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 Does your G26 out shoot your G17?
ijoftaa  [Member]
5/9/2012 9:19:05 AM
I thought it was amazing that I was hitting 6" plates at 50 yards with my G26.
I thought it was more amazing that my buddy missed more than I did with his G17....(I just chalked it up to the shooter, which might still play a role in it.)

Then last night I read what might be another reason why.

I found out that Glock makes a G28 .380ACP, but due to it not meeting the 75 point minimum for the ATF, it cannot be imported to the US. So I researched this point rule.
Apparently, each feature of a weapon is given a certain amount of points... some for the caliber, some for a locking breach, some for each 1/4 inch past a certain length of barrel, some for windage adjustable sights etc, etc. The total must reach 75 before you can import it.

In fact, they said that all Glocks are imported with cheap windage adjustable target sights on them, which are switched for regular sights at the US factory.

Now for the interesting part.... The G26 meets that standard due to it having a ' target trigger '.... I was able to verify that the G17 does not have this trigger... it doesn't need it due to the longer barrel.
This may be old news... but it wasn't for me. I thought I'd share.

Does anyone have any knowledge on this?
all4freedom  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 9:44:19 AM
The "target trigger" is what some call the "serrated trigger". The grooves on the trigger of your G26 make it qualify as a "target trigger". The 19 also has to have it. The G17 does not, so it gets the "smooth trigger". The only difference is the trigger itself, no internals are different. I put a smooth Glock 21 trigger on my G30, which had the serrated trigger. I am considering trying the smooth one again on some other guns perhaps.

The difference between you hitting steel at 50 yards and your buddy not, is sight alignment and trigger control, not the guns. So nice work on that part.

ETA: Here's a pic of the smooth trigger on the left and the "target" trigger on the right.

ijoftaa  [Member]
5/9/2012 10:15:22 AM
Ahhhh
Nice info... and thanks

It might have been the sights themselves....
He was running tri-dot and I have the ball in a bucket. (I do like mine better, it's much easier to use after shooting Steyr for all those years)
captain127  [Member]
5/9/2012 11:54:06 AM
there has been some talk that since the subcompacts are stiffer and flex less and this results in them being more inherently accurate than larger versions in the same caliber. This has been a commonly held finding for the glock 30 as opposed to the model 21. I would think the shorter sight radius would offset this but there are lots of cases of this not being the case. I shoot a lot of the glock sponsored GSSF matches and it is not unusual for the winning master class shooter to shoot the top overall score outof hundreds of competitors with a subcompact
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 12:48:33 PM
I shoot my 19 a little better than my 17, but I can shoot the 17 faster

However my 17 still wears factory sites, whenever Midway gets some more Slant-Pro's in stock I will pick up a pair for my 17 and 21SF and re-evaluate


ijoftaa  [Member]
5/9/2012 1:12:16 PM
Originally Posted By captain127:
there has been some talk that since the subcompacts are stiffer and flex less and this results in them being more inherently accurate than larger versions in the same caliber. This has been a commonly held finding for the glock 30 as opposed to the model 21. I would think the shorter sight radius would offset this but there are lots of cases of this not being the case. I shoot a lot of the glock sponsored GSSF matches and it is not unusual for the winning master class shooter to shoot the top overall score outof hundreds of competitors with a subcompact


I believe it... Mine shoots like a champ.

Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
I shoot my 19 a little better than my 17, but I can shoot the 17 faster

However my 17 still wears factory sites, whenever Midway gets some more Slant-Pro's in stock I will pick up a pair for my 17 and 21SF and re-evaluate




Straight Eight?

Personally, I've got my eye on the Trueglo Tritium Fiber Optic sights.
ttushooter  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 1:24:40 PM
no. My G17 and G34 handles like an extension of my Arm. thats not to say I shoot my G26 poorly, but I shoot better with the full size.
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 1:32:16 PM
Double Tap
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 1:34:22 PM
Originally Posted By ijoftaa:
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
I shoot my 19 a little better than my 17, but I can shoot the 17 faster

However my 17 still wears factory sites, whenever Midway gets some more Slant-Pro's in stock I will pick up a pair for my 17 and 21SF and re-evaluate


Straight Eight?

Personally, I've got my eye on the Trueglo Tritium Fiber Optic sights.


The SlantPro is the same thing as the Straight Eight without the Tritium

I have the Straight Eight's on my G32 and Glock NS on my 19, and I much preffer the Straight Eight's over the 3-dot Glock NS

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/515933/heinie-slantpro-sight-set-glock-steel-blue?cm_vc=wishList

Fragalistic  [Member]
5/9/2012 2:16:22 PM
I carry a G26 daily, and shoot a G17 a lot at the range. Also use the G17 as a nightstand gun. Have a Streamlight tlr-1s light mounted. Also recently changed the connector to the 2# Glockworx connector, with competition spring kit, resulting in a really great 2 3/8# pull.

I also installed a G17 trigger bar into the G26. I don't like the serrated triggers!
Hero  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 2:41:23 PM
For some reason, many people find they shoot the subs more accurately/consistently than the full-sizes.
ijoftaa  [Member]
5/9/2012 2:50:55 PM
Below you can see the Trapazoidal Steyr sight picture.... and with that, you can see why I like the Ball in a Bucket sight picture of the Glock beside it.
Maybe one day someone will do a night sight to mimick these in one fasion or another.


