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Help me decide on a purse gun for the wife
5/27/2012 6:50:07 PM
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
5/27/2012 7:03:22 PM
You do realize that the 290 weighs 20 ounces unloaded right?
That's more than a Glock 26 with less capacity...
With that said I would look at the Shield or the Nano
That's more than a Glock 26 with less capacity...
With that said I would look at the Shield or the Nano
5/27/2012 8:00:15 PM
The obvious choice for me is Kahr PM9. I helped a friend through this process a while back for purse carry. I gave her a wide variety of guns. Most were at her local range to rent. She tried and chose G26.
Not my first choice for her. Not second or third either.
I'm sure .380 has caused plenty of fatalities. .22lr has too. Still wouldn't want .22lr to be my EDC or BUG anymore than .380.
9mm is minimum for self defense imo. Speaking of opinions. It's also my opinion everyone needs to make his\her own choice for carry. Some coaching along the way sure helps and that's where I limit involvement when it comes to helping choose a weapon. Just like clothing, EDC must fit the person carrying.
Not my first choice for her. Not second or third either.
I'm sure .380 has caused plenty of fatalities. .22lr has too. Still wouldn't want .22lr to be my EDC or BUG anymore than .380.
9mm is minimum for self defense imo. Speaking of opinions. It's also my opinion everyone needs to make his\her own choice for carry. Some coaching along the way sure helps and that's where I limit involvement when it comes to helping choose a weapon. Just like clothing, EDC must fit the person carrying.
5/27/2012 8:02:02 PM
Air Weight J frame.
5/27/2012 8:31:04 PM
not on the list but my wife LOVES her p238 ... if your wife shoots better with .380 than 9mm .. goes in her purse easily and she loves shooting it with the 7 round mags
but kahr 9 should be on your list imho...
but kahr 9 should be on your list imho...
5/28/2012 12:06:40 AM
I have both the Kahr P380 and the PM9 and carry the PM9 in a small IWB holster. The P380 is great for pocket carry. As stated by someone else the S&W Shield just entered the market but after trying it out at the range I would not replace my PM9. I believe the Shield is 5 to 6 ounces heavier. I also like the grip on the PM9 more than the Shield. I can not help on the Sig, never handled or fired.
5/28/2012 12:39:08 AM
Havent shot the Kahr but it is a very nice little package. The 290 is junk and by far not anything like what SIG has become known ofr in the quality arena. Have her look at the PM/CM9.
Maybe the Walther PPS?
Maybe the Walther PPS?
5/28/2012 4:58:17 PM
While you and your wife are shopping, take a look at a Walther PPS. Great carry handguns.
Have her shoot the pistols she likes and find one that fits her hands. Don't go below 9mm caliber wise.
I'd also suggest some basic handgun instruction courses if she's a new shooter.
Here's a link to a website dedicated to women shooters you might both appreciate:
http://www.corneredcat.com/
Have her shoot the pistols she likes and find one that fits her hands. Don't go below 9mm caliber wise.
I'd also suggest some basic handgun instruction courses if she's a new shooter.
Here's a link to a website dedicated to women shooters you might both appreciate:
http://www.corneredcat.com/
5/28/2012 5:08:19 PM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Air Weight J frame.
Air Weight J frame.
This is the correct answer.
5/28/2012 5:26:59 PM
If it's going to be in a purse, why not go bigger?
My sammich maker carries a G19 either IWB or in a "Gun Toten Mamma" purse.
She's even mentioned going to a G21SF for when she's using the purse.
My sammich maker carries a G19 either IWB or in a "Gun Toten Mamma" purse.
She's even mentioned going to a G21SF for when she's using the purse.
5/28/2012 5:45:38 PM
Originally Posted By 455SD:
This is the correct answer.
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Air Weight J frame.
Air Weight J frame.
This is the correct answer.
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
5/28/2012 5:57:23 PM
The Kahr has received great reviews. I'd go with the Kahr. If not look at a nice small revolver.
5/28/2012 7:04:11 PM
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Originally Posted By 455SD:
This is the correct answer.
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Air Weight J frame.
Air Weight J frame.
This is the correct answer.
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Anemic .38? And compared to .380? Seriously?
Semi auto for someone inexperienced:
Limp wrist causing failure to cycle.
Grab the pistol(since that was your scenario) bring it 1/8" out of battery, it won't fire.
Mag changes for someone inexperienced can be a nightmare.
Clear a misfire or stove pipe under pressure with adrenilin flowing for the inexperienced, not happening.
5/28/2012 7:38:28 PM
Has she shot them?
If not take her to a rental range or borrow stuff from your friends.
Don't force her decision, find something she can shoot and has confidence with.
I,like the gentleman above ,favor a airweight revolver. I generally don't like the 380s
because the bottom line is most folks can't shoot them worth a darn.
