Anyone stock IMI ammo besides Wideners? Looking for some IMI M855

So what's the deal? Does anyone stock IMI ammo besides Wideners? They have had this 62 gr. M855 in stock forever (1200 round cases) and went up $30 a case on March 1, and then ran out at the end of the month. I called and it doesn't appear they're getting anymore in any time soon. So what's the deal. Are they an exclusive IMI distributor or did they just buy a boatload at one time and have still been sitting on a mound of inventory? I'd like to pickup another case. Also, is all the IMI ammo good to go? I know the M855 was some of the best surplus 5.56 bulk ammo ever imported.

PKFirearms has some in stock, but it's kind of pricey.at $549.00/1200.

I suspect they bought a bunch from Wideners and added their own markup to it.

That's insane. Yes, Wideners told me when i called that they had several freight orders at the end that wiped their inventory out. I won't do business with someone else because that's just price gouging/election hype type of pricing. It was $349 a case. To buy it and mark it up $200 a case is just too much, but I'm sure suckers will buy it come October. Truthfully, I hope they just have to sit on it.

yikes steel case is looking better and better

It's pretty obvious where the beloved ARFCOM site sponsor got their supply of IMI from. It's up to people whether or not you support their right to participate in capitalism or not.

Fortunately, I don't need to buy any from them at the moment. I guess if I had to 5+ months from now, i MIGHT consider it, but probably not. It's probably not so obvious where I stand on the subject, but I've had problems in the past from them if that helps any.

what has happened to the IMI stuff? have they stopped importing it or something? or are they making a false supply problem to boost price?

I highly doubt there's a false supply problem, they're not playing that game. Most likely, over-runs and imports come in batches. It's just probably the last of THIS batch is all.

I passed up a case a couple months back so now I'm stuck with getting steel case ammo... was going to burn off all the steel and go with an affordable brass... guess that is to much to ask now lol. I can't wait for the next batch then.

Kind of pricey...you aint kidding! Wideners spoiled us!!

thats a ridiculous increase but if somebody buys it then kudos to them i guess.

This was never that hard to understand.

We knew very well we have a media that will slant this election to their messiah and we knew that would cause anxiety in the gun world.

Exactly how far up your ass does your head need to be to not see the simplicity of this?

One, I do not feel sorry for people so out of touch with the real world that they are crying now that some one who has a clue realized there is gold in that IMI and the clueless will either pay $550.00 a case or pay $400-500.00 for steel cased come fall and think 550 is a bargain but all you guys that simply believe you are entitled to price controls (You may not actually say that but you infer it) will either pay stupid prices or not shoot.

I have no delusions about the feds kicking in my door. I stocked up on ammo and reloading supplies for the simple reason the obvious was screaming at me but when I mentioned that I was causing a panic that would never had happened if I had not mentioned, you got, the obvious.
I believe this will return to a sort of normal by the fall of 2013 but in the meantime I intend to shoot like its 2011 all over again

Suck it up and listen up. If you think the supply demand problem is bad at the retail level it is actually far worse at the distributor level and in a few months prices will sky rocket and supply trickle.

My advice is to stop being a victim and forget the price of butter being 5cents in the depression and IMI M855 $379.00 for 1200 last month and jump on $350.00 for a 1,000 round case of 55gr as many as you can.

Or, don't shoot. I like having the range to myself.

Wulfmann

A lot of it has to do with self induced fear. Same with storms when people run out to get bread and milk. But when you see a business that has a warehouse full of ammo go out of stock on all their brass case ammo in a week it is logical that they are sitting on it. I worked in the business before and saw how this was. I've seen in last year, in 2010 and 2008 when you couldn't buy a 20 round box of wolf 7.62x39 for less than 50 bucks around here. The place I was at was telling everyone that no one could get ammo while they were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds in the back. I mean, it isn't right. If the stuff got cut off and couldn't be imported or there was a brass shortage etc then I could understand but as of now, there is nothing real about a shortage for every ammo out there. It can't be. The only way that would really happen is either months of fear buying, or something like WW3 where the military stepped in and took all the ammo supplies to use in a war. That is the only thing that could drain it that fast.

MT, I agree

But, I shoot a lot and we can debate the reasons all we want but I still want to shoot a lot.

