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CZ82 - good enough for CHL?
9/12/2011 12:53:53 PM
What say you guys. I have a P-01 and 75B, but want something more in the pocket pistol range.
Does the cz82 fit the bill?
Does the cz82 fit the bill?
9/12/2011 1:55:14 PM
It certainly can and it would be a fine choice in my book.
9/12/2011 2:13:20 PM
Great pistol with outstanding ergonomics.
9/12/2011 4:56:19 PM
Do they have problems with HP ammo?
Also does anyone make a .380 barrel for them?
Also does anyone make a .380 barrel for them?
9/12/2011 5:13:26 PM
it is NOT a pocket pistol, and I would take the 9mm Mak cartridge over the 380.
mine is my CCW gun when I fly. If TSA steals my CZ-82, a new one is only $200. I carry hardball ammo exclusively for the penetration
mine is my CCW gun when I fly. If TSA steals my CZ-82, a new one is only $200. I carry hardball ammo exclusively for the penetration
9/12/2011 5:13:44 PM
Originally Posted By 223Sauce:
Do they have problems with HP ammo?
Also does anyone make a .380 barrel for them?
Do they have problems with HP ammo?
Also does anyone make a .380 barrel for them?
I'm glad you asked about HP ammo. It has been noted that we desire expansion in our defense ammo, but we need penetration. As for .380 and 9x18 ammunition both, with HP ammo they've been known to underpenetrate. So if you're going to carry either .380 or 9x18 it's been suggested that FMJ is preferable. That said, it's your personal call, of course.
There is a .380 version of the CZ82 called the CZ83. I wouldn't be surprised if there are .380 barrels available for the CZ82 if you know where to look for them.
9/12/2011 5:14:47 PM
Originally Posted By MRW:
it is NOT a pocket pistol, and I would take the 9mm Mak cartridge over the 380.
it is NOT a pocket pistol, and I would take the 9mm Mak cartridge over the 380.
I agree on both points. The CZ82 is a bit large and heavy to carry in a pocket.
9/12/2011 5:36:58 PM
All good info. Thanks guys 
9/12/2011 9:34:05 PM
I agree with the posts thus far. The 82/83 is a great pistol and very reliable. I used to carry my 83.
It is not a pocket pistol though unless you have some pretty big pockets.
83s can be had in .380ACP and .32ACP.
It is not a pocket pistol though unless you have some pretty big pockets.
83s can be had in .380ACP and .32ACP.
9/12/2011 11:01:05 PM
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
9/12/2011 11:18:16 PM
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
9/12/2011 11:34:57 PM
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
It's the king of the blowback pistols. Being a blowback pistol, upgrading the cartridge past the 9x18 runs the risk of breaking the pistol. Due to cartridges below 9x19 (9mm luger) not performing as well with hollowpoints, they are often viewed as outdated.
Also, it is a solid pistol made of steel. To some people, any gun that isn't an alloy or polymer gun is outdated.
That said, it has very good ergonomics, the double action is decent and the single action tends to be pretty good. It holds a decent number of rounds (12+1) and tends to be very accurate.
9/13/2011 12:29:20 AM
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
9/13/2011 1:08:31 AM
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
9/13/2011 2:28:21 AM
Originally Posted By PA452:
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
9/13/2011 8:32:56 AM
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
Originally Posted By PA452:
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
The term "outdated" implies obsolescence. I wouldn't call an 82/83 obsolete.
9/13/2011 9:50:46 AM
Originally Posted By PA452:
The term "outdated" implies obsolescence. I wouldn't call an 82/83 obsolete.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
Originally Posted By PA452:
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
The term "outdated" implies obsolescence. I wouldn't call an 82/83 obsolete.
I stand corrected. The CZ 82 is the cutting edge of firearms technology. Soon, everyone will be copying this brilliant, ground breaking design. Get yours while you can.
9/13/2011 10:47:37 AM
The cz82 is a great pistol and offers many of the same features as 'modern' defensive pistols; I wouldn't call it obselete/outdated unless you believe that all steel pistols are outdated (i still don't own a composite frame pistol, though).
Compare it to the CZ52; the mag release is actually usable and the safety is improved, grip ergonomics are good and the action is more traditional for autoloading pistols of today than the cz52 roller bearing setup.
I know more than one person who use cz82's for their every day carry. Pocket carry requires cargo pockets.
13 rounds of 9x18mm FMJ is nothing to sneeze at, and the recoil from the all-steel frame cz82 is incredibly mild. I can put accurate rounds on target considerably faster w/ my cz82 over my S&W642 and the capacity is 2.5x the 642. As has been said, don't bother with hollowpoint ammo; you need the added penetration FMJ affords you if you are using a borderline adequate powered cartridge like the .380 or 9x18.
I met a tailor a few years ago who carried makarovs exclusively; had custom made pockets in all his suit coats. :)
Compare it to the CZ52; the mag release is actually usable and the safety is improved, grip ergonomics are good and the action is more traditional for autoloading pistols of today than the cz52 roller bearing setup.
I know more than one person who use cz82's for their every day carry. Pocket carry requires cargo pockets.