Even the lightest 38sp target load has at least the power of the 380.
Finding a gun that can be shot decently,has reasonable power and is light enough to carry every day
is no simple task.
If you find something that your wife can shoot and she will carry every day I would give up power if that is what works otherwise.
You are not takeing down Morrow tribesmen here, hopefully just pulling the gun will end the bad situation but even 4 or 5 hits from a 22lr
is better than 9 misses from a hand cannon.
Good luck
If not take her to a rental range or borrow stuff from your friends.
Don't force her decision, find something she can shoot and has confidence with.
I,like the gentleman above ,favor a airweight revolver. I generally don't like the 380s
because the bottom line is most folks can't shoot them worth a darn.
Even the lightest 38sp target load has at least the power of the 380.
Finding a gun that can be shot decently,has reasonable power and is light enough to carry every day
is no simple task.
If you find something that your wife can shoot and she will carry every day I would give up power if that is what works otherwise.
You are not takeing down Morrow tribesmen here, hopefully just pulling the gun will end the bad situation but even 4 or 5 hits from a 22lr
is better than 9 misses from a hand cannon.
Good luck
5/28/2012 8:11:28 PM
Originally Posted By Blasternank:
The Kahr has received great reviews. I'd go with the Kahr. If not look at a nice small revolver.
The Kahr has received great reviews. I'd go with the Kahr. If not look at a nice small revolver.
from who? Gun magazines? With paid advertisements for pictures of the Kahr Arms tranny?
The Kahr P380 is a steaming turd. It isn't reliable at all. the mags are a huge weak point that will fail if you somehow get a copy of the pistol that actually works. Been there, done that. Moved on.
I'd imagine that the Sig isn't too far off. Guns in this class are ALL temperamental at best.
Glock 26 and don't look back. Thats what my wifey puts in her coach
5/28/2012 9:53:22 PM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Anemic .38? And compared to .380? Seriously?
Semi auto for someone inexperienced:
Limp wrist causing failure to cycle.
Grab the pistol(since that was your scenario) bring it 1/8" out of battery, it won't fire.
Mag changes for someone inexperienced can be a nightmare.
Clear a misfire or stove pipe under pressure with adrenilin flowing for the inexperienced, not happening.
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Anemic .38? And compared to .380? Seriously?
Semi auto for someone inexperienced:
Limp wrist causing failure to cycle.
Grab the pistol(since that was your scenario) bring it 1/8" out of battery, it won't fire.
Mag changes for someone inexperienced can be a nightmare.
Clear a misfire or stove pipe under pressure with adrenilin flowing for the inexperienced, not happening.
If you back up and read my first post, you would see that I recommend a M&P Shield or a Beretta Nano, which both come in 9mm or even .40 with the Shield (Nano .40 has not been released yet)
I never recommended a .380, and the 9mm performs much better than .38 Special
Most .38 Special +P loads are around 17,500psi with the 9mm standard pressure loads coming in around 32,000psi... That's 183% more energy
And who says a Wife/GF has to be inexperienced? My S/O is a great behind a Glock or Beretta M9 and can change a magazine just fine, and she has only been shooting for less than 2 years
Sounds to me like some of you guys need to get out and work with your S/O and let her choose what works for HER instead of just getting her a "idiot proof" revolver
5/28/2012 10:07:57 PM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Anemic .38? And compared to .380? Seriously?
Semi auto for someone inexperienced:
Limp wrist causing failure to cycle.
Grab the pistol(since that was your scenario) bring it 1/8" out of battery, it won't fire.
Mag changes for someone inexperienced can be a nightmare.
Clear a misfire or stove pipe under pressure with adrenilin flowing for the inexperienced, not happening.
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Originally Posted By 455SD:
This is the correct answer.
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Air Weight J frame.
Air Weight J frame.
This is the correct answer.
Yea... 5 shots of anemic .38 in a gun that can be rendered useless simply by grabbing the cylinder is defiantly the best answer...
Not to mention that a small double action revolver is much harder to shoot accurately for most women because of the long heavy trigger pull, and is a pain in the ass to reload compared to an auto.
Just my $.02
Anemic .38? And compared to .380? Seriously?
Semi auto for someone inexperienced:
Limp wrist causing failure to cycle.
Grab the pistol(since that was your scenario) bring it 1/8" out of battery, it won't fire.
Mag changes for someone inexperienced can be a nightmare.
Clear a misfire or stove pipe under pressure with adrenilin flowing for the inexperienced, not happening.
Revolvers are not a great choice for first time CC ...
While limp wristing is an issue for autos..weak hand shooting a revolver will make one miss a side of a barn.
Grab an auto like most perps will and as a defender you will pull back...making it shootable if for only the first shot..a revolver won't shoot.
Mag changes...lol. Ok like how is an inexperienced shooter going to have more luck fumbling with a cylinder release and a speed loader?