Originally Posted By Hero:
For some reason, many people find they shoot the subs more accurately/consistently than the full-sizes.


I haven't a clue, but I will tell you that the G26 does feel a lot more sturdy in my hand than a G17.... Feels like I'm holding a rock... if that makes sense....
Maybe the 'Flex' issue does play into it.
orkman  [Member]
5/9/2012 4:29:52 PM
I shoot my 26 a little better than my 19. But my 34 beats them both.
Slopes-2-Shores  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 6:37:46 PM
I too shoot my 26 better than my 19. For me though I think it simply boils down to trigger time. I have a .22 kit for the 26. When I slow down and really focus I shoot the 19 fine, but the 26 is a quicker pointer for me.

-JC
Badfish25  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 8:07:59 PM
I shoot my 19 a little better than my 26 as far as pure speed go's, but my reloads are quicker using 26 magazines.
SickMAK90  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 10:21:21 PM
I shoot my g19 and g26 better than both of the g17s I used to own. I have found myself wanting another g17...maybe I should just get another 19...
wyomingnick  [Member]
5/10/2012 2:38:22 AM
I shoot the 17 better than 19 or 26. I carry the 17 too, my favorite Glock.

Not really a big fan of the 26, but I'll admit its good for deep concealment or for a back up gun. I do have it, but pretty much ignore it.
QuantumPion  [Team Member]
5/10/2012 10:04:53 AM
The G26 could be more accurate because you are only gripping it with your ring and middle finger. When you grip a full-size gun with your pinky, when you squeeze it tends to pull it to the left because of the way your hand is shaped. The pinky is not in the same line as your other fingers so it puts a torque on the grip. If you have correct grip on a full-size gun (i.e. not squeezing your pinky) then the G26 would be the same accuracy.
SickMAK90  [Team Member]
5/10/2012 10:08:17 AM
Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
The G26 could be more accurate because you are only gripping it with your ring and middle finger. When you grip a full-size gun with your pinky, when you squeeze it tends to pull it to the left because of the way your hand is shaped. The pinky is not in the same line as your other fingers so it puts a torque on the grip. If you have correct grip on a full-size gun (i.e. not squeezing your pinky) then the G26 would be the same accuracy.


The GAP enterprise floor plates makes controlling the 26 easier, and it allows you to get a better grip on the gun while drawing it.
TheOtherMike  [Member]
5/20/2012 9:31:04 PM
Originally Posted By captain127:
there has been some talk that since the subcompacts are stiffer and flex less and this results in them being more inherently accurate than larger versions in the same caliber. This has been a commonly held finding for the glock 30 as opposed to the model 21. I would think the shorter sight radius would offset this but there are lots of cases of this not being the case. I shoot a lot of the glock sponsored GSSF matches and it is not unusual for the winning master class shooter to shoot the top overall score outof hundreds of competitors with a subcompact


I can't buy this "flex" explanation.

Any slow motion video I've seen of a pistol firing shows the bullet leaving the barrel before the slide starts to move. I do not understand how any frame flex can affect the bullet travel.


Hero  [Team Member]
5/21/2012 5:25:01 AM
Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
The G26 could be more accurate because you are only gripping it with your ring and middle finger. When you grip a full-size gun with your pinky, when you squeeze it tends to pull it to the left because of the way your hand is shaped. The pinky is not in the same line as your other fingers so it puts a torque on the grip. If you have correct grip on a full-size gun (i.e. not squeezing your pinky) then the G26 would be the same accuracy.


This is the reason why I think you hear a lot of people say that their subs are more accurate than their larger pistols. I found this to be true, too. So I focused on what I was doing with my pinky when shooting a fullsize or compact and my groups tightened up with them.
ijoftaa  [Member]
5/21/2012 7:40:10 AM
Originally Posted By Hero:
Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
The G26 could be more accurate because you are only gripping it with your ring and middle finger. When you grip a full-size gun with your pinky, when you squeeze it tends to pull it to the left because of the way your hand is shaped. The pinky is not in the same line as your other fingers so it puts a torque on the grip. If you have correct grip on a full-size gun (i.e. not squeezing your pinky) then the G26 would be the same accuracy.


This is the reason why I think you hear a lot of people say that their subs are more accurate than their larger pistols. I found this to be true, too. So I focused on what I was doing with my pinky when shooting a fullsize or compact and my groups tightened up with them.


I have the Pierce extensions on my G26, so I don't really have the pinky problem... I think I'll convert one of the three back to stock to see if it really makes a difference.

I think that I shoot better with it because of it's easier to control. Smaller package and all.
I have to admit, I really don't like the feel of it without the magazine extensions.
BrokenSVT  [Member]
5/21/2012 9:12:10 AM
I definitely fire the G17 more accurately, more consistently, than my G26. I just got used to the stock floorplates on my G26, having carried it with the +0 Pearce extensions for years and recently swapping them back to stock.
HUNTER223  [Team Member]
5/21/2012 9:20:32 PM
No.

Off a bench, at say 15-25 meters, they both perform almost the same, almost (the 17still performs better).

In rapid fire the 17 outshoots the 26 by far, at least in my hands. My 34, again in my hands, outshoots both of them.



HTR.
SilentType  [Member]
5/22/2012 12:20:39 AM
Some people track the sights better with the shorter sight radius.
ijoftaa  [Member]
5/22/2012 8:53:38 AM
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Some people track the sights better with the shorter sight radius.


There is probably a lot of truth to this....