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 The new SIG 551-A1
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 10:07:36 PM

Looks like a step in the right direction....

JsARCLIGHT  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 10:12:25 PM
Any other info? Like, when and price?
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/17/2011 10:27:57 PM
I read $1800.00 from CDNN. Available in a couple of weeks....
tiger222  [Member]
6/18/2011 12:00:21 AM
sweet, no wonder I've seen so many 551 conversions come up for cheap....
_DR  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 12:06:39 AM

I like it, but at $1800 I will still have to pass.

My early model SIG556 is still going strong.
Landric  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 12:56:45 AM
Nice looking rifle, but since my 556 ER/Classic is flawless, I can't see dropping $1800 for one. For that I could just about buy another 556 and a Colt LE6920.
Magnus  [Member]
6/18/2011 9:06:19 AM
A patrol version would be sweet. Love the lines. Mags are bucks though. With what current 556's are trading at you might see these in the 1200-1400 range especially when coming from CDNN. Way aggressive on pricing those guys.
JsARCLIGHT  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 9:53:31 AM
I've always wanted a 551 but two things kept me away... The price and the availability of magazines.

I can stomach the $1800 price tag, but they'd need to dump a ton of mags on the market before I'd bite.
FiremanFrank  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 10:55:24 AM
Looks nice but I already have a nice early 556 with swiss parts. Is this one totally made in Switzerland or does it have US parts? I think at least some of the parts have to be US since it would otherwise not be imported.
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 12:32:30 PM
Originally Posted By FiremanFrank:
Looks nice but I already have a nice early 556 with swiss parts. Is this one totally made in Switzerland or does it have US parts? I think at least some of the parts have to be US since it would otherwise not be imported.


No, it's American made.
m4hk33  [Member]
6/18/2011 12:38:00 PM
Hmmm, might pick one up for my Swiss upper. Any rumor on a source for mags? I had a Swiss lower but sold it because mags were silly expensive.
JsARCLIGHT  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 12:42:25 PM
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
Hmmm, might pick one up for my Swiss upper. Any rumor on a source for mags? I had a Swiss lower but sold it because mags were silly expensive.


CDNN has the 20's and 30's listed for $50 each.

My concern is that that quantity will run out and then where will the mags come from? Is Sig going to release new mags?
CJan_NH  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 4:11:21 PM
One of the things that turned me to the 556 originally was it's compatibility with the hundreds of AR mags already in my collection-along with the pouches, spare parts, and loaders that go along with them. Bummer

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BUCC_Guy  [Team Member]
6/18/2011 5:20:17 PM
HELL YEAH!


That is the SIG rifle that should have been made to begin with!


The butchered, Americanized version is icky. I want the same, elusive rifle from the 1980s that was always a pipe dream. I want expensive, rock-in Swiss mags.


I want this gun.


Gotta pin that stock in CT, tho.
PBarkley  [Member]
6/18/2011 5:54:15 PM
So it's not Swiss made, doesn't use AR mags like the 556, and it's still more expensive than all the 556's currently on the market...

I guess this is one of those "I'm buying this just to have it" kinda things...because quite honestly, my 556ER has been perfect for me (ergonomically and flawless performance) and I can't see this serving as a viable replacement for it. To each their own.
m4hk33  [Member]
6/19/2011 10:32:48 AM
I don't know if I believe sig usa is making those lowers, considering there track record of trying to do things " economically" fit would be cheaper to import them from europe, considering most parts are us made now they would probably not have to worry about 922.

Import vs tool up. Looking at the cost its not much more than a standard, msrp wise
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 11:35:24 AM
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
I don't know if I believe sig usa is making those lowers, considering there track record of trying to do things " economically" fit would be cheaper to import them from europe, considering most parts are us made now they would probably not have to worry about 922.

Import vs tool up. Looking at the cost its not much more than a standard, msrp wise


The lower is somewhat different in appearance than a standard 551, and it's also alloy, rather than steel.
m4hk33  [Member]
6/19/2011 1:34:58 PM
I see says the blind man, interesting? Alloy? Any idea what type? Im guessing aluminum?
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 1:53:26 PM
7075 aluminum.
Trumpet  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 6:58:52 PM
So is this essentially a 556 that takes more expensive and harder to find mags?
LIONHART  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 7:07:35 PM
Originally Posted By Trumpet:
So is this essentially a 556 that takes more expensive and harder to find mags?


BINGO!

Dawg180  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 7:33:44 PM
The funny thing is if SIG had introduced this version in the first place everyone would have pissed and moaned how it took expensive, hard to find SIG 550 mags and not the ubiqitous and affordable USGI and Pmags!
JsARCLIGHT  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 7:54:52 PM
Not pick nits but if Sig introduced this version first I'd have to imagine they'd release the mags with it.

If folks can stomach a $1800 rifle you'd think they could stomach $50-$70 mags... so long as there is a reliable source for said mags.

... this spoken by a guy who spends his off hours looking for HK MP5/40 mags.
BUCC_Guy  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 10:12:49 PM

Originally Posted By LIONHART:
7075 aluminum.




Why can't they just make a fucking gun like it's supposed to be made?