Ok misfire and stove pipe...that's a problem.
In all honesty a can of mace or wasp spray is safer then a pistol...unless the female has the right mind set....
Of all the things that should come first a class in self defence will help her far more then any pistol......a good class will teach her how not to be a victim......the hard truth is for a weapon to work well in a Selfdefence senerio ,time and space need to be on your side...and the less experiance or training the greater that distance and time one needs.
But if it's a pistol she has to have I would suggest a Walther PPS the mag release is far easier for women ...and teach the RSR ..rack slide release technique instead of using the slide release...down side is racking a fresh round is tough for most women and I believe it's not from lack of strength but fear and lack of correct leverage..... Good luck in your search OP.
5/28/2012 10:27:05 PM
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Air Weight J frame.
Air Weight J frame.
My wife carried or rather did not carry her XD subcompact for 6 months before I got her one of these which never leaves her side.
A keltec p32 is what she carries on walks.
5/28/2012 10:34:48 PM
Of all the handguns I own and have trained with over the years, I am carrying a revolver. Silly me
5/28/2012 11:15:12 PM
Originally Posted By SethP:
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
As a person in the know, I will say this once for you to let it sink in: NEVER let your wife carry a pistol in her purse. EVER. The first thing a perp will take, 90% of the time is the purse. So, now.....think about it. He's got her purse. Money. Credit Cards. Identification. Car keys. House keys. Home address. And, now, her gun.
Any and all guns stay on the person if the intention is to carry. She can drop the purse, and fight to get away, using the pistol. Or, she can defend the kids, up close and personal.
Okay, I will say it again: NEVER, ever carry a pistol on the purse. I saw this go wrong sooo many times.
5/31/2012 9:25:41 PM
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
As a person in the know, I will say this once for you to let it sink in: NEVER let your wife carry a pistol in her purse. EVER. The first thing a perp will take, 90% of the time is the purse. So, now.....think about it. He's got her purse. Money. Credit Cards. Identification. Car keys. House keys. Home address. And, now, her gun.
Any and all guns stay on the person if the intention is to carry. She can drop the purse, and fight to get away, using the pistol. Or, she can defend the kids, up close and personal.
Okay, I will say it again: NEVER, ever carry a pistol on the purse. I saw this go wrong sooo many times.
Originally Posted By SethP:
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
As a person in the know, I will say this once for you to let it sink in: NEVER let your wife carry a pistol in her purse. EVER. The first thing a perp will take, 90% of the time is the purse. So, now.....think about it. He's got her purse. Money. Credit Cards. Identification. Car keys. House keys. Home address. And, now, her gun.
Any and all guns stay on the person if the intention is to carry. She can drop the purse, and fight to get away, using the pistol. Or, she can defend the kids, up close and personal.
Okay, I will say it again: NEVER, ever carry a pistol on the purse. I saw this go wrong sooo many times.
I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
5/31/2012 9:54:56 PM
My wife purse carries a G17 in a Galco Purse (with specific gun pocket with built in holster). She thought she wanted a small gun too but I pointed out if you're carrying a purse, might as well have a big gun....? It's not like it's concealed on your waist and the size helps everyone, even women, with recoil management and fast follow up shots.
5/31/2012 9:55:28 PM
I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
So, you are good with your wife getting a gun stolen as well as her other stuff? Are you sure she will be nice and civil when confronted with HER purse being taken away? (I don't think she will. ESPECIALLY if she has a gun in her purse.) Furthermore, if a person is looking to say accost her and drag her into a car or into the bushes?? She will be getting the shit beat out of her most likely. Often, we saw women who were half strangled and beaten up with the purse strap. Most women try to hold onto the purse if they are bumrushed and purse snatched. Most women are trying desparately to escape the purse if they are physically attacked. When doing training courses on this stuff, we would make it a point to go after a woman's purse. They almost never hand it over, even to instructors. That purse means a LOT to them; it is HER identity in there, her hard earned money. Her personal stuff she does NOT want to just let some bottom dweller have.
I filled out a lot of reports on this stuff in the past. She does not have to take this advice, but I would say just get a cheapo purse and work with her a bit. Grab it, and drage her around by the shoulder with it. Run it across her neck; grab it from behind, and instead of pulling it away, run the purse forward and in front of her unexpectedly, and across her throat. She trusts you, so you can do this to a safe, yet realistic level that won't hurt her. You will quickly understand why I am pretty set on this stuff.
Just kick it around for a day; discuss it with her. At the least, it surely won't hurt to do that much.
And, if I were picking a carry pistol for a woman who was not an avid pistol shooter, I would spend that extra couple bucks and get an autoloader with a good trigger. I carry an LC9 for CC. I got my GF one also. She shoots every week. I wish it had a better trigger, for a non shooter or a 1st time carry, it needs a better trigger. Otherwise, a great pistol. But not without a lot of practice with that trigger.
