irrational hate towards sig?

Well I was browsing the web the other day just researching the hk 91 platform and I stopped by m4carbine and noticed a few threads on the sig 556, wow all I can say is there is a lot of irrational hate towards that weapon over there. There was even a post over there that although they have not seen the A1 lowers, most likely they are going to be shit as sig puts out a shit product.

Now I don’t know if I am lucky I have a very early sig 556 with Swiss internals, hell even the gas block has the same forging marks as my 551 parts kit. I have absolutely neglected my rifle for the past 4 years, shooting thousands of rounds of garbage wolf through it with not a single failure,

FWIW, I shoot the same ammo through my LMT short barrel rifle and it’s never had issues either but I do wipe it down and re-lube it after use,

I really couldn’t ask for anything more in a basic carbine, its accurate, its reliable, simplistic in nature. It just works

It seems like most of the posters are drawing this conclusion from teething issues such as the canted rails and gas port issue that came up a few years back, and a report that some police department were given some and they fell apart, not exactly sure of what specific issue they had. But they make it out the Sig is on par with the angry beavers at Century.

I mean I know the sig556 is an outclassed by many of the newer weapons systems, to include the AR in terms of modularity, but it’s a damn solid platform, its not like the Swiss internals were made out of depleted uranium and the US parts were made out of tin and Chinese Pot metal, it’s the same damn platform.

does sig cut some corners, yeah, of course, but throw away the garbage furnature and sights, are still left with a bullet proof op system to build off of. its like being mad that LMT sells there defender rifles with standard handguards for 1200 dollars and having to bitch to buy somthing more solid that free floats, for 300 dollars. seems for 1000 bucks you get what you pay for, and you can allways go out and fix the areas that are deficiant

I don’t know, this irrational hate just strikes me as odd.

I see your point as long as we're talking $1000 or less. But alot of us bought these rifles, canted rails and all, for 1500 to 2000 dollars expecting SIG quality. Then dropped additional money for sights and decent furniture. The 556 is a good accurate rifle but the 556-A1 is what we should have gotten for our money.

Gopher pretty much nailed it.

While I love my 556 Patrols they only cost me about a grand each. A couple of my shooting buddies paid around two grand per copy for early 556s, and given the number of issues they've had they have every right to be mad as hell in my humble opinion. Both of my Patrols and my daughter's 522 have been fantastic performers, and I have been a strong supporter of Sig rifles because of it. As happy as I've been with mine however, there was still room for improvement-even at the lower price point I paid for them. An OEM sliding stock for example shouldn't begin to fall apart after 100 rounds, necessitating an upgrade. My daughter's rifle shouldn't have had a canted front sight block, necessitating an adjustment. Overall our problems have been minor and everything has been corrected-but I'd be pretty mad too if I had had those problems after paying two grand for a 556.

Here's my built up 556 Patrol, along with my daughter's 522, sporting her new Manticore Arms Scorpion grip

Irrational? Sig earned a bad reputation from their poor customer service and not standing behind their products. Poor quality control is hard to overcome. It is like sucking one dick. Cock sucker for life.

I dumped all of my Sigs because of their history (at the time) of leaving their customers hanging high with scrap metal.

I paid 1500$ for mine, and it would not function...at all. sent it back, SIG did make it right, but I doubt I'll ever buy SIG again.

Is that the 556R video with all the malfunctions? My phone won't let me play it for some reason

If it's the same video, that rifle was certainly a mess and should have never left the factory. That said, I have some recent trigger time with a 556R, and the one I got to shoot was flawless I'm considering a 556R for the sake of cheap trigger time.

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Since we are showing malfunctions, lets go ahead and show some others....
Colt AR Malfunction

Glock Malfunction

MSAR STG556 Malfunction

XCR Malfunctions

MINI14 Malfunction

AK47 Malfunction

PTR91 Malfunction

ACR Malfunction

I can go on and on...So what does this mean, I should not buy any of the rifles or pistol listed above?

Yes it is.

