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t-rav11  [Member]
8/30/2011 11:15:46 PM
I currently am on probation for a wreck I had a few years back, its for deadly conduct, only thing I could get deferred. I got drugged at a bar one night and drove home and blacked out and ended up in the hospital for 4 weeks. So I am on deferred judification for the class A misdemeanor. Can I apply and get my ffl while I am on probation still or does it matter? I have nothing on my record and have never been convicted of anything, this is the only thing that is worse than traffic tickets, but its being deferred. I Have yet to get a real answer from anyone about this subject matter. I still buy guns regularly while on it, just would like some advice to wether I can get my FFL.
rcoers  [Member]
8/31/2011 7:34:05 AM
Do the terms of your probation say anything about firearms? Do you have a place that is properly zoned? If not, don't waste your time.
mn_mike  [Member]
8/31/2011 9:30:33 AM
Originally Posted By t-rav11:
I currently am on probation for a wreck I had a few years back, its for deadly conduct, only thing I could get deferred. I got drugged at a bar one night and drove home and blacked out and ended up in the hospital for 4 weeks. So I am on deferred judification for the class A misdemeanor. Can I apply and get my ffl while I am on probation still or does it matter? I have nothing on my record and have never been convicted of anything, this is the only thing that is worse than traffic tickets, but its being deferred. I Have yet to get a real answer from anyone about this subject matter. I still buy guns regularly while on it, just would like some advice to wether I can get my FFL.


Before I applied for my license, I called and talked to an ATF agent with a ton of questions. Wouldn't hurt to ask.

Also, even if you are denied, I believe they refund your application fee. So really, if you feel like it's something you want to do, fill out the paperwork and let it fly. The worse they could do is say no.

Mike in MN
t-rav11  [Member]
8/31/2011 9:31:48 AM
terms say nothing about anything firearms or anything. I am still on the shooting team at my school, and my po knows well of it. I travel around the state to shoot sporting clays tournaments. Its just the name of the misdemeanor that sounds scary, but its the one that involves no weapon.

I would use my permanent address when I graduate in December my parents place. We live on a farm. Zoning would be no issue there. I am also building a pistol and rifle range at my place to entice sales in the future.

I have tried asking the ATF and they would not give me a clear answer, I called several times and left voicemails for the field agent back home and nothing.
t-rav11  [Member]
8/31/2011 5:52:04 PM
Can anyone help me on this issue, I know its not a normal situation, I just need a definite answer.
txyaloo  [Member]
8/31/2011 7:05:00 PM
You're not going to get a definite answer on here. We're not the ATF and can't make that determination.

I would not take the word of a phone call. I would want whatever decision the ATF gives you in writing. I'd suggest writing a letter to the FFLC with your question. In the end, they and your local IOI will have the final say.
Dragracer_Art  [Team Member]
8/31/2011 11:13:52 PM
Are you serious ?

Find another business to get involved in.

It's difficult enough with a squeaky-clean background.

You were charged with a "misdemeanor" and have few years on "probation" and were "drugged in a bar" ???

Don't waste your time or the BATF's time. You haven't got a snowballs chance in Hell.
RenegadeX  [Member]
8/31/2011 11:28:18 PM

Originally Posted By t-rav11:

Can anyone help me on this issue, I know its not a normal situation, I just need a definite answer.

No problem, definite answer is you can get an FFL, assuming the misdemeanor was not puniishable with more than a year in jail. If this was in Texas than it was not. I assume you have no problem buying firearms right now....

FFL is a SHALL ISSUE license.

ETA: Here is relevant law:

(d)(1) Any application submitted under subsection (a) or (b) of this 
section shall be approved if––
        (A) the applicant is twenty-one years of age or over;
        (B) the applicant (including, in the case of a corporation, 
    partnership, or association, any individual possessing, directly or 
    indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the 
    management and policies of the corporation, partnership, or 
    association) is not prohibited from transporting, shipping, or 
    receiving firearms or ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce 
    under section 922(g) and (n) of this chapter;
        (C) the applicant has not willfully violated any of the 
    provisions of this chapter or regulations issued thereunder;
        (D) the applicant has not willfully failed to disclose any 
    material information required, or has not made any false statement 
    as to any material fact, in connection with his application;
        (E) the applicant has in a State (i) premises from which he 
    conducts business subject to license under this chapter or from 
    which he intends to conduct such business within a reasonable period 
    of time, or (ii) in the case of a collector, premises from which he 
    conducts his collecting subject to license under this chapter or 
    from which he intends to conduct such collecting within a reasonable 
    period of time;
        (F) the applicant certifies that––
            (i) the business to be conducted under the license is not 
        prohibited by State or local law in the place where the licensed 
        premise is located;
            (ii)(I) within 30 days after the application is approved the 
        business will comply with the requirements of State and local 
        law applicable to the conduct of the business; and
            (II) the business will not be conducted under the license 
        until the requirements of State and local law applicable to the 
        business have been met; and
            (iii) that the applicant has sent or delivered a form to be 
        prescribed by the Attorney General, to the chief law enforcement 
        officer of the locality in which the premises are located, which 
        indicates that the applicant intends to apply for a Federal 
        firearms license; and

        (G) in the case of an application to be licensed as a dealer, 
    the applicant certifies that secure gun storage or safety devices 
    will be available at any place in which firearms are sold under the 
    license to persons who are not licensees (subject to the exception 
    that in any case in which a secure gun storage or safety device is 
    temporarily unavailable because of theft, casualty loss, consumer 
    sales, backorders from a manufacturer, or any other similar reason 
    beyond the control of the licensee, the dealer shall not be 
    considered to be in violation of the requirement under this 
    subparagraph to make available such a device).

    (2) The Attorney General must approve or deny an application for a 
license within the 60-day period beginning on the date it is received. 
If the Attorney General fails to act within such
period, the applicant may file an action under section 1361 of title 28 
to compel the Attorney General to act. If the Attorney General approves 
an applicant's application, such applicant shall be issued a license 
upon the payment of the prescribed fee.

t-rav11  [Member]
9/1/2011 12:36:07 PM
I dont see the reason to be rude, and yes I was drugged, didnt think I spelled it wrong my blood work from the hospital proves the fact I had roofies in my system. Also to add I did not drug myself for the people who are poking fun. I was never charged with anything, I am deferred judification for deadly conduct. It was the only opinion the DA was giving me to have a clean record and to be deferred.
sumkrnboy  [Team Member]
9/1/2011 1:00:03 PM
One way to find out... just apply for that FFL.
Dragracer_Art  [Team Member]
9/1/2011 8:07:29 PM
Originally Posted By t-rav11:
I dont see the reason to be rude, and yes I was drugged, didnt think I spelled it wrong my blood work from the hospital proves the fact I had roofies in my system. Also to add I did not drug myself for the people who are poking fun. I was never charged with anything, I am deferred judification for deadly conduct. It was the only opinion the DA was giving me to have a clean record and to be deferred.


Sorry if I came off rude... Didn't intend it that way.

I just meant to say there are much easier and better lines of work to get into, especially so if you have past legal issues.

I've only been at this a little over a year and I'm already tired of dealing with assholes and problem customers. In hindsight, I would not recommend it to anyone.