Wolf Military Classic! Garbage!!!!!!

I just got back from the range and out of five 20 round boxes I had six duds! anybody else experience this!

Nope, never had a problem in my rifles.

Wolf works fine.

Well, I know it is not my rifle because all of the indents on the primer were very good hits and even the range operator looked at them and was puzzled! It just must be that batch! Ive shot all kinds of rounds through my AK, silver bear, golden bear, tiger ect and this is the first time this have happened!

I think Wolf has a pretty good satisfaction guarantee. I think they'll let you return the unused portion without a hassle.

Send it to me for proper disposal. My AK chews that shit up and spits it out, no problem.

I like how everyone keeps refering to the problem with this ammo as it being my rifle that caused the miss fires, but my AK strikes the primer just like everybody elses! The primers were indented, and to make sure I compared the struck primers to other empty casings and the indent from the firing pin was exactly the same, THE ROUNDS JUST DIDNT GO BOOM!!!!

WOLF is the only ammunition company that provides a 100% Performance Guarantee. If you are not fully satisfied, WOLF will refund your money on the unused portion of the ammunition, including and freight charges.

Never knew this. Good to know.

As for Wolf MC I've never had a single problem must be a bad batch.

I dont think its really worth my while to send back six rounds!

Were you properly firing your rifle when this occured, NOT BUMP FIRING?

If not, then there is a chance of head spacing, Springs, and firing pin issues. Its more than likely NOT the ammo.

I put 500 rds of Wolf Classic Military through mine when I first got it. Not one, single problem.

I've heard a lot of complaints about Wolf, but I have never heard of an ammunition related failure to fire with it.

I've shot literally thousands of rounds of Wolf and Wolf MC and never had one problem. They're pretty much the only brand I use anymore.

If it was headspacing, how would i know? Would in make the recoil harder? If it was headcpacing wouldnt it be every round? It was sporatic!

Whats the difference between the regular and classic wolf?? I was just getting ready to post this question when I found this thread....

FAQ @ top of the page, entry #2

I have fired many thousands of rounds of Wolf in several calibers.

I have experienced 2 misfires oddly within a couple weeks of each other back in 2003.

One was a 9mm Luger that did not have the flash holes punched in the bottom of the primer pocket. The primer fired and I heard a muffled pop. I retracted the slide and the fired primer fell out and When I examined it I saw there were no flash holes.

The second was a 7.62x39 black box hollow point. The primer was hit plenty hard in my sks and I tried it several more times just to make sure.

I contacted wolf and gave them the lot numbers from both boxes. They sent me a prepaid shipping envelope and when I returned them they sent me a large range bag and T-shirt for my trouble.

Contact them they will make it right!

Thanks. So if Ulyanovsk makes both Wolf Mil-Spec and classic then they are the same?

I have the same problem with Wolf polymer .Every other ammo I use go bang like Golden Tiger ,Monarch . but I get lots of duds from the wolf ammo

I've never had any problems with wolf, but seeing how much tighter my groups are with good quality US ammo in .223 versus the wolf, I have to wonder how accurate my 74 would be if I could get my hands on something better made than wolf or mil-surp.

I knew it couldnt be my rifle, I knew there were others out there with the same experiences as me, My firing pin hit those primers as hard as any other rifle would and they failed to go BOOM!!!

Never had a problem with Wolf.

I have fired tens of thousands of rounds and nary a problem.

I do recommend you check your firing pin. Out of spec firing pins or ones that are too short will cause light primer strikes and the ammo will not go boom.

Wolf is about all I shoot- .223 and 7.62

Never had a FTF with Wolf ammo, but it stinks like a mofo. Don't shoot it much anymore now that domestic brass is plentiful again.

How about some pics?

I have had several failures. Pulled bullets and found out there was not any powder.

I've fired Wolf in .45, .223, 9mm(I think), 7.62x39 and have never had a single problem.

Out of many thousands of rounds of Wolf, I've had exactly two failures to fire. Both were with 7.62x39mm Military Classic and both bad rounds did not have the primer flash holes punched through the cases. Upon pulling the trigger, I got the muffled "pop" of the primer blowing out of the case, which made it easy to see the missing flash holes.