OP asked for why "irrational hatred" for Sig. I showed it. I and many others have enough experience with AKs, ARs, Glocks, Mini-14s ect. that we know malfunctions are "not the norm".

However to see a "new" and "Very expensive" rifle that few have experience with fail to perform to expectation is a great reason to be disappointed and annoyed.

I have loved SIG products for decades, and I was so looking forward to the 556 when it came out...but it soon became obvious that SIG USA dropped the ball and missed a HUGE oppurtunity to cash in and make a modern classic. Must be bad management here in the US cos Swissarms products are second to none. This seems to have been fixed. The new Sig rifles are fine, and as they move closer to the origonal 550 series, they get better and better. I have had the chance to shoot a new SIG 516 (AR-Type) and I'll tell you it rocks! But if you put out a bad product the internet reviews by customers will bless or curse it for life! Deservedly so...how the manufacturer addresses these concerns can make or break them with customer service.

I confess I am one of those guys who has an irrational distaste for the AR-15 platform. I was in the Marine Corps, not a grunt, but an aviator, when the M-16 came in. A lot of guys died because of that piece of crap. I know. I know. It isn't the same gun now, but it is still crap.

I love my Sig556, but if I had it to do over, I would have bought a Larue AR instead.

I guess that I need to go buy another lottery ticket. I read all of the Sig drama on the internet forums but went ahead and bought my 556. From the day I brought it home and started putting bullets through it my 556 has run like a Ferrari. It goes bang when I ask it to, puts the holes where I want them to and is rock solid reliable. Over the years of being on internet gun forums I have learned that specific brand related firearms problems are multiplied 10 fold for every discovered defect with a healthy amount of knitting circle drama thrown in for good measure. If I followed every internet thread telling me not to buy a specific rifle/handgun because of problem XXXX instead of actually trying out the product first, I might actually own one gun. Unfortunately this pro-gun site is one of the worst for spreading internet rumors and anti brand specific regurgitation.

Are you even paying attention to what your saying....Name me one "NEW" rifle on the market that did not have problems when it first came out (maybe the SCAR?). As another said "People died when the M16(AR15) was introduced to combat do to high failure rates". Does that stop anyone from buying one now? The AR platform has "built-in failure and self destruct" do to its gas system. Didn't stop me from buying a couple of them. I paid less for my SIG556 Patrol than I did for my ARs and my AK and so far it has proved to be just as or more reliable than all of them.

3 SIG556's now, and not a single problem with any of them.

There are and always will be jerks on these forums that has a bad experiance and will beat a dead horse back to life and then kill it again. I really don't understand the assholes who said the hate their Sig 556, slod , won't ever buy another one and still piss and moan years later aboiut a gun they dont have and won't have. The are like my ex wife. Nit happy unless they are pissing all over everybody with the expert advice. Fugg Em

Except for the stock that my rifle came with I've never had a problem with my early 556, anybody seen a youtube video where a 223/5.56 sig is malfunctioning? I see the 556R has a few videos, but none for the 5.56 version. and, again, just for the record, my Sig556 runs great and has its best accuracy with heavy (68 grain) bullets.

The only complaint I have about the RIFLE (Sig as a company is another story) is that its overgassed and dents the HELL out of brass. My 556 probably kicks brass about 8-12 feet to my 2-o-clock.

My 556 dents the shit out of my brass too, but I still really dig the rifle. I have been a Sig fan for years and have had a few negative experences, but the good far outweighs the bad.

Mine throws the brass the very same way, always at 2 o'clock and all in a pile at the same place. The dents in my cases are in the case neck.

I have just decided to run only steel case through my 556 so that I'm not hugely denting brass I'd like to reload later.

Yep. From what I was told the new CEO Ron Cohen instituted some sort of cost saving measures which resulted in the current issues.

Doesn't seem like much cost saving when you figure you have to pay a technician to fix something that should have been built right in the first place, plus pay for shipping to and from the customer, plus all the bad hype it causes......