5/31/2012 10:34:39 PM
And Rojodiablo didn't even touch on the part about the gun being out of her control every time the purse is set down.
Theft issues aside, every time she sets her purse down in the presence of other children the gun is out of her control and within theirs. She shouldn't be comfortable with that.
It's likely she will start leaving the gun in the safe and not dealing with the hastle.
Theft issues aside, every time she sets her purse down in the presence of other children the gun is out of her control and within theirs. She shouldn't be comfortable with that.
It's likely she will start leaving the gun in the safe and not dealing with the hastle.
5/31/2012 10:48:45 PM
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
So, you are good with your wife getting a gun stolen as well as her other stuff? Are you sure she will be nice and civil when confronted with HER purse being taken away? (I don't think she will. ESPECIALLY if she has a gun in her purse.) Furthermore, if a person is looking to say accost her and drag her into a car or into the bushes?? She will be getting the shit beat out of her most likely. Often, we saw women who were half strangled and beaten up with the purse strap. Most women try to hold onto the purse if they are bumrushed and purse snatched. Most women are trying desparately to escape the purse if they are physically attacked. When doing training courses on this stuff, we would make it a point to go after a woman's purse. They almost never hand it over, even to instructors. That purse means a LOT to them; it is HER identity in there, her hard earned money. Her personal stuff she does NOT want to just let some bottom dweller have.
I filled out a lot of reports on this stuff in the past. She does not have to take this advice, but I would say just get a cheapo purse and work with her a bit. Grab it, and drage her around by the shoulder with it. Run it across her neck; grab it from behind, and instead of pulling it away, run the purse forward and in front of her unexpectedly, and across her throat. She trusts you, so you can do this to a safe, yet realistic level that won't hurt her. You will quickly understand why I am pretty set on this stuff.
Just kick it around for a day; discuss it with her. At the least, it surely won't hurt to do that much.
And, if I were picking a carry pistol for a woman who was not an avid pistol shooter, I would spend that extra couple bucks and get an autoloader with a good trigger. I carry an LC9 for CC. I got my GF one also. She shoots every week. I wish it had a better trigger, for a non shooter or a 1st time carry, it needs a better trigger. Otherwise, a great pistol. But not without a lot of practice with that trigger.
+million. I'm little embaresed for not seeing the pink elephant in the room.I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
So, you are good with your wife getting a gun stolen as well as her other stuff? Are you sure she will be nice and civil when confronted with HER purse being taken away? (I don't think she will. ESPECIALLY if she has a gun in her purse.) Furthermore, if a person is looking to say accost her and drag her into a car or into the bushes?? She will be getting the shit beat out of her most likely. Often, we saw women who were half strangled and beaten up with the purse strap. Most women try to hold onto the purse if they are bumrushed and purse snatched. Most women are trying desparately to escape the purse if they are physically attacked. When doing training courses on this stuff, we would make it a point to go after a woman's purse. They almost never hand it over, even to instructors. That purse means a LOT to them; it is HER identity in there, her hard earned money. Her personal stuff she does NOT want to just let some bottom dweller have.
I filled out a lot of reports on this stuff in the past. She does not have to take this advice, but I would say just get a cheapo purse and work with her a bit. Grab it, and drage her around by the shoulder with it. Run it across her neck; grab it from behind, and instead of pulling it away, run the purse forward and in front of her unexpectedly, and across her throat. She trusts you, so you can do this to a safe, yet realistic level that won't hurt her. You will quickly understand why I am pretty set on this stuff.
Just kick it around for a day; discuss it with her. At the least, it surely won't hurt to do that much.
And, if I were picking a carry pistol for a woman who was not an avid pistol shooter, I would spend that extra couple bucks and get an autoloader with a good trigger. I carry an LC9 for CC. I got my GF one also. She shoots every week. I wish it had a better trigger, for a non shooter or a 1st time carry, it needs a better trigger. Otherwise, a great pistol. But not without a lot of practice with that trigger.
I have little experiance with real incidents...but in Selfdefence classes when I told a student.." your the bad guy" they would for what ever reason grab the purse first...some times just throwing it aside to then attack.... I concider the purse as either the treasure or an obstacle , as a perp I would be grabbing it first to make sure I get the cash or remove the victims ability to call for help.
No matter how you roll the dice keeping ones weapon in a carry bag is a bad idea.....sure she can train to be pretty damm good at drawing from her purse but the purse isn't on her all the time...then what? We do not get to pick the time place or how many rounds we will need to fend off death or bodily harm.
Self defence is the simplest actions that cover the broadest possibilitys.
Myself I would have a hard time dealing with the fact of losing a pistol that was then used against someone else. That's why I never leave it in the car unless the LAW makes me....and even then I may not.