So, I either pay attention and stay ahead of the curve or complain that some self fulfilled deceptively created situation prevents me from shooting a lot.

To me, it may be interesting to discuss but it does not change the fact it is 2008 all over again (with some minor twists I am sure) and you decide what you prefer.

Shooting or discuss why we are not shooting .

Wulfmann

Wulfmann's got it right.
What I don't get is all the bitchin and moanin about Wideners being out of stock. I placed my FIRST order for the freshly depleted IMI M855 as well as M193 in NOVEMBER of 2009. Guys, that was TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. They obviously got a shitload of it in....I assume Wideners had some deal worked out either directly with IMI or a distributor for IMI. Many years ago Wideners was the only vendor who had IMI 55 grain .223 55 grain FMJ in the grey and black boxes. Really good foder as well.
I've always been a fan of IMI, stocked up on the old Q3131a back before this latest batch of IMI came in. Didn't slow me down this time around. I bought more than I want to share with you guys of the 2009 stock.
There was an old saying on this board when I joined. I saw it often and took heed:
Buy it cheap and stack it deep
You don't buy ammo during an election year. With the dollar constantly taking a shit (especially with imported ammo), the quicker you stockpile, the better off you're gonna be. It's NOT gonna get any cheaper.

And all thr people said "amen". I hear you. I think anyone who was around in 2008 knows exactly what's coming. I'm not for price control, but I will also just shoot 22lr before I pay artificially inflated prices. If their prices are going to go up crazy on their next shipment, then why not raise the price at that time. That's how I run my business. For now, what they will pay in the future is just speculation. I know there are 2 sides to this. If I had employees and overhead, and prices were gonna get so stupid that cases weren't flying off the shelf, I'd be tempted to try and make a little more now. It's a fine line to cross. I don't have any beef with Wideners or AIM. Can't say much for the others.-

Yeah I get it also, I would have loved to stockpile thousands of rounds but couldn't this year with medical bills and had to replace the roof on the house, the heat pump , the list goes on. But hopefully after the elections when things start to calm down I hope to buy a lot to shoot, and hope it's brass so I can reload my own stuff and shoot cheaper and be more involved in the process.

Though, I wonder why people get so worked up around elections? I mean, they haven't taken our rifles/pistols yet and i understand the "assault rifle ban" sucked but I don't see that really happening again. But maybe others do, I don't know.

That, my friend is the cause of all of this

Wulfmann

I bought three 1200 round cases from them last few weeks. Came to just a hair under $400 a case(1200 shipped.). I originally had two cases ordered but added another for a buddy that wanted some. I now wish I had ordered 10 cases!

I still have a large order from Brownells for M193 backordered though, hope it one day comes in!

This whole thing has 2 main parts. Price & Availablitity. Availibility is really not an issue as long as the ammo/caliber you want is produced domestically. Traditionally, this has also meant it's more expensive but you'd still be able to get it. In the past, it's generally been cheaper for us to just buy someone's surplus stuff. Now if the importation of this stuff were to ever stop, and you're dependent on a caliber that's not currently being produced in volume in the US (7.62x39, 5.56, etc.) then you're screwed for awhile. Anything Steel case would come to a screeching halt and what was here would be what brass costs now. It would be bad in the short term. In the long run, there is such a huge market for it, some major players would hopefully spring up to fill the demand, and free market would prevail and natural competition would keep the prices in check. That's it in a nutshell. You can spend months debating all the little portions of that. In summary, buy what you can now and shop around for the most competitive price. Be smart with your $. You may see a big panic now and prices go up, but when everyone is broke this summer paying $5 a gallon for gas and trying to take their families on vacation, nobody will be buying ammo. Vendors will have stockpiled in anticipation of the election with inflated prices, but if inventory isn't moving off the shelf, they may drop prices back down. It's not just the consumer that can get caught holding the bag on these high prices. Some of the vendors buy high, the bottom falls out, and their stuck either taking a loss or sitting on inventory until it trickles off the shelf.

that is what happened at the place I was at for a little bit in 2008. They were trying to charge such high prices on stuff they bought way before it went up... then they just sat on it and almost went out of business with massive amounts still on shelves b/c they didn't want to come down on their prices. Ended up not having a job b/c they were trying to pull every penny out they could. Hell they were still spouting the same crap a year a go lol.

