few hundred to a thousand rounds is an average day at the range compared to a year or decade worth of shooting for a bolt action these features should prove even more valuable.

I'll end with a comment on that last term there, value. As some have already noticed. We aren't cheap, but we hope we will prove that we are an excellent value......the 5R barrel that from most manufacturers would run you $300-$500, if you can get one, is just one of these points of value on the 2010.

Next time, we'll go over the coating we place on these barrels to further accent the qualities we've just discussed and why we feel its a better choice than any other treatment we are aware of or have tested to date.


Thanks for taking the time to check us out.

We agree 110%, and we blocked about 15,000 receivers that were made, (and blocked another 20-40,000 more they wanted to produce slap our name on), but unfortunately the arbitration let 5000 out that were suppose to come with all sorts of disclosures, unfortunately they didn't, but there wasn't much we could do at that point. Despite all our due diligence and great references, we didn't get the product we were sure we would. Drop us a line, we'd like to hear more about the issues as these are some of the most serious problems we've heard, so we are curious where in the production run they fall. Its just really frustrating for us to hear such reports when we've also gotten reports from the blackwater training center that they were some of the best they built on. We've spent a year on our new lowers and uppers making sure we don't see these gremlins ever again.

On the wider picture we have other products coming including new cartridges, and not the rare hard to find proprietary rounds, but major manufacturer supported released in partnership with other major manufacturers. We appreciate your good wishes and hopefully will find good reviews coming in the future.

This is an excellent point.....and another good reason to continue to watch the site....we agree 100% that while saturated, much of it is me too carbine length systems with little originality that don't follow what the market is looking for.

But no, self regulating, no tool necessary, removable piston system is still on the rifle.

Interesting... Your website states that this rifle is "In stock and ready to ship". I would like to see some photos of one (other than the CAD images on your site) showing details of the gun, internals, piston system etc.

Make your Sharps AR in 45-70 and I'll buy one.

Give me a 18" mid length barrel and i would be interested. just the barrel though.

I second the pics comment, I can put up my own site with CAD images of guns I have designed :) Show me the finished product I should be impressed with!

I have a Shilo Rifle company 1863 reproduction Sharps rifle in 45-70. I have always loved these guns and am pretty tweaked that you guys are making AR's. How about a 20" octagonal barrel in 1-7 made for the heavyweight bullets. Flat top, single stage 4lb trigger, custom A2 style fixed stock and custom pistol grip. I know its asking a lot but you are the guys who got me started.

Just checked out the web site. What type of trigger is standard? Looks like it is gold colored. AR Gold??

It looks like a nice rifle. But the price you are asking is just ridiculous. If I am going to spend that kind of money on an AR it had better have some sights on it at least.

I have to agree...heck, even my Noveske 12.5" Crusader with the cost of the NFA stamp and transfer fee was less.

The price is absolutely obscene for what you get. Seriously.

Basically in the following we've got a pretty impressive list, we think, of features. The receiver being machined billet with a trigger guard that breaks the plain of the normal receiver bottom raised cost quite a bit on an already pricey process, but we wanted to make sure there is ample room for even the biggest gloved hand. 5R Barrels aren't cheap either. Most suppliers are asking 400-500 for just a barrel and most won't even make it for a semi-automatic. And those were OEM quantity quotes coming in at that price range. Warrantying the bolt for life is something I don't believe anyone else has done either. Then there is the removable forearm, the dead on electronic tuning we do before they leave the factory, etc. and the price is certainly not cheap, but not baseless either.

Here are the Spec.s Pics on the way
Sharps MilSpec+ 2010 Carbine

Serious Specs: Please compare, looking at the market we could of put a $2,999 tag on this one. If you really compare, and I'm sure you will. We believe a fair comparison will show this rifle to be an excellent value.

1. Nitrided 16” Barrel internally lasts 3-4x longer than chrome-lined barrels and externally tougher than stainless steel barrels. Less is needed for lubrication, cleaning, and higher velocity through less friction. Additionally the advanced piston block system and other components under the rail will also be nitrided so that when you slide off the rail it doesn't scratch like phosphate coatings can. (no on else offers this)

2. 1:8” Twist Rifling, which in our 16" barrel gives the bullet two complete rotations. 1:8" is the best match for the bullets most shooters use. It will stabilize up to as large as 80 grain bullet, but isn't so fast as to tear up sub-60 grain bullets. (no one else offers this.)

3. 5R Rifling for more accuracy and longer barrel life. see our "about 5R rifling section" on www.sharpsmilspec.com, it shows you a diagram of what the inside of the barrel looks like. (no one else offers this)

4. Sharps next generation, patented Piston System runs much cleaner, longer, more accurate and has
a sound suppression advantage. By balancing the pressure that cycles the weapon, hot loads, air temp, altitude changes or pressures in the barrel that changes when a suppressor are added are all controlled. The result is the most consistent cycle giving you unmatched performance regardless of conditions you can't change.

5. Patented bolt carrier assembly for much longer life with lifetime limited warranty. A piston system with the old standard wears out too soon for us.

6. Forged upper &, custom billet lower, both in 7075, matched sets. Zero gap.

7. Our own Quad-Picatinny Rail. 4-sides to use. Aluminum instead of plastic. Free-Floating for accuracy.
Front Handguard. Zero-Return: quick-release. Easy maintenance and you never have to remove or re-sight your optics, scope, lasers, flashlight, etc. staying at perfect zero when they’re reattached.