5/31/2012 11:23:14 PM
First, my wife has shot just about everything that exists in a .380, 9mm and .40. She compromised for a while with the S&W M&P .40c. When the Shield came out in 9mm I bought it. She loves this pistol so much that she runs through magazines before taking a break. Before she'd shoot maybe 5-6 rounds max with anything else.
As for the purse carry. I don't like the idea, but if that is what it takes to get her to carry then so be it. Its a start. You have to start somewhere.
ben
As for the purse carry. I don't like the idea, but if that is what it takes to get her to carry then so be it. Its a start. You have to start somewhere.
ben
6/1/2012 3:08:29 AM
which everone she shoots best and is reliable
6/1/2012 3:15:34 AM
guns aint magic wands...but, whatever to get more good folks carrying and training
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/18656956/man-robbed-with-own-handgun-in-mpls-mugging
Man robbed with own handgun in Minneapolis mugging
MINNEAPOLIS -
Police say a Minneapolis man was walking home May 21 when he was blind-sided by a robber and pushed up against a parked car before his assailant took the victim's gun –- which he had a conceal and carry permit for -– and placed it against his head.
According to police, the robber struck near 31st Street East and 3rd Avenue, just blocks away from the victim's home. He demanded the victim turn over the rest of his valuables. The victim lost his pistol and wallet in the mugging.
The victim's arm was injured by the impact against the car, rendering him unable to defend himself.
"I don't think there's anything this guy could have done to prevent this," Sgt. Bill Palmer told FOX 9 News. "He did get blitzed. He was injured."
The victim's 911 call helped officers locate the suspect, who was walking near the crime scene. Though he tried to hide from officers, he was promptly arrested.
The victim's handgun was not recovered.
Police identified the suspect as Willie Merriweather, 34, of Minneapolis –– a convicted felon with numerous aliases. He is charged with aggravated robbery in the first degree for the May 21 robbery.
Merriweather is in custody at the Hennepin County Jail.
Though he didn't want to go on camera, FOX 9 News spoke with the victim, who said he's been carrying a gun for over a year but never saw the attack coming.
The 23-year-old said he wrestled with his attacker as he reached for his weapon, but was overpowered.
"You have to understand that the gun can be taken way from you, used against you, or used in another crime if it's taken away," said Palmer.
Still, police said even with an estimated 80,000 people licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state, this is the first time they've heard of someone being robbed with their own weapon. They say it's a teaching moment.
On the flip side, Heather Martens, of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says the incident only confirms her group's suspicion about handguns.
"I think people who are very highly trained can use a gun properly and carry it with them properly. It's still –– for most people –– not a good idea," she said.
Martens says most people choose not to carry a gun because they realize it could be taken away and they are not trained in what to do during an attack.
Yet, the victim told FOX 9 News he still believes the ability to defend yourself is an important asset in an unexpected attack.
"It doesn't automatically make you safe," he said. "It gives you an opportunity to make a horrible, horrible situation slightly less horrible. It gives you a chance. It doesn't give you a magic certainty."
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/18656956/man-robbed-with-own-handgun-in-mpls-mugging
Man robbed with own handgun in Minneapolis mugging
MINNEAPOLIS -
Police say a Minneapolis man was walking home May 21 when he was blind-sided by a robber and pushed up against a parked car before his assailant took the victim's gun –- which he had a conceal and carry permit for -– and placed it against his head.
According to police, the robber struck near 31st Street East and 3rd Avenue, just blocks away from the victim's home. He demanded the victim turn over the rest of his valuables. The victim lost his pistol and wallet in the mugging.
The victim's arm was injured by the impact against the car, rendering him unable to defend himself.
"I don't think there's anything this guy could have done to prevent this," Sgt. Bill Palmer told FOX 9 News. "He did get blitzed. He was injured."
The victim's 911 call helped officers locate the suspect, who was walking near the crime scene. Though he tried to hide from officers, he was promptly arrested.
The victim's handgun was not recovered.
Police identified the suspect as Willie Merriweather, 34, of Minneapolis –– a convicted felon with numerous aliases. He is charged with aggravated robbery in the first degree for the May 21 robbery.
Merriweather is in custody at the Hennepin County Jail.
Though he didn't want to go on camera, FOX 9 News spoke with the victim, who said he's been carrying a gun for over a year but never saw the attack coming.
The 23-year-old said he wrestled with his attacker as he reached for his weapon, but was overpowered.
"You have to understand that the gun can be taken way from you, used against you, or used in another crime if it's taken away," said Palmer.
Still, police said even with an estimated 80,000 people licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state, this is the first time they've heard of someone being robbed with their own weapon. They say it's a teaching moment.
On the flip side, Heather Martens, of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says the incident only confirms her group's suspicion about handguns.
"I think people who are very highly trained can use a gun properly and carry it with them properly. It's still –– for most people –– not a good idea," she said.
