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ULY AK Ammo really this terrible?
7/13/2011 7:14:50 AM
OK the ULY/Tula brand... the ones in the white box stamped hunting cartridges... coming from AR land I have fired at least 1000 rounds with zero failures - all went bang, all ejected as supposed to. And we've all heard the people say.. "don't shoot steel in your AR... "
Well over here in AK land, I figured the steel case would just go w no issues especially since they work fine in my AR. However, I've shot a couple hundred, plus or minus a few, of these white box 7.62x39 now. Well I've had 11 failure to fire. Yes. 11. I had 5 in one mag yesterday.
Looking at the rounds the primers had great strikes, hammered a nice dimple right in there. Seems like they should have just went zing! But they didn't.
This is new ammo.. as in just got from the store a couple weeks ago.. since I just got my AK. It's not been wet or misused.. just taken out of the box and stuck in a magazine and rocking the trigger.
Any ideas... seems like an awfully high failure rate. The Yugo ammo I've got has all went bang.. which makes me think it's the ammo even more...
Well over here in AK land, I figured the steel case would just go w no issues especially since they work fine in my AR. However, I've shot a couple hundred, plus or minus a few, of these white box 7.62x39 now. Well I've had 11 failure to fire. Yes. 11. I had 5 in one mag yesterday.
Looking at the rounds the primers had great strikes, hammered a nice dimple right in there. Seems like they should have just went zing! But they didn't.
This is new ammo.. as in just got from the store a couple weeks ago.. since I just got my AK. It's not been wet or misused.. just taken out of the box and stuck in a magazine and rocking the trigger.
Any ideas... seems like an awfully high failure rate. The Yugo ammo I've got has all went bang.. which makes me think it's the ammo even more...
7/13/2011 7:22:55 AM
It sounds like you've got a bad lot.
7/13/2011 10:01:03 PM
I suppose so. Thats just a really high rate. Bummer is Ive got another 400 or so bought at the same time... Guess Ill order some more yugo or golden tiger online.....
7/13/2011 11:17:52 PM
You sure it’s not the firing pin? Russian ammo is usually very reliable, but I guess a bad lot does get through every now and then.
7/14/2011 7:41:21 PM
I had the same problem 17rds out of 150rds Did not go off solid primer strikes, and out of a weapon that has never had issues. I tryed to hit one a second time and it poped the primer.
7/17/2011 2:07:02 AM
I had this happen on a recent trip. I was shooting a mag of Yugo ammo however. Half way through the mag it just went click. So I waited for a hang fire. Racked it out. Definite indentation. Reloaded the round and bang, it worked.
These things just happen.
These things just happen.
7/22/2011 3:11:32 AM
My MAK really likes Uly. Since you said you just got your AK try some other brands and see if they work better for you.
7/22/2011 10:31:28 PM
Thanks everyone for posting. I'm 99% sure it's not the rifle... the primer strikers are too nice, too deep, too not punctured or torn... for it to be that. The firing pin is doing what it's supposed to.
All I know is that I've read horror stories on these carts in .223, and aside from being a little light, they work perfectly well and are *fair* in the accuracy department. Zero issues there.
I just expected the same in 7.62x39 or better. I do believe I got a bad lot with bad primers. Ive read on the reloading forum that people have issues with wolf and tula primers going "click." I am thinking that is the case, a bad lot of primers.
Next go round I'm going to get some Golden Tiger... it's hotter and lacquer coated and sealed. Hopefully with better results...
All I know is that I've read horror stories on these carts in .223, and aside from being a little light, they work perfectly well and are *fair* in the accuracy department. Zero issues there.
I just expected the same in 7.62x39 or better. I do believe I got a bad lot with bad primers. Ive read on the reloading forum that people have issues with wolf and tula primers going "click." I am thinking that is the case, a bad lot of primers.
Next go round I'm going to get some Golden Tiger... it's hotter and lacquer coated and sealed. Hopefully with better results...
7/24/2011 1:05:18 PM
I've shot over a 1000 rounds of that stuff and never had a single problem
7/24/2011 9:31:57 PM
I'd say you're right. A bad batch of primers.
I've gone thru a good bit of this and not had near the trouble you've had from that one lot.
I've gone thru a good bit of this and not had near the trouble you've had from that one lot.
