Question About Law Enforcement Buying there own M4s.

Question About Law Enforcement Buying there own M4s.


I have a friend i went to school with that's now a City Cop, and i been wondering if he uses his own money to buy a M4 with an auto Option and he then is no longer a cop ( we have a high turn over rate people in charge not knowing what there doing most of the time.) is he allowed to keep his gun seeing as he spent his own money on it?


Because it would suck for him to not get to keep that thing after he spent HIS money on it.

You are talking about buying a post 86 MG on Dept letterhead, right? The short answer is no, he could not keep it if he left the department.

OK, i was going to ask on here Because every time we get a new Chef of police They like to replace 3/4 of the people with there friends.


The hole thing behind this was he was wishing to replace his crappy issued rifle with a new one but the city FAILS at managing money.

He can't buy it and thus he cannot keep it. Only the Dept. can buy it.

Have him buy an AR-15 that he wants. And have the dep. buy a DIAS for it. So he can have full auto, but if he leaves he just takes out the DIAS and keeps his AR-15.

Once full auto, always full auto (F'ed up rule) so it would still be considered a machine gun and he still would not be able to keep it.

Most departments authorize only semi auto rifles for road patrol. Full auto is reserved for SWAT.

My department has begun signing off on short barrels since they can be handier in the car but we have to incur the expense ourselves. Short barrels can be kept after you leave the department.

I would suggest your friend just buy a semi auto. If he was gonna buy a true machine gun that he can keep then he is going to have to find a pre-1986 M16 for sale and it is gonna cost $$$$$.

I was of the impression that a rdias is a stand alone device and can be put in and removed from any ar15 at anytime. .

No.


The DIAS in this example is the machinegun. Without the DIAS installed, the rifle reverts to Title 1 status.

"Once a machinegun" only applies to actual machinegun receivers, not drop in conversions.

This would not apply in this case because the DIAS is considered the machine gun and the AR is just the host weapon.

However, in my experience and opinion, don't bother with full auto for LE work. Its unnecessary, I have it and have no use for it in an AR/M16 (in a MP5 it is of slightly more use but still of marginal at best utility).

You do not know what you are talking about.

Okay, jeez, I stand corrected. I thought full auto was full auto, isn't that how they prosecuted that .mil who had a malfunctioning AR?

MHO still stands, buy an AR, no need for full auto.

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For some unknown reason a lot of people think that individual law enforcement officers can buy a brand new machine gun because they are in law enforcement. That is incorrect. The agency itself can buy one but it is agency owned. The only way for any individual (law enforcement or not) to buy a machine gun is a pre-'86 example.

Besides, full auto for road cops is something that admin would not go for unless the guns were given to the agency for free. It's too much liability for the very limited usefulness (and I totally agree).

Most depts don't want their officers to have full auto.

Most depts don't want their officers to have full auto.[/quote]

Exactly, you are responsible for every round (just like buckshot). I do think the 2 shot burst on the UMP and the 3 shot on the MP5 absolutely have an application in LE. The DRMO M16's are fun at the range but should stay on semi in real world applications.

Years ago, .mil actually had a program to give select fire surplus M-16A2s to departments who applied and qualified. Many, if not most departments, installed a block on the full auto and/or prohibited use on full auto for the reasons above.

EDIT: looks like program is still iactive & sending out old surplus M16s (pics at link): http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=98792

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they prosecuted him for having an unregistered MG. completely unrelated to this discussion.

if you don't know what you're talking about, please don't make bold statements like the above.

Hellbound I believe they actually charged and convicted him for illegally transfering an unregistered machine gun. That is one of the interesting things about the Olaoson case, they didn't charge him with manufacturing or possesion.

I didn't realize that was the case he was referring to

Didn't his friend also testify that the AR had a third selector position and it would normally fire full auto?

That's still a different scenario and completely unrelated to the use of a DIAS.

Cue LEO's that want Suppressors on Duty Weapons in 5, 4, 3 ,2, .......

The Sheriff's department in my county recently got some M16A1s through the program. Many of them looked brand new, and the "auto" selector position and function is still active on all of them.

Yes; the county police here got a bunch a few year ago and they had all the internals swapped over to semi auto. Only the SWAT team has full auto and they bought brand new M4's.

Ahhh..if this were possible I'd quit my job as an engineer, become an LEO for long enough to get an M16, then quit and go back to engineering. Of course I wouldn't admit it since it probably would be seen like starting a business just to build full auto toys for myself. Nevermind, that sounds stupid. It would be cheaper and easier just to buy one for $10k. I'm sure I'm not the only one who daydreams about a way to get around 922(o).


And about the DIAS, wouldn't the host gun still have other no-no full auto parts installed even after the DIAS was removed?

Just as the short upper (if one were present) would need to come off when the DIAS was removed, so too would the FA internals need to be removed.

It seems like people always get hooked for transferring, why is that?

Im new to this, but don't recall any charges being brought for manufacturing.

Even Dodson, the dias guy, was only indicted for transfer. 151 counts.

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Interstate commerce? Just a guess, but I would imagine that the NFA restrictions are based on the interstate commerce clause. In that case, if you make a bunch of DIAS in your basement, you haven't engaged in interstate commerce until you start selling them. Hence, illegal transfer.

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I see no issue with that. Why isn't their hearing important? Not to mention environments such as meth labs where flammable material can be found.

i have had some local departments bring in their .mil issued M16 rifles (lots of A1's btw) to have them *converted* to semi-auto only. we remove the complete selectfire trigger group / sear and install new semi parts. the FA parts are put in a bag and tagged for later .mil audit / inspection. one PD has even purchased a few short uppers and 6 position stocks to run on the .mil lowers (now semi).

we have lots of LE customers that are running their own SBRs on duty and a few PDs that have started purchasing SBRs for duty use. the last thing any of them would ever need / want is FA. it's an absolutely useless function for LE work. hell, FA wasn't all that great in the military.

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