Martens says most people choose not to carry a gun because they realize it could be taken away and they are not trained in what to do during an attack.
Yet, the victim told FOX 9 News he still believes the ability to defend yourself is an important asset in an unexpected attack.
"It doesn't automatically make you safe," he said. "It gives you an opportunity to make a horrible, horrible situation slightly less horrible. It gives you a chance. It doesn't give you a magic certainty."
6/2/2012 8:42:33 PM
Originally Posted By SethP:
I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
As a person in the know, I will say this once for you to let it sink in: NEVER let your wife carry a pistol in her purse. EVER. The first thing a perp will take, 90% of the time is the purse. So, now.....think about it. He's got her purse. Money. Credit Cards. Identification. Car keys. House keys. Home address. And, now, her gun.
Any and all guns stay on the person if the intention is to carry. She can drop the purse, and fight to get away, using the pistol. Or, she can defend the kids, up close and personal.
Okay, I will say it again: NEVER, ever carry a pistol on the purse. I saw this go wrong sooo many times.
Originally Posted By SethP:
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
As a person in the know, I will say this once for you to let it sink in: NEVER let your wife carry a pistol in her purse. EVER. The first thing a perp will take, 90% of the time is the purse. So, now.....think about it. He's got her purse. Money. Credit Cards. Identification. Car keys. House keys. Home address. And, now, her gun.
Any and all guns stay on the person if the intention is to carry. She can drop the purse, and fight to get away, using the pistol. Or, she can defend the kids, up close and personal.
Okay, I will say it again: NEVER, ever carry a pistol on the purse. I saw this go wrong sooo many times.
I guess I just don't get this argument... Usually if the perp is taking the purse, he doesn't have any intent of doing anything after that.
If he wants to steal her purse, and run away. That's fine, she doesn't need the gun for that situation.
If he wants to do something else, I doubt the first thing he will do is take the purse, but more likely try to make some physical assault.
I will second what rojodiablo said.
purse snatchers of todayare not the purse snatchers of yesterday. street criminals are not "just after the money" some are yes, but now the breed is violent, cruel and vicious. and will all stand around and laugh as their buddy, who at first started to just grab the purse, but because the woman had the tumerity to resist in the slightest and the thug is offended, rapes, beats and then rapes the woman. however rape is so inconvienient sometimes maybe just a quick ass beating while his "friends" go through the purse and find the gun.
then, well, nobaody can tell you what may happen next.
.
6/4/2012 11:35:19 AM
Does she shoot much? (Much/alot = >100rds every week or so) If not, get her shooting a full size gun in 9mm, something that she can manage the recoil well and become proficient with. Then work your way down to smaller pistols and find what she can still manage and still perform the manual of arms under stress, but yet have it small enough to conceal ON HER PERSON.
For a woman who presumably has weak wrists and hand strength and who doesn't shoot much, a small revolver is NOT what you want. Sure it may be light enough that she can carry it, but it is one of the hardest guns to shoot accurately and work the manual of arms on. It also has an insanely hard to pull trigger that will make shooting, even at the range, difficult. All of this is compounded by the harsh recoil that is painful for even a large adult male when shooting +P carry rounds.
I personally carry an Airweight, but I have trained where I can hit what I am aiming at and quickly, and I use it only for situations where I can't hide anything else, and would deploy it only when I cannot flee the situation, or a family member is in direct danger. I have let my wife dry-fire it a few times, and she was having trouble keeping the gun steady through the long, heavy trigger pull, where her M&P9 is a perfect fit for her. Even I don't like the recoil and trigger pull from my 642, I can't imagine giving it to a girl who doesn't shoot and expecting it to be actually useful in a self defense situation.
In picking the carry gun, be entirely sure that it is reliable before you let her carry it (put several hundred rounds through it, preferably with her doing the shooting) to find out if it has any problems that would present themselves in a self defense/stressful shoot situation. If it jams once every 100rds, you probably should sell it and find something else. Once every 200rds is iffy, I would still sell it. Once every 500rds is still uncomfortable but workable. Once every 1000rds and you are probably good. But you really need to know before she actually has to use it.
For a woman who presumably has weak wrists and hand strength and who doesn't shoot much, a small revolver is NOT what you want. Sure it may be light enough that she can carry it, but it is one of the hardest guns to shoot accurately and work the manual of arms on. It also has an insanely hard to pull trigger that will make shooting, even at the range, difficult. All of this is compounded by the harsh recoil that is painful for even a large adult male when shooting +P carry rounds.
I personally carry an Airweight, but I have trained where I can hit what I am aiming at and quickly, and I use it only for situations where I can't hide anything else, and would deploy it only when I cannot flee the situation, or a family member is in direct danger. I have let my wife dry-fire it a few times, and she was having trouble keeping the gun steady through the long, heavy trigger pull, where her M&P9 is a perfect fit for her. Even I don't like the recoil and trigger pull from my 642, I can't imagine giving it to a girl who doesn't shoot and expecting it to be actually useful in a self defense situation.
