Hungarian sa-85m update

Hey guys I posted a thread awhile back on finding a sa-85m post ban and just want to give y'all an update and I do apologize for the gritty cell phone pics.



this is it along with the origanal stock it came with.



and as it is now also I want to have the barrel threaded but I can't decide what to put on it. e.g. slant brake, 74 style brake, AMD brake, etc.



But the good news is it already has a hole to put the retaining pin in. So what are your thoughts/suggestions ?

I've always been a fan of the simple muzzle nut.

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rifle looks great! Where did you get your stock and PG from? And is the stock Hungarian or Bulgarian?

Thanks! the stock is Bulgarian and the grip is Hungarian. I found the stock at a gun show and I found the grip over at apex.

The biggest problem was fitting the stock but a friend of mine who works as gunsmith for a shop helped me out big time, and while it may not look factory perfect but it fits nice and tight and straight.

In regards to a muzzle brake IMHO I think putting an AMD brake on it would look cool but somewhat out of place with the rest of the rifle, and I would like to put a bayonet lug on it but I think that's more trouble then it's worth.

I have fixed two SA85s back to full preban status and while it seems annoying to do the gas block...You are going to want to do the front sight base just to have the cleaning rod retainer. While you have the front sight off
you might as well do the gas block. It's a lot easier than it sounds. Use a dremel to cut the gas block and front sight base off that you currently have. I say cut only because without a press those Hungarian ppins are a bitch.
Replace the front sight with an AMD65 front found on Cope's or other.... replace the gas block with a Romanian. Use a brass pipe/hammer to put the block on....then put on the front sight. Drill/pin all done easy...and not doing it...
well....you will always wish it was done and have to explain it to everyone that holds your rifle. haha

You need to change the gas block, front sight block, and have it threaded. Basically restore it. Also need to get a correct Hungarian buttstock, that one is Bulgarian. I've got two such projects going right now and will say- the Hungarian gas block is about the hardest to find of any AK gas blocks. It's so hard to find that I've heard of gunsmiths welding the cut out between the two cross pins to make it straight to appear Hungarian. The good news, one other country made the same gas block and that is E Germany, the bad news- those are equally hard to find. You can't just throw any old gas block on there- it has to be a correct one and you can tell from ten feet away if it is. Also, there are several different versions of the front sight block. I had to order four of them, all Hungarian, to get the correct one for the later pattern AKM type. The early pattern ones have a smaller drum, the later ones can be oval or square in the cut out but have the larger drum. I have two Kassnars, one with the oval cut out and one with the square cut out- both though have the large diameter sight drum, which is crucial on that type of build you are going for. If you were going to build the AKM63 then you might use the smaller diameter drum.


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How do you maintain 922r compliance on something like this?

H/T/S, Piston, Muzzle Break, Pistol Grip

I used East German blocks on both of mine. I only told the OP to go Romanian because of how hard the German ones are to find now. I gave up looking for a Hungarian, but the E German is an exact copy. Last summer APEX had the E. German blocks for only $30...soooo glad I
bought them when I did.

hey guys OP here. thx for all the advice I do appreciate it, and don't worry I'm trying to make sure I have all the 922 stuff to make it legit in ATF's eyes even if they don't obey the law themselves (bastards).

Agian thank you.

Ironwood sells the furniture US made. However you can use one of their pistol grips and pick CC, for cut-cup, meaning they can cut the top for the metal caps. The metal feral caps are available through a vendor linked on their website.

I'm using the AMD65 'Snake Brake' (translation from Hungarian term, meaning unknown, except they thought it made a peculiar noise that would scare enemy troops - true.)) on my SA85M conversion. I did not go to the trouble of replacing the gas block or sight base but I did thread the barrel and install a muzzle device indexing spring/plunger in the existing bore for that purpose (hole in front of sight base). This is done by removing the front sight base pin and installing the spring/plunger so the front pin when reinstalled traps the plunger. Check length before replacing pin - the plunger needs to retract flush with the base and may need to be trimmed. I trimmed the back end since I wanted to maintain the relationship of the front end of the plunger with the locking slot on the bottom.
I tried the AMD65 brake on mine after shooting it with a slant brake and muzzle nut. The 'Snake brake' provided the best accuracy and muzzle control, so I'm leaving it on for now. Specifically, I found the slant brake to skew the point of impact to the point that I had to make a major departure from the factory front sight settings. When I tried the 'Snake Brake' I was able to set them back to original, and group size shrank. I find that the 'look' is not bad, certainly no worse than the AK74s with their long brakes. Actually, I kind of like it. Not a great picture, but:

Now that is nice, and now i'm sold on the AMD brake. Oh again I really like your set up how much does it cost to have it threaded if you don't mind me asking?

I bought a threading set a few years ago and did it myself, then sold the stuff recently. You can probably get it done in your area for about $50 if you can find a guy who will do it without removing the sight base, which requires the special bore insert to get the die started straight.
Here's a fun configuration using 'AK63' parts, a drum mag, a bipod and the brake:

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