7/25/2011 10:47:19 AM
I burned 180 rounds of this stuff this weekend in a Polytech AKS and Norinco 56s rifles and it never missed a lick, 100% fire rate. Very satisfactory in my opinion.
5-6 Years ago when Ulyanovsk made Wolf 'military classic' we got a batch of it where the primers were a little deep in the pocket and we had a 1 in 20 failure to fire ratio, kind of embarrassing when you are selling it to machine gun shooters at Wyandotte Oklahoma machine gun shoot and they have stoppages in the rental guns. The guys would load those rounds back up in the mags and the second time they all worked the way they should have the first time.
More recently we sold a huge quantity of the Ulyanovsk in the 1000 round cases and some of the 640 round cans and have not had any problems of the like reported. Over all its been great ammo
Additionally, over the years, we have seen the majority of function issues with any 762x39 Russian ammo in the century arms Yugo M-70 series of rifles as well as a few from the WASR. For example we had a customer with a Century M-70 who bought a case of golden tiger and it would not fire reliably, so we traded him a brown bear and that did not work either. However Remington worked fine, so the customer deemed the Russian ammo "bad ammo" and we gave him a refund out for the sake of satisfaction, however the ammo worked just fine in the Norinco and probably would have worked fine in other guns as well. It seems that a small percentage of Century Arms AK's do not work well with steel case but work fine with brass case.
5-6 Years ago when Ulyanovsk made Wolf 'military classic' we got a batch of it where the primers were a little deep in the pocket and we had a 1 in 20 failure to fire ratio, kind of embarrassing when you are selling it to machine gun shooters at Wyandotte Oklahoma machine gun shoot and they have stoppages in the rental guns. The guys would load those rounds back up in the mags and the second time they all worked the way they should have the first time.
More recently we sold a huge quantity of the Ulyanovsk in the 1000 round cases and some of the 640 round cans and have not had any problems of the like reported. Over all its been great ammo
Additionally, over the years, we have seen the majority of function issues with any 762x39 Russian ammo in the century arms Yugo M-70 series of rifles as well as a few from the WASR. For example we had a customer with a Century M-70 who bought a case of golden tiger and it would not fire reliably, so we traded him a brown bear and that did not work either. However Remington worked fine, so the customer deemed the Russian ammo "bad ammo" and we gave him a refund out for the sake of satisfaction, however the ammo worked just fine in the Norinco and probably would have worked fine in other guns as well. It seems that a small percentage of Century Arms AK's do not work well with steel case but work fine with brass case.
7/25/2011 11:54:27 PM
I bought a case of 1,000 Uly ammo awhile back, shot the whole lot and I don't think I had a single failure to fire in my SGL21.
But what made me go
was after shooting a bunch of it at my father in law's place during the winter. I was kneeling in the snow shooting at a low placed target so the bullet sort of skimmed the upper crust of the snow after going through the paper.
The interesting part was come spring, we started finding all these bullets laying on the ground from my AR and AK. They were still perfectly shaped and there was no mushrooming or deformation that I could see of any kind. It's like the bullet stopped in mid-air and dropped.
I was a little shocked to find that the bullets had no crimping cannelure in them. They were certainly crimped and the bullet was definitely deformed because of it. But I was disappointed by that attempt to save money by Uly.
How much does it affect accuracy? I don't know, but I know it can't be good for it. So now I'm using Yugoslavian surplus. It's corrosive, but it has a cannelure (I think) and that just makes me feel better.
But what made me go
was after shooting a bunch of it at my father in law's place during the winter. I was kneeling in the snow shooting at a low placed target so the bullet sort of skimmed the upper crust of the snow after going through the paper.
The interesting part was come spring, we started finding all these bullets laying on the ground from my AR and AK. They were still perfectly shaped and there was no mushrooming or deformation that I could see of any kind. It's like the bullet stopped in mid-air and dropped.
I was a little shocked to find that the bullets had no crimping cannelure in them. They were certainly crimped and the bullet was definitely deformed because of it. But I was disappointed by that attempt to save money by Uly.
How much does it affect accuracy? I don't know, but I know it can't be good for it. So now I'm using Yugoslavian surplus. It's corrosive, but it has a cannelure (I think) and that just makes me feel better.