In picking the carry gun, be entirely sure that it is reliable before you let her carry it (put several hundred rounds through it, preferably with her doing the shooting) to find out if it has any problems that would present themselves in a self defense/stressful shoot situation. If it jams once every 100rds, you probably should sell it and find something else. Once every 200rds is iffy, I would still sell it. Once every 500rds is still uncomfortable but workable. Once every 1000rds and you are probably good. But you really need to know before she actually has to use it.
6/4/2012 12:04:00 PM
Originally Posted By SethP:
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
After evaluating absolutely everything under the sun.
She has narrowed her options down to a Sig P290 (9mm) and a Kahr P380 (.380)
She really likes the size of the kahr, but likes the sig for a lot of other reasons, many of which are rather silly, though it being a 9mm is obviously nice.
As mentioned, it will be her purse gun, so weight and size is obviously a factor.
Thoughts guys?
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kahr-p380.jpghttp://www.reedssports.com/Sites/reeds/Image/catimages/sig-sauer-p290-two-tone.gif
Has she actually shot them? What I did was make multiple trips to a store where I could hold all the guns side by side. I am so glad my husband didn't just go out and buy me a gun.
And with the purse thing - When she first starts to carry, let her be comfortable with it. Let her get use to having it with her. If she is not comfortable with in on her person but is ok with it in her purse let her do that for a while till she does get comfortable with it.
6/4/2012 12:36:04 PM
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
6/4/2012 12:43:28 PM
The gun she shoots the best will be the best choice for her. DO NOT buy a gun she hasn't shot. Having never shot either of those, I can's say for sure, but I'd expect the straight blowback .380 to be harder to shoot than the locked breech 9mm.
Carrying in a purse is really dumb, but size and weight is no where near as important for a purse gun as for one that is carried on the person.
Carrying in a purse is really dumb, but size and weight is no where near as important for a purse gun as for one that is carried on the person.
6/4/2012 8:23:34 PM
Airweight. Tell her to Cowgirl up and learn how to shoot it.
billy boy
billy boy
6/5/2012 1:35:01 AM
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
You might want to get out more. Girls are very clever at making tactical purses.
Google it. There's a company of women in Illinios who are very clever incorporating carry into a purse.
6/7/2012 11:25:58 AM
Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
guns aint magic wands...but, whatever to get more good folks carrying and training
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/18656956/man-robbed-with-own-handgun-in-mpls-mugging
Man robbed with own handgun in Minneapolis mugging
MINNEAPOLIS -
Police say a Minneapolis man was walking home May 21 when he was blind-sided by a robber and pushed up against a parked car before his assailant took the victim's gun –- which he had a conceal and carry permit for -– and placed it against his head.
According to police, the robber struck near 31st Street East and 3rd Avenue, just blocks away from the victim's home. He demanded the victim turn over the rest of his valuables. The victim lost his pistol and wallet in the mugging.
The victim's arm was injured by the impact against the car, rendering him unable to defend himself.
"I don't think there's anything this guy could have done to prevent this," Sgt. Bill Palmer told FOX 9 News. "He did get blitzed. He was injured."
The victim's 911 call helped officers locate the suspect, who was walking near the crime scene. Though he tried to hide from officers, he was promptly arrested.
The victim's handgun was not recovered.
Police identified the suspect as Willie Merriweather, 34, of Minneapolis –– a convicted felon with numerous aliases. He is charged with aggravated robbery in the first degree for the May 21 robbery.
Merriweather is in custody at the Hennepin County Jail.
Though he didn't want to go on camera, FOX 9 News spoke with the victim, who said he's been carrying a gun for over a year but never saw the attack coming.
The 23-year-old said he wrestled with his attacker as he reached for his weapon, but was overpowered.
"You have to understand that the gun can be taken way from you, used against you, or used in another crime if it's taken away," said Palmer.
Still, police said even with an estimated 80,000 people licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state, this is the first time they've heard of someone being robbed with their own weapon. They say it's a teaching moment.
On the flip side, Heather Martens, of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says the incident only confirms her group's suspicion about handguns.
"I think people who are very highly trained can use a gun properly and carry it with them properly. It's still –– for most people –– not a good idea," she said.
Martens says most people choose not to carry a gun because they realize it could be taken away and they are not trained in what to do during an attack.
Yet, the victim told FOX 9 News he still believes the ability to defend yourself is an important asset in an unexpected attack.
