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 Folding stock vs under over folding stocks vs others? Pros and cons?
passive  [Member]
1/23/2008 9:29:54 AM
Ok I see wood and synthetic stocks that fold. They appear to be on a hinge and simply bend over. Another type I have seen has a metal frame and it folds under the firearm. I've also see metal stocks that hinge over like the wood ones.

What are the pros and cons to these styles?

Are both of them as durable or almost as durable as a non collapsible stock?

Can you add this to any AK or does it have to be manufactured to work like this? (Without spending to much money)
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K1rodeoboater  [Member]
1/23/2008 10:15:01 AM
I don't like underfolders all that much, to much flex and a really crappy cheek weld. With that said I don't like folders in general
Tactical_T  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 11:00:39 AM
Of course a full stock is the most solid and allows the best comfort while shooting. The next best would be the solid side folder, as it mimics a fixed full stock. Next would probably be the triangle side folder stock, which is also very solid. The underfolder is probably one of the weakest overall, as it can possibly bend and/or get loose over time. In terms of comfort, it's really a matter of opinion. Some guys love them, and some hate them due to the curved angle of the shoulder piece. Personally, I think they are fine. Really, I think that they are better suited to guys with a little bit of shoulder meat. And with regard to what I said about getting loose, it's usually not too much of an issue until after maybe 5k+ rounds. Though some have been said to stay tight much past that. The Arsenal UF that I haave seems very solid and will probably stay fairly tight for some time.

Ultimately, full size AK's with folding stocks were designed as paratrooper rifles. If you have a chance, check out how the various folders feel to you before deciding on one.
elokoman  [Member]
1/23/2008 11:13:54 AM
I'm fairly happy with my Romanian side folder. There is a rubber pad designed for grenade launching that makes these quite comfortable to shoot, and the lockup is nice and solid. The folder makes for a compact package if you need to jump out of an airplane, or more realistically at my age, pack something compact in the car for travel through rough neighborhoods during a civil disturbance.

Another advantage of the Romi sidefolder is easy installation. If you decide you don't like it, take it off with two screws and put a standard buttstock back on it. You can easily re-sell a Romi sidefolder for around $50.

The looks of the underfolder are more classic though.
passive  [Member]
1/23/2008 11:28:31 AM
hmmm I think I'd want a side folder from what you guys are saying :)

How much lighter or durable is the metal one over the wood stock?
AK47CBR  [Member]
1/23/2008 12:20:22 PM
Which side to the Romy side folders fold? Left or right?
drobs  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 12:30:38 PM

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Which side to the Romy side folders fold? Left or right?


To the right.
AK47CBR  [Member]
1/23/2008 1:04:49 PM
Can you still fire it when folded?
Nameless_Hobo  [Member]
1/23/2008 1:13:17 PM
I like underfolders. If you have one that extends straight back from the rifle, and wrap it in paracord, it's not that bad.
tommyrich  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 1:21:03 PM

Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
I like underfolders. If you have one that extends straight back from the rifle, and wrap it in paracord, it's not that bad.


Do you have any pics of an UF wrapped in paracord, I've never seen that before.

Thanks!
smokeman  [Member]
1/23/2008 2:06:07 PM
If you like folders, it's give and take.

Side-folders seem to be the most sturdy, but somewhat limit access to the safety in the folded position, not a biggie as you can work around that. The very best I've found were on older PolyTech's from the late '80's, IMO. It's the only one that gives a good cheek weld. If you use a VFG, a side folder is the only choice. I've never owned or used the triangular type.

Underfolders I guess are more classic. Cannot be used with a VFG and I don't think they'll fold/unfold with a 40 round mag in place, if that's a concern. The safety is a little more accessable in the folded position.

drobs  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 2:48:29 PM

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Can you still fire it when folded?


Yes sir.


Here's my Romy G Builds with the various folding options.


And my Sar1 with Romy Folder:


Put a K-Var poly full stock back on the Sar1.
Shrike37  [Member]
1/23/2008 2:49:07 PM

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Can you still fire it when folded?


The Romanian side folder is a great balance of compactness, price, ease of installation, and shooting comfort.

It is about the cheapest mil-spec folder out there right now ~$40-50. It screws on all regular AKM wood fixed stock trunnions (all other folders have their own special rear trunnion so you can't just put the other folder types on any rifle). Folds to the right, so you can have a scope mount/scope still on the rifle; however you can still work the safety, rack the bolt, and fire the weapon with it folded. Finally, it is fairly comfortable to shoot. Say a wood fixed stock rates at 100 comfort (the best), the Romy side folder would probably be 80.
AK47CBR  [Member]
1/23/2008 3:12:47 PM
Ok last question before I order one. Will it fit my MAK90 with the 1.5mm reciever?
Mak  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 3:56:55 PM

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Ok last question before I order one. Will it fit my MAK90 with the 1.5mm reciever?


You have to file the folder's receiver block down to fit in the thicker receiver and only one mounting screw will line up with the Chinese tang.
Nameless_Hobo  [Member]
1/23/2008 4:04:53 PM

Originally Posted By tommyrich:

Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
I like underfolders. If you have one that extends straight back from the rifle, and wrap it in paracord, it's not that bad.