I've also had one bad round of Romanian "Hot Shot" 7.62x39mm out of 380 rounds fired so far. The Romy round failed due to the same reason as the Wolf mentioned above.

I have never had a problem with anything Wolf and I have shot their ammo for years.
I also know that they will fix any problem if the ammo is at fault. Great people to deal with.
They really do back up their products.

A few weeks back my son was setting aside ar-15 ammo that did not go off, when I got back he said dad none of these worked.

He would pull the bolt back and not let it slam back by itself, so the pin was not hitting fully on the primer.

The fix was use the bolt asst. button or just let the bolt slams back and do not candy ass it to the chamber.

Just my 2 cents, may or may not be the problem.

Not wanting to insult here just saying what my sons problem was.

I've shot many thousands of rounds of wolf and other russian ammo too. I honestly can't remember any ammo related failures ever. Maybe I'm just lucky.

I encountered problems with the 7.62 Military Classic ammo back in 2006. I never experienced a single misfire in my rifle until I used the Wolf MC ammo (The Wolf black box ammo had always run fine). I went through about 600 rounds of the ammo. I encountered way too many dud rounds before finally giving up. I contacted WOLF and got them to exchange the remaining 1,400 rounds. I have to admit, they do have decent customer service. They covered shipping costs both ways.



Example: 7 FTF from one box.

Any specific Lot # on your boxes/case? I have a case I bought back in 06-07. I'm just now working my way into it, and had 4 dented primers with no booms in a single box. The only specific markings on the box, which were just inside the pull tab where you open the box, are "P67", I don't know specific that is to year/lot/production run though.

This was from a Chinese SKS, I suspected the firing pin until happening upon this thread. I have no other ammo to test through this rifle at the moment.

Pic follows:

Mine was Lot# P70.

I used the online form on Wolf's website to report my problem. Had an email within an hour wanting my info and lot# so they could replace it with their new polymer coated stuff.

sweeeeeeet

After using loads of Wolf I have had some really bad batches from them in the past year which has turned me off entirely. Two in the last 6 months didn't even have rims (one in 7.62x39 one in 7.62x54R). Three have pretty much blown up seperating just above the rim. About 5-6 duds. So I hesitate saying stay away they were fine before these all, but I think their quality control has been having issues and until they are more reliable I will continue to get other surplus ammo (or reload mine, I reload both of those calibers).

Never. That's bizarre.

Wolf is GTG.

Unlike the OP's rifle.

Wolf has been never been a problem with me, I went through two 20 round boxes of wolfs through my AK and not one was a dud.

OK



Only the bottom two rounds are Wolf Military Classic. The top round is a Romanian Hot Shot. All three pictured rounds did not have primer holes punched into their cases. You can see a "dimple" on the two Wolf rounds (directly above the "F" in the WOLF head stamp), which is where the machine tried to punch the primer hole.

All three rounds emitted a "puff" of smoke from the receiver area when the trigger was pulled, the result of the primer igniting, then being blown out of the case in fragments (WOLF) or in one piece (Hot Shot). The Hot Shot round actually blew forward, visibly gouging the cartridge's rim as it blew forward off of the extractor, jamming the round further into the chamber! That one had to be tapped out with a rod. Needless to say, none of these three rounds actually fired.

I believe Tula is the same thing as wolf, I had one with a bad primer.

Berdan primed ammunition cartridges have the "dimple" you show (its actually the anvil for the primer - boxer primers have an integral anvil). There should be two small flash holes flanking the anvil.

I have shot tons of Wolf. I will buy more.

Wolf is smelly like cat whiz when fired in my AR or AK and always get a few misfires,for the most part it go bang but not accurate.On a sidebar bought some Silver Bear 380 at a yard sale (Two Cases) for $125 each and that stuff is weak cycling the gun shooting 6 inches low at 7 yards compared to UMC target stuff

Yes, I know that, and this is the fact I was hoping to illustrate with the picture. Based on these two rounds, Wolf 7.62x39mm uses only one flash hole for the primer. On these two, the primer's flash hole was only superficially punched into the primer pocket, not creating the needed "hole". The pressure of the primer detonating into a sealed cavity caused the primer to blow out. There was nowhere else for the pressure to go.

Here's the same pic, with the flash hole dimples shown inside the lime green circles:

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