"It doesn't automatically make you safe," he said. "It gives you an opportunity to make a horrible, horrible situation slightly less horrible. It gives you a chance. It doesn't give you a magic certainty."
guns aint magic wands...but, whatever to get more good folks carrying and training
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/18656956/man-robbed-with-own-handgun-in-mpls-mugging
Man robbed with own handgun in Minneapolis mugging
MINNEAPOLIS -
Police say a Minneapolis man was walking home May 21 when he was blind-sided by a robber and pushed up against a parked car before his assailant took the victim's gun –- which he had a conceal and carry permit for -– and placed it against his head.
According to police, the robber struck near 31st Street East and 3rd Avenue, just blocks away from the victim's home. He demanded the victim turn over the rest of his valuables. The victim lost his pistol and wallet in the mugging.
The victim's arm was injured by the impact against the car, rendering him unable to defend himself.
"I don't think there's anything this guy could have done to prevent this," Sgt. Bill Palmer told FOX 9 News. "He did get blitzed. He was injured."
The victim's 911 call helped officers locate the suspect, who was walking near the crime scene. Though he tried to hide from officers, he was promptly arrested.
The victim's handgun was not recovered.
Police identified the suspect as Willie Merriweather, 34, of Minneapolis –– a convicted felon with numerous aliases. He is charged with aggravated robbery in the first degree for the May 21 robbery.
Merriweather is in custody at the Hennepin County Jail.
Though he didn't want to go on camera, FOX 9 News spoke with the victim, who said he's been carrying a gun for over a year but never saw the attack coming.
The 23-year-old said he wrestled with his attacker as he reached for his weapon, but was overpowered.
"You have to understand that the gun can be taken way from you, used against you, or used in another crime if it's taken away," said Palmer.
Still, police said even with an estimated 80,000 people licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state, this is the first time they've heard of someone being robbed with their own weapon. They say it's a teaching moment.
On the flip side, Heather Martens, of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says the incident only confirms her group's suspicion about handguns.
"I think people who are very highly trained can use a gun properly and carry it with them properly. It's still –– for most people –– not a good idea," she said.
Martens says most people choose not to carry a gun because they realize it could be taken away and they are not trained in what to do during an attack.
Yet, the victim told FOX 9 News he still believes the ability to defend yourself is an important asset in an unexpected attack.
"It doesn't automatically make you safe," he said. "It gives you an opportunity to make a horrible, horrible situation slightly less horrible. It gives you a chance. It doesn't give you a magic certainty."
People NEED to take an ECQC class with Craig Douglas. It costs a little money, but is well worth it. Most all people will immediately go for their weapon when assaulted. This is what happens if you go for your weapon at the wrong time. ECQC will teach you when to go for it and how to control the situation to your benefit.
The purse carry is a controversial subject. Yes, the criminal will get the weapon when grabbing the purse. The majority of gun people (people who own guns) think of defensive carry in a one dimensional perspective. A person needing something for personal protection does not need to go out and buy a gun, shoot it at paper, and call it good. The firearm is at the top of a pyramid that needs to be established before ever even picking and carrying a gun. It all begins with mindset, situational awareness, and then basic hands on training. This is the time to decide on what to buy. Then a person needs to get training to RUN the gun. Not just pull it out and shoot it. They need to be as familiar with the firearm as they are with their toothbrush, or hair dryer, or whatever they use everyday. I can't count the number of people that come to me and tell me they just got a new gun. I ask what kind and they say a "black one."
6/7/2012 11:40:27 AM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
You might want to get out more. Girls are very clever at making tactical purses.
Google it. There's a company of women in Illinios who are very clever incorporating carry into a purse.
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
You might want to get out more. Girls are very clever at making tactical purses.
Google it. There's a company of women in Illinios who are very clever incorporating carry into a purse.
What I meant is that off body carry is completely unacceptable, regardless of the purse. And women are often very retarded with/about guns, so I don't see how the gender of carry purse manufacturers is relevant. Is a carry purse better than just stuffing a gun in a handbag? Of course, much better, and I had assumed a carry purse what the OP was talking about. It's still not ok, though.
6/7/2012 10:19:08 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
You might want to get out more. Girls are very clever at making testicle purses.
Google it. There's a company of women in Illinios who are very clever incorporating carry into a purse.
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
Carrying in a purse is completely unacceptable.
You might want to get out more. Girls are very clever at making testicle purses.
Google it. There's a company of women in Illinios who are very clever incorporating carry into a purse.
I fixed it for you......
Regardless of who makes the purse, think about my post. It does not matter what kind of purse it is; 95% of ALL muggings and street robberies are coming from behind, or from the side.
If a man is robbing a man, he get's the jump on him; from behind. purse snatcher does the same thing. More often than not, when we saw a blindside attack? The perp hit the victim in the head, on the side. The victim went DOWN. Big, grown, tough men were KO'd more than once. A CC won't necessarily help this. But, I can tell you, several people who were blindsided were beaten, and robbed, and the pistol was not taken. The perp got the wallet/ purse, and split.