13 rounds of 9x18mm FMJ is nothing to sneeze at, and the recoil from the all-steel frame cz82 is incredibly mild. I can put accurate rounds on target considerably faster w/ my cz82 over my S&W642 and the capacity is 2.5x the 642. As has been said, don't bother with hollowpoint ammo; you need the added penetration FMJ affords you if you are using a borderline adequate powered cartridge like the .380 or 9x18.
I met a tailor a few years ago who carried makarovs exclusively; had custom made pockets in all his suit coats. :)
9/13/2011 2:53:53 PM
Call it what you like: Modern, Outdated or whatever.
It's a reliable, accurate and ergonomic little pistol that I have absolute confidence in.
It's a reliable, accurate and ergonomic little pistol that I have absolute confidence in.
9/14/2011 3:58:49 PM
I carried mine for about a year until I got my 1911. I'm actually carrying mine as I type this, on account of the 1911 having been sent off for night sights. Great little pistol, but as others have said, it's a bit too big to be called a pocket gun.
9/16/2011 9:46:34 AM
One thing I'd like to mention that was a deciding factor for me purchasing one of these fine pistols....it's on the C&R list so shipping direct to the house is a plus.
10/21/2011 4:41:53 AM
I have had no penetration issues with Barnaul/Silver Bear JHP and Hornady XTP JHP loads in 9x18mm. They penetrate four gallon jugs of water with nice expansion and weight retention. Also firing these loads through a standard interior wall mock up they will penetrate into a second gallon jug. You may have penetration issues in colder climes or winter months where heavy clothing is worn but for basic defense these JHP loads should be fine. These tests were performed using a rare CZ-83 chambered in 9x18.
10/26/2011 12:38:49 PM
The CZ-82 is one of the best values in a surplus pistol. CZ quality, reliability and ergonomics for $200. As others have said, it isn't really a pocket pistol, but it is entirely suitable for concealed carry.
One warning: Stay away from the Wolf conical-nosed 9x18. This is the only ammo that causes feeding problems in my CZ, and from what I've read, it's not just my gun. I've seen several people report problems with this ammo. Use standard ball ammo or a HP that you've tested, and you'll be good to go.
One warning: Stay away from the Wolf conical-nosed 9x18. This is the only ammo that causes feeding problems in my CZ, and from what I've read, it's not just my gun. I've seen several people report problems with this ammo. Use standard ball ammo or a HP that you've tested, and you'll be good to go.
10/26/2011 12:49:08 PM
I am big fan and often carry one CCW, I do have concerns about the rather slow Hornady factory JHP loading, but solved that with the Buffalo Bore version which is about 100-150 fbs faster which I feel should result in adequate penetration and expansion. Speaking of the 9x18 I do shoot the hard cast lead version from BB in my P-64 which is rather snappy but does allow a true pocket carry.
10/28/2011 5:32:58 AM
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
One warning: Stay away from the Wolf conical-nosed 9x18. This is the only ammo that causes feeding problems in my CZ, and from what I've read, it's not just my gun. I've seen several people report problems with this ammo. Use standard ball ammo or a HP that you've tested, and you'll be good to go.
One warning: Stay away from the Wolf conical-nosed 9x18. This is the only ammo that causes feeding problems in my CZ, and from what I've read, it's not just my gun. I've seen several people report problems with this ammo. Use standard ball ammo or a HP that you've tested, and you'll be good to go.
Yes, very true. I have had it happen myself to my CZ-83. Wolf makes a round nose 9x18 load also which feeds fine though. Only the conical bullet loads from Wolf fail to feed reliably. To clarify I have had no failures to feed with JHP loads from any source.
11/7/2011 8:48:46 PM
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
I stand corrected. The CZ 82 is the cutting edge of firearms technology. Soon, everyone will be copying this brilliant, ground breaking design. Get yours while you can.
Originally Posted By PA452:
The term "outdated" implies obsolescence. I wouldn't call an 82/83 obsolete.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
Originally Posted By PA452:
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
CZ82 isn't a pocket pistol, though it comes in a pocket pistol caliber. It's heavy and somewhat outdated design, compared to more modern pistols. However, it's a great value with ambidextrous controls, adequate magazine capacity, DA/SA operation, good sights and an excellent trigger. With the right holster and clothing, it makes a decent carry gun.
I'm curious, what about it to you makes it outdated?
Other than the polygonal rifling, it reflects autoloading pistol technology of the period from the 1950's through the 1980's. It's a product of it's time. It's time was 30 years ago.
All steel construction
DA/SA operation
Two piece stocks
External safety (cocked and locked)
Painted finish
Adequate for SD, but not on par with current designs.
Much of that I wouldn't call outdated, and some of it is still used in new designs. It may have been used for a long time, but I can't see calling it outdated if it functions as effectively and efficiently as modern equivalents. Some might say some of those factors make it less effective or efficient, but I think it would only be personal opinion.
Those are kind of the answers I expected by the way. The idea of calling it outdated got me thinking and I was just curious what your reasons for saying that would be.
Your opinion is what it is, but modern design trends are what they are.
The term "outdated" implies obsolescence. I wouldn't call an 82/83 obsolete.
I stand corrected. The CZ 82 is the cutting edge of firearms technology. Soon, everyone will be copying this brilliant, ground breaking design. Get yours while you can.
We get it, its not a Glock.