Do you have any pics of an UF wrapped in paracord, I've never seen that before.

Thanks!

Here's a few links. I don't want to steal their picures.
How to, on a sidefolder,though.
Scroll down the page about half way.
aceduece  [Member]
1/23/2008 7:42:49 PM
I have the Romy side folder with the E. German lever and I really like it a lot. It's sturdy and locks up tight. It folds small and you can easily shoot it folded. I get a qood cheek weld with the paracord on the Wire folder. I think most AK with folding stocks may be carried folded, but you really want the gun to shoot or give you a good cheek weld when unfolded. My Romy Wire Folder does that. Assuming you plan on shooting the gun.

Chris_1522  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 7:47:07 PM

Originally Posted By drobs:

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Can you still fire it when folded?


Yes sir.


Here's my Romy G Builds with the various folding options.
www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/medium/gns2_009.jpg

And my Sar1 with Romy Folder:
www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/22925SARBEST.JPG

Put a K-Var poly full stock back on the Sar1.


That one up top with the EG furniture is cool.
AK47CBR  [Member]
1/24/2008 6:53:52 PM
Anyone here have a MAK90 or other chicom AK with the Romy side folding stock? If so could you post a pic of the tang screw situation
passive  [Member]
1/24/2008 6:58:05 PM
When people are hunting with an ak-47 folder either side or under folder do they carry it folded or unfolded?

I ask this as I plan on hunting with my ak-47.
PhreakMode  [Team Member]
1/24/2008 7:07:11 PM
If I am going to carry a weapon at the ready, no way will it be folded. If its stowed, it may be folded.
drobs  [Team Member]
1/24/2008 7:21:38 PM

Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Anyone here have a MAK90 or other chicom AK with the Romy side folding stock? If so could you post a pic of the tang screw situation


There was a fellow on here that had major issues with trying to fit a Romy folder on a chinese AK.

Best bet for you would be to get an Ace Folder if you have a Chinese AK.
riflestocks.com/
Spooky130  [Team Member]
1/24/2008 8:36:05 PM
I've got one of pretty much each kind... Here's what I think:

#1 - Poly sidefolder.
Pros: Feels like a real fixed stock, very solid and stable
Great cheek weld
Since it folds to the left all controls easily usable when folded
If you have the right set up, one pin and it can be a triangle folder

Cons: Expensive
Can't use side mounted optics with it folded to the left
Lots of work to install in a current gun (latches, trunnions, etc)

#2 - Triangle sidefolder.
Pros: Very steady and solid - much like a real stock
Good cheek weld - not as good as fixed or poly sidefolder
Light weight
Folds to the left = all controls usable when folded
Can convert to poly sidefolder with right set up

Cons: Cold steel on cheek in cold weather
Small area of buttstock seems to increase felt recoil - by no means unmanagable
Still expensive but not as bad a poly sidefolder
Lots of work to install in existing gun (see above).
Folds to left so you must remove side mounted optics

#3 - Romanian/German sidefolder.
Pros: Cheap to buy, cheap to install
Folds to right so you can leave side mounted optics on

Cons: Poor cheek weld due to curvature.
Hard but possible to actuate controls when folded (folds to right)


#4 - Underfolder.
Pros: Small package
High CDI factor!
Fairly easy to find

Cons: Poor cheek weld
Typically unstable or wobbly after use
Hard to manipulate controls
Appears side mounted optics would need to be removed to fold

No experience with:
Any American adapted folding stock
Crutch type Egyptian/German stocks
No Chinese folders - from underfolders to the red furniture sidefolders.

Spooky

survivorman  [Member]
1/24/2008 8:55:28 PM
love the side folders....definately more comfortable to shoot in my opinion that an underfolder I love the east german/romanian style side folders
TargetShooter2  [Member]
1/24/2008 9:14:47 PM
i prefer a folder myself then a fixed stock , having shot several underfolders you can set them up to get a good cheek rest though

TS2

engineer2001  [Member]
1/25/2008 12:39:34 AM

Originally Posted By TargetShooter2:
i prefer a folder myself then a fixed stock , having shot several underfolders you can set them up to get a good cheek rest though

TS2

i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/bluevtx/Saiga/rt6.jpg


What is that on your folding stock? It looks like pipe insulation more than paracord. Looks neat.

Heck, I wonder if I could use pipe insulation (the kind that looks like a foam tube) and put paracord OVER it to get a soft, cushy feel. My Romanian side folder has smacked my face a couple of times when shooting, so I am at least going to paracord wrap it. I bought some paracord already.
Mauritius  [Team Member]
1/25/2008 1:30:33 AM

Originally Posted By TargetShooter2:
i prefer a folder myself then a fixed stock , having shot several underfolders you can set them up to get a good cheek rest though

TS2

i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/bluevtx/Saiga/rt6.jpg


Nice cammo jobs
AK47CBR  [Member]
1/25/2008 8:14:50 AM
+1 Very nice.
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