I bought a case of IMI M855 when Wideners just got it back in stock a year or so ago and paid a lot more then it is now so quit your crying.

I sighted in the Wife's 6920 with the RIBZ yesterday with my MIM M855 stash, and I thought to myself; I need to not shoot all this stuff up in case I can't get more.

agreed, that was a killer deal for brass with good speeds and accuracy.

THIS
but there's one point that needs to be raised. As far as IMI goes, I seriously doubt if Wideners knows IF there will EVER be another IMI shipment. It was something like 4-5 years gone by before Wideners got this last batch of IMI.
IIRC, the grey and black boxes of 55 gr FMJ .223 made by IMI came and went in 2004.

I'm sorry but what exactly does that mean? no more mil surp coming to the US at all?

Is that pure speculation or do you know that is what PK did? I thought they have had IMI M855 for a while now.

It doesn't matter to me either way. Capitalism for the win. I think they would have sat on it until the election rush if they bought the last 50 cases from Widener's.

Of course it's speculation. That's why I said "I suspect they bought a bunch from Wideners"

their federal is cheaper? wow

$450 case for XM193 and $550 case for IMI?!! Guess they are gonna be the Cheaper Than Dirt of 2012 huh? Guess I'll put them on my "Do Not Buy From" list as well.

I'm all for Capitalism, but against gouging. I'll remember them after the panic like I have CTD.

...

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile

Cats out of the bag. Cheaper than dirt has some really competitive prices on ammo it you look hard enough :)

Don't forget, the IMI is 1200 rounds. Is the federal only 1000?

still 200 rounds over 100 extra, isn't IMI considered surplus also.

I too remember seeing CTD selling 1K rnds of .223/5.56 something for $1,000 during the height of the panic, pretty shitty I suppose...buyer beware and all that.

But if CTD has good deals, I'm buying! CTD has always been good to me and I do regular business with them when the deals are good.

I ordered 600 rounds of Federal XM193 @ .32/rnd late Wed night, and FedEx is delivering it later today...Friday.

Life is to short for grudges, anger and resentment. Feel the love!

Do you really not see the contradiction in your logic?

$450/case of XM193 is better than no XM193. When there is a shortage of supply or an increased demand, the "gouging" makes the product less attractive; therefore, the supply is distributed among a larger number of purchasers.

ETA: During Hurricane Katrina, surrounding area hotels were accused of gouging prices. What the media idiots don't report is that by increasing the prices, they are ensuring that more people will be hosted. If a room costs $80/night, a family or a group of friends, who know that they will be staying there for while, might occupy more than one room for comfort. However, for a room costing $250/night, they will be more likely to pool in their resources and share a room. This way, more people who need shelter can be accommodated.

price gouging is price gouging, period. Your example sounds good on paper, but you also have to consider that it leaves those who cannot afford those higher prices out in the cold ( literally, in your example). So for essential services, like shelter, food, fuel, etc.... especially in emergency situations, price gouging serves no one but those making money off it.

That being said, I am 100% for capitalism. No one should be forced to sell their goods or services that they invested in for less than they could just because it isn't "fair"
And it goes both ways, which alot of people tend to forget. So yeah, maybe these guys bought up the cheap IMI and selling it for a hell of a markup, but if their customer base decides it isnt worth it..... then they are sitting on a ton of inventory that they might have to take a major loss on in the end. And thats on top of any lost repeat customers due to their gouging.

Always keep in mind this kind of shit is a double-edged sword. I'm sure CTD lost quite a bit due to their shenanigans in 08.

