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XM855LFB What is it?
3/20/2012 8:58:00 AM
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
3/20/2012 9:34:57 AM
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Looks like you're right.
3/20/2012 11:32:47 AM
Ya thats it.....now whats the makeup of the bullet?....all copper??
3/21/2012 6:36:37 AM
Never seen that stuff before.
3/21/2012 10:08:36 AM
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
3/21/2012 12:22:48 PM
A pox on Federal for their stupid naming convention. I've given up trying to figure out what all that letter mumbo-jumbo means.
3/21/2012 4:29:30 PM
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
No, it isnt
3/21/2012 4:37:16 PM
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
No, it isnt
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
No, it isnt
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
3/21/2012 5:12:50 PM
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
No, it isnt
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
No, it isnt
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Copper with a tungsten powder/nylon core
3/21/2012 5:17:19 PM
It appears this is the failed tungsten/nylon version of 855 that was found to be toxic to the ground water.
3/21/2012 5:19:34 PM
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
Copper with a tungsten powder/nylon core
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
No, it isnt
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
No, it isnt
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Copper with a tungsten powder/nylon core
That seems like it would transfer a wonderfully effective amount on energy IN your target rather than through....
3/21/2012 5:56:25 PM
Originally Posted By BeelzeBob:
That seems like it would transfer a wonderfully effective amount on energy IN your target rather than through....
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
Copper with a tungsten powder/nylon core
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Originally Posted By ELPerdido:
No, it isnt
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
Just saw some of this for sale...Lead Free Bullet? Anybody know what M855LFB really is?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL3ZFTUsLiqw26pEbLqeDwHFw0jGOiNRJhpZ8JC5prNBuIn7sBkQ
Looks like you're right.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
No, it isnt
So what is it? All copper? Copper with steel core?
Copper with a tungsten powder/nylon core
That seems like it would transfer a wonderfully effective amount on energy IN your target rather than through....
Sounds like an indoor range cqb training round to me. I will have to see the actual contruction.
3/21/2012 6:44:51 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
A pox on Federal for their stupid naming convention. I've given up trying to figure out what all that letter mumbo-jumbo means.
A pox on Federal for their stupid naming convention. I've given up trying to figure out what all that letter mumbo-jumbo means.
+1 on that
3/21/2012 6:47:57 PM
Frangible?
3/21/2012 11:03:05 PM
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
The new 'Green' barrel eater ammo is officially called M855A1. Different powder, different primer, same case, 3 part projectile, and it runs quite a bit hotter, which imparts the speed downrange. It also is very hard on barrels, as it pushes the chamber pressure from the 55K of M855 to a very stiff 63,000PSI chamber pressure. It is going to shorten some parts lifespan, and it WILL finish off quite a few rifles if it is used en masse. 63K is approaching the proof load pressure, ie MAX pressure.
3/22/2012 12:01:02 AM
Thanks guys for the input..bottom line, is it worth having for stash?
3/22/2012 3:21:10 AM
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
Thanks guys for the input..bottom line, is it worth having for stash?
Thanks guys for the input..bottom line, is it worth having for stash?
What for? What does it do that M193 doesn't? Nothing. It's a failed Army project.
3/22/2012 4:48:29 AM
Is this like the M855A1 civilian sales designation?
The same as MK318 Mod 0 named AB49 for civilian use?
The same as MK318 Mod 0 named AB49 for civilian use?
3/22/2012 8:45:43 AM
Originally Posted By Willz:
Is this like the M855A1 civilian sales designation?
The same as MK318 Mod 0 named AB49 for civilian use?
Is this like the M855A1 civilian sales designation?
The same as MK318 Mod 0 named AB49 for civilian use?
No, it's a completely different round than the M855A1
3/22/2012 9:53:56 AM
Originally Posted By Willz:
Is this like the M855A1 civilian sales designation?
Is this like the M855A1 civilian sales designation?
This reads to me like a lead free training round with the same POI of standard M855.
3/22/2012 11:13:41 AM
I saw some of that at sportsmans the other day. Its like $17 for a box of 20. I will pass.
3/22/2012 2:44:32 PM
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
The new 'Green' barrel eater ammo is officially called M855A1. Different powder, different primer, same case, 3 part projectile, and it runs quite a bit hotter, which imparts the speed downrange. It also is very hard on barrels, as it pushes the chamber pressure from the 55K of M855 to a very stiff 63,000PSI chamber pressure. It is going to shorten some parts lifespan, and it WILL finish off quite a few rifles if it is used en masse. 63K is approaching the proof load pressure, ie MAX pressure.
Interdasting, is this the new big "green" army round?
The new 'Green' barrel eater ammo is officially called M855A1. Different powder, different primer, same case, 3 part projectile, and it runs quite a bit hotter, which imparts the speed downrange. It also is very hard on barrels, as it pushes the chamber pressure from the 55K of M855 to a very stiff 63,000PSI chamber pressure. It is going to shorten some parts lifespan, and it WILL finish off quite a few rifles if it is used en masse. 63K is approaching the proof load pressure, ie MAX pressure.
That is not what this stuff is. It is not M855A1... look at the picture, and you can see that.
What it probably is... is the tungsten/nylon core crap that ended up being more toxic and dangerous than plain lead, if you buy what DocGKR has to say about it. Personally, I wouldn't buy this crap.
3/22/2012 2:47:18 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
A pox on Federal for their stupid naming convention. I've given up trying to figure out what all that letter mumbo-jumbo means.
A pox on Federal for their stupid naming convention. I've given up trying to figure out what all that letter mumbo-jumbo means.
I think this time it is definetly different then the standard XM855 as it specifically says "Lead Free Bullet". All the others just designate how it is boxed.
I just searched google and I dont know why its so hard to find, but there is a PDF about this stuff showing why it was cancelled because the core was toxic and ended up showing up in ground water.
All I can find... LINK
e Army is concerned enough about possible risks that it has stopped making the tungsten ammo. “The U.S. Army developed a lead-free 5.56mm round during the mid 1990s with a tungsten-nylon alternate slug materiel. Environmental studies later determined that the tungsten-nylon combo had a possible environmental impact. The Army stopped production of its tungsten-nylon 5.56mm [rounds]
ETA: FINALLY found the pdf....LINK
3/22/2012 3:01:46 PM