Both of my 556s kick brass a long way as well-easily 20 feet at 2 o'clock. They eject and treat brass a lot like a rotary bolt HK. In other words, they beat the snot out of it. As a reloader that was unacceptable to me, so I mitigated the damage greatly by installing a small piece of Velcro just aft of the ejection port, where the empties hit the receiver. It has made a big difference in the quality of the recovered brass. Positive extraction is a good trait to have in a rifle, but my cost to shoot the 556 would rise dramatically if every spent case was unusable. I don't shoot a lot of steel cased ammo except to verify proper function during initial break in. My 556s have seen less than 500 rounds of steel cased Hornady between them. If I find an exceptional deal on TAP training ammo in bulk that figure is subject to change.

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Since I paid $1800 for a rifle that currently sells for $1k, I figure that gives me $800 of hate to work off... Not to mention all the issues. F Sig... I will never buy one of their guns new in the future.

I have never lost so much money on a gun, either dollars or percentage wise.

Yeah I think the "velcro mod" is in my future, thanks for that.

I have a solid Sig556 and a defective Glock 19. Go figure.

LOL now that is funny right there.

Do buy a new car then, cause the value drops like 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot.

I really like mine, the only issue I have is it is heavy.

I've done the Velcro thing for years now. It really works. AS most have seen theer are a few jack asses that want to bitch and complain about a 556 they had a problem with a few years ago but the majority of us like ours and they work very well. I laugh each time one of them says I sold my 556 a few years ago because it had problems. Then why are you still hanging around this forum bitching about a gun you don't even own now. Because they are like my ex wife. Just want to bitch about everything no matter what. Its makes them feel good some how. I say if you like another gun better than the 556 then go hang out in that forum and stay out of this one.

Ron,

My SWAT Classic is a little heavy too. But, I bought a new Rock River Operator 308 yesterday with the 20" barrel and rails. 10.2 Lbs. Now thats heavy.

Whoa, a defective G19?

Gen 3 or 4? Is it a replaceable part that is bad? If you need parts I have quite a few on-hand, and I'd be happy to donate what was needed to help a brother out

ETA: I bet most of the hatered for the 556 is nothing more than a few guys fingered one in a gun store, felt it was too heavy, bashed it on the internet without taking a shot and it snowballed into what it is today. The QC slip of 09 didn't help it any either.

I can say I have some hatered towards SIG. My Classic SWAT had a visibly canted top rail that I could not get the factory iron sights zeroed nor rail mounted AR15 sights. I sent it in to get a new rail installed and with that corrected I still couldn't get the factory iron sights zeroed because of the canted gas block.I sent it back in again to get the gas block straightened without the front sight, they did not do anything to repair the gas block, and sent back a zero target with the POI slightly off center telling me that they just slapped on a front sight, shot it and sent it back. I took the gas block off and there was no signs of work done on the roll pin grooves as well as the flats on the barrel.

So in closing, I won't be buying anymore SIG products in the future because of it. Which sucks because I sold my Glock 32 and have no SIG products and my username on forums would imply that I like SIG.

Well to be fair with the amount of QC problems they've had they diserve the black eye they have now.

When people pay $1800 for a rifle they expect a rifle in that league (sloppy fit, crappy handguards). I humbly suggest that the 556 is not a $1800 rifle.
I got mine for $875 (classic) NIB and I feel I got exactly what I wanted for the price. My buddy bought one for $1600 and on the first outing g the rear peep fell out and was lost. Took them a month to get him a new one and they gave him static about it.

Its a nice gun, if you paid realistic prices and have realistic expectations. SIG customer service seems to be spotty and the quality has been as well.

You would be right a year or so ago but of late this past year the quality has been great and so has the customer service. I personally own 16 SIg rifles and pistols that have been purchased in teh past three years and none have any problems or quality issues including 4 Sig 556's

Making the present good doesn't erase the past. They're going to have to work 3x as hard to regain the trust they lost. You have to agree, they really did put out some totally unacceptable guns. Look at the 556R, utterly unacceptable.

Look at it this way: Chrysler makes a fine transmission now, but how many people won't touch one with a ten foot pole because TWENTY years ago they made crappy ones.

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