Seriously? How much more could a steel sheet cost?
myitinaw  [Life Member]
6/19/2011 10:21:45 PM





Dawg180  [Team Member]
6/19/2011 11:19:11 PM
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By LIONHART:
7075 aluminum.




Why can't they just make a fucking gun like it's supposed to be made?

Seriously? How much more could a steel sheet cost?


Stamping sheet steel is still a bit of an art form, plus you have to weld it properly. Lots of cost involved in stamping dies, and skilled labor. Plus a lot of QC involved.

Machining aluminum is pretty simple by comparison (draft it up in a CAD CAM program, and have any machine shop throw a block on the mill) and cost effective in smaller numbers.

With SIG's track record on QC, I would take a machined aluminum lower over a stamped and welded sheet metal lower any day of the week!
dwhitehorne  [Member]
6/20/2011 12:30:08 PM
I wonder if it will actually come with that rear stock shown? David
LA_357SIG  [Team Member]
6/20/2011 1:42:30 PM
Not to be "that guy" bu SIG has dropped the ball on a few products lately. My 556CS only had a warped top rail. And I only paid $1400 for it. Dropping $1800 for one with limited magazine availability and the same QC resopnsible for the STANAG model 556's is a very big gamble. Unfortunately not one I'm going to take.

And I really (REALLY) wanted one after watching the Bourne trilogy. They must give those away like candy in Europe.
guitarguy774  [Member]
6/22/2011 11:32:03 PM
Mommy I'm scared!
But seriously Sig actually coming through with a semi close design to the 550? I'm surprised, and baffled it took half a decade to come close to this. I know 20" barreled rifles have fallen out of favor for carbines, but I'd still love a 550.
twistedcomrade  [Team Member]
6/23/2011 4:45:18 AM
What makes the barrel "military grade"? Does this claim hold water?
Kisara  [Team Member]
6/24/2011 2:00:06 AM
Yes its something closer to a Swiss 551 than the Classic and others in the 556 series, and I will probably want to get one. But unfortunately it WILL be made with the QC we have come to know in recent years, and the famous (Infamous?) CS that comes with it. My 2009 West Coast Armory 551 had the gas ports in the adjustable valve drilled in the reverse positions of where they should have been. Yes, in a factory produced limited edition.

Thank you CDNN for making this happen. Just keep a close eye on the factory work.

therex  [Team Member]
6/24/2011 8:18:29 PM
Looks good. Now where can i order one of those stocks...
preokc  [Member]
6/26/2011 10:35:35 PM
Well my first 556 was a 556 commando with green furniture costing me 1500 plus tax. I thought i was getting a good deal on it. My second sig was a sig classic at 1500 plus tax that i thought i was a good deal. A month after buying my classic Sig offered a 300 dollar rebate. Now the bottom has fell out on 556 rifles so im way underwater on my two sig rifles.

Although i like the new version im very relucktant to go buy a new sig!
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
6/26/2011 11:08:08 PM
Make it in pistol form and im in for one!

That would make one sexy SBR
Dawg180  [Team Member]
6/27/2011 12:04:47 AM
Originally Posted By preokc:
Well my first 556 was a 556 commando with green furniture costing me 1500 plus tax. I thought i was getting a good deal on it. My second sig was a sig classic at 1500 plus tax that i thought i was a good deal. A month after buying my classic Sig offered a 300 dollar rebate. Now the bottom has fell out on 556 rifles so im way underwater on my two sig rifles.

Although i like the new version im very relucktant to go buy a new sig!


Just like a house, you are only underwater if you actually try to sell it right now.
LegacyForce  [Member]
7/6/2011 3:16:33 PM
Do want!
SkyPup  [Member]
7/11/2011 7:40:57 PM
NRA's American Rifleman has a video of the new SIG 551-A1 in action with SIG Armorer at NRA HQ:

https://www.facebook.com/video...95586386942&comments

wesmerc  [Team Member]
7/11/2011 7:58:36 PM
I want one based on looks alone. I wonder how it will affect actual Swiss prices.
FreeTWOGame  [Member]
7/12/2011 6:26:25 PM
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By LIONHART:
7075 aluminum.




Why can't they just make a fucking gun like it's supposed to be made?

Seriously? How much more could a steel sheet cost?


Isn't the 550 lower machined steel? IE heavy
LanXang  [Member]
7/12/2011 8:20:44 PM
Originally Posted By FreeTWOGame:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By LIONHART:
7075 aluminum.




Why can't they just make a fucking gun like it's supposed to be made?

Seriously? How much more could a steel sheet cost?


Isn't the 550 lower machined steel? IE heavy


It's stamped steel.However Swiss arms makes two types of machined receivers. One for the 553 that resembles the stamped steel lowers, and another one that accepts ar mags.
Spade  [Member]
7/14/2011 10:52:59 PM
Fucking finally.

Slap a that 552 ish "patrol" upper to it and I'm all over it.
Top_Secret  [Team Member]
7/22/2011 4:46:07 PM
Let me know when they make a pistol version.
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
7/22/2011 7:04:21 PM
Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Let me know when they make a pistol version.


Thats what im screaming, make a awsome SBR