I will refrain from retorting because I don't want to get this thread locked.

thank you

Well since yall brought Cheaper than Dirt into this, here's my beef with them. During the 2008 election, they were taking orders on Wolf 7.62x39. I had a case (1000 rounds) backordered for 6 weeks at for about $230. They sent me 2 emails trying to get me to cancel my backorders, and I replied to both saying, I don't care if it's 2 years from now when you get it, I'll gladly wait. Under no circumstances to I want my backorder cancelled. Well then they emailed back and said we don't know if we'll ever get this back in, don't have any ideas if we can even get it, and said they were going to cancel my backorder. Again, I replied, I don't care if it's years, leave it on backorder. Of course I knew what they were doing. They terminated my backorder I'd had for about 7 weeks at $230 and the following week it showed back up on their website for some crazy amount (like $450 per 1000). They knew dang well they were getting more in, but couldn't put it back on their website until they cancelled all the backorders. Since then, I'll still buy from them if a deal comes along, but I don't depend on anything until I have an actual tracking # or goods in hand.

wonder if there would have been any legal action you could have taken after that. With emails and what they said, then what they did, and then when it was updated. Hell probably could have said you were talking to a lawyer and they would have given it for the 230 price.

I have no problem with a company as long as they keep their word.
When they allow back orders they need to honor their commitment.

Cheaper Than Dirt has no honor are scum bags are, IMO dishonest and I will not buy from them and will continue to encourage anyone and everyone to NOT buy from them.

When you allow back orders then cancel them for bigger profits you are dishonest and that makes Cheaper Than Dirt a place for Dumber Than Dumb

You can play the capitalist free market came and make a ton of money and still keep your word.
CTD chooses not to keep their word and anyone who buys from them encourages them to continue their dishonest habits

Wulfmann

In the current environment of scarcity of ammo product, I'd like to personally thank everyone who refuses to buy from CTD, for whatever reason! Thanks!

CTD has never failed to provide me great pricing, and fast shipping on quality products.

CTD gets an equal amount of my business, and for that matter, I've never had a single problem on ammo orders from any vendor I use. I shit you not! ( I never buy back-orders...maybe that helps?)

Scarcity? there is no scarcity. They are hold it back for when the political shit starts hitting the fan. LoL the place I worked at is already starting to say "we can't get ammo in" etc etc... though I can still see the boxes of it pile up in the back.

Oh well

We don't think any less of you for your "cooperation" with CTD anymore than we do the French for their "cooperation" with the Nazis

We appreciate you making us look so much better by alerting all to your standards or perhaps lack of them

Thanks for the set ups. perhaps you should look into being a straight man for Don Rickles

Wulfmann

CTD is Nazi and I'm Vichy??

Life is too short to take yourself so seriously Wulfmann.

And with Don Rickles references, just how old are you anyway, LOL?

My Indian name is "Ancient of days"

CTD is not Nazi. The Nazi actually kept their contracts. Had they offered a back order they would have honored it.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. CTD is lower than Nazi.

You, however, will keep your self proclaimed "Vichy" label since you mentioned it

The reference to Rickles was to denote the sarcasm of my post which went over your head.

I will try and type slower in the future

Seriously, any company that does what CTD does as a standard practice is not deserving of our business.
If we make it known we will not associate with these practices ergo have some standards then we force in a proper free economy way businesses to keep their word.
Is expecting any business to keep their word wrong??

Wulfmann

Sounds like your on a mission against CTD Wulfmann...Whatever 'floats your boat' dude.

I'll continue to shop wisely and carefully, snatching up confirmed in-stock good and great deals.

To me, boycotts are a form of extortion and financial terrorism...but you go-ahead and be a good terrorist dude...

Caveat emptor.

BWAHAhahahahahahahahahaha!

Seriously...just kidding.

Now I'm bored with this thread drift.

Sorry all...I am looking for IMI ammo and will holler if I find any!!

CS out.

Seconds, if anyone is sitting on any excess IMI and wants to sell it for a fair price/trade, email or IM me. Not wanting to hoard it, just want one case.

50 train cars of it is probably sitting in widners warehouse they probably couldn't sell it at 380 a case and are now storing it for Obama v day

Then it will show back up at 420 a case.

I won't pay a buck past 320 a case

That's not so bad for mil-spec ammo. $0.35/round is better than the $0.40 for XM855.

honestly 420 isn't bad for 1200 rounds of IMI buttttttt...... if that is what they are doing then principle has to come first in my opinion. Gouging is Gouging but then again, someone might have went in there and cleaned them out. Just wish my broke ass could afford that lol.

Agreed 110%.

Copyright © 1996 - 2013 :: AR15.Com LLC :: All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.