8. Top-of-the-line Magpul ACS buttstock with spare battery storage for optics, lasers, flashlight, etc.

9. Top-of-the-line Magpul’s MIAD pistol grip adjusts to your hand size. storage compartment inside.

10. Top-of-the-line Vortex G6A2 Integral flash-hider, sound suppressor ready (except certain states)

11. Two 30-round, famous PMAG magazines or Two 10-round magazines for certain states

12. 5.56mm x 45mm NATO (not just commercial .223) so yes you can shoot whole cases of military
surplus ammo or premium .223 hunting and target rounds.

DoD/GSA Cage Code 63CB8

I don't get the 2 full twists thing. You take a 16" barrel, extension doesn't count towards length, then we take out the 2.25" for the cartridge and a bit of throat. Not even a 1 in 7 quite makes two complete turns.

Consumers accept products all the time that may be superior to a military specification but that does not make them mil spec. The whole point of mil spec is to be a known and tested system that is compatible with military hardware like bayonets and launchers. This seems like the complete opposite of a mil spec rifle.

I don't know what to make of this statement. "A piston system with the old standard wears out too soon for us. "

Why waste our time with a drawing if you have a picture?

And the price is way too high...........

I spent 5 minutes checking the comparables, and I have no idea how you could justify that price.

Looks like a great rifle but I will need pics and a review before passing judgement.

I was going to post a very similar post to this and saw this. It seems like the over pricing comes from making their own products. They have made their own receivers, piston system (more info on it please), and also their own rail system. It seems that's why it costs $600-$1000 more over competitors.

Actually, I’m surprised that on one noticed but this looks to be Leitner-Wise (former LWRCi) design. She showed off this concept during last Shot Show.

Well, 45-70 is too long, but we do have a 50/70 model coming....will that work? And yes we are serious, but not the old 50/70, but the new 50/70 Auto..

We have barrels coming online as well and yes we'll have mid length barrels as well. 18" wasn't on the list, but we can certainly do a run of a hundred or so if there is interest. 16" & 20" are what we'll have first.

Well the barrel on the rifle now is 1/2 oct, 1/2 round. We've got a MIAD grip on there currently. 1:8 will go up to 80 grains pretty well depending on velocity, but down the road we are looking at something very similar and will have a custom shop to boot, but you better buy one of these now to tide you over ;) Seriously though, we love hearing what folks want out there, and yes we are listening.

Actually that is a CAD effect....hence we need the real pictures we know, but no, not an AR Gold, although we'll probably start carrying them as we have a few we've been testing and so far so good.

Thank you, and personally, I agree. They've got their photo date shortly and we'll have those pictures up.

When your right you are right. Rifling and barrel length have nothing to do with one another in all practical reality and when you throw the throat of the true 5.56m chamber in there over the 2.25" of the cartridge length you give up even more length than in a 223 chamber so in reality there isn't 2 full twists in there, looks like marketing did the math without talking to technical. This is why we can here first, because we knew you guys would find all the stuff that doesn't read right and let us hear it without hesitation. Thank you, we'll get this addressed, along with the other unclear phrases.


On the Mil Spec real quick. We are involved with the NSAC/NSATC and now a few other defense community groups. Some of the product mix on the corporate side is putting items up for sale to the folks who keep us all safe. Hence the name, but for here, yes, this far more than just spec.

I too think that your asking price is pretty out there for this rifle, however... Some people told me I was crazy for spending 2K on my LWRC or Knights guns too. When the ACRs first came out there was a lot of grumbling about their prices but people are still buying those guns as well. I don't mind spending a little more for something *IF* I know it is a reliable, quality product with above average customer service and positive reviews standing behind it. If you want to move this rifle, I think this is where you need to excel. Tag for detailed info on the specs and performance listed for this rifle and pics...

if i may ask, what relationship do you have to the original sharps rifle company? are you in fact a true successor, the same company or just using the name? this isn't a flame, it's a serious question.

good. do something unique , contribute to the platform.

there are already alot of very well made AR's and untill you have proven beyond doubt that your rifle is worth more , why would anyone choose your AR over a Noveske [ for example]?

i am sure you can do something good ––-the " thumper " concept is still in its birth pangs ...

I thought I'd put a quick post up about our 1/2 Octagonal, 1/2 Round barrel. Some light reading for your Sunday evening, Monday morning.

As some of you may have noticed, the back part of the barrel is indeed octagonal. Yes this is true to our Sharps heritage, and yes, we certainly think it looks good, but there are other reasons as well. First, the octagonal section and in fact its structure, provide us with a means of lowering weight while keeping structural strength. Second, the clearance between the piston and surface of the barrel is increased dramatically allowing the expelled gases to vent more effectively. It also makes removing the piston easier as well. These previous two points tie into the third. The ability of air to get in around the barrel under the handguard is increased allowing for greater cooling as well as gas venting and dissipation.

So here we truly had a chance to draw on the history of Sharps, bring touches of the past into the present, and bring truly practical benefits from doing so as well.

.450 Marlin can & has been done in the AR-10 platform.

http://www.ar-10-rifles.com/index.php

What in the world is this about?
I don't believe there is a difference in auto or semi-auto in a barrel.





Bill

There isn't a difference, and WTF, you can get a DD CHF barrel for $250 - $300 depending who you buy it from......and that's on the retail market!

Since no one has actually reviewed one of these rifles we can only go by the specs. According to what I read I'm inclined to agree with the others who say the pricing is out of line for what you get.

IMHO, there won't be very many people who will want to pay that much over other proven high quality AR15 style rifles. You will need to adjust your prices to be competetive.

They are talking about 5R barrels

Daniel

To further clarify, most suppliers only do 5R barrels for bolt-action rifles.

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