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how often are residential gun safes defeated?
2/19/2012 12:27:19 PM
how often are residential ($1000-$2000ish) gun safes defeated in home burglaries? If the safe is properly bolted down do they usually keep things safe or do the robbers usually get in them? i know it is a wide open question but does anyone have any type of statistics/data or real world info? I am sure they stop the casual smash and grab guys. on the other end of the spectrum I am sure that with room to work and power tools most any safe will fail to experienced safe crackers. But what about all the other thieves in the middle. Do residential safes really work or is it a false sense of security?
2/19/2012 12:28:58 PM
around here they are great im looking at getting one. all the ones here are smash and grabs and wont even look twice at a safe
2/19/2012 12:33:23 PM
I've been to a lot of burglaries never one where they had a safe at a residence some that had a safe in a business never seen one defeated but how long burglars stay in the property makes a difference in most cases they are in ransack the house and out as quick as possible. Put that in a remote cabin and they will likely be there a while. I have heard of some taking a safe to attempt to defeat it later. Never had a house broken into that had a big dog inside the house.
2/21/2012 1:07:52 AM
Around here there have been a few cases of chains being rapped around safes and big holes ending up in the walls. Not sure the size of truck that is being used, they have not been caught doing it yet. But then again we have entire 40 foot shipping containers being stole out of peoples yards.
2/22/2012 7:20:48 AM
Like this?
Give them time and no bolt down=all your cool stuff gone.
All done with tools found in garage.
Give them time and no bolt down=all your cool stuff gone.
All done with tools found in garage.
2/22/2012 9:43:13 AM
I'll be the first one to tell people that the odds of any safe of any type being forced open during a residential burglary are very slim.
The odds are also slim that I would need to use a firearm to defend myself, but I still have my CCW. The odds of me being in a major car accident are slim, but I still wear my seatbelt. Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Just because the odds are low, does not mean that you shouldn't be using the right tool for the job. If you have an inexpensive colletion, then an inexensive safe will certainly be fine. If your collection is worth tens of thousands of dollars, then I would make sure you're looking at a safe capable of offering that type of protection.
The odds are also slim that I would need to use a firearm to defend myself, but I still have my CCW. The odds of me being in a major car accident are slim, but I still wear my seatbelt. Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Just because the odds are low, does not mean that you shouldn't be using the right tool for the job. If you have an inexpensive colletion, then an inexensive safe will certainly be fine. If your collection is worth tens of thousands of dollars, then I would make sure you're looking at a safe capable of offering that type of protection.
2/22/2012 9:52:52 AM
Originally Posted By a1abdj:
Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
If you have CO2 problems, buy some house plants.
2/22/2012 10:03:04 AM
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
If you have CO2 problems, buy some house plants.
Originally Posted By a1abdj:
Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
If you have CO2 problems, buy some house plants.
LMAO
2/22/2012 10:13:24 AM
I do know a Denver Police Captain who had a couple of his safes stolen out of his home by a fake moving company. Neighbors watched the whole thing and thought it was legit.
And I did see pictures of what one of those huge power hand saws will do to a safe, saw the top right off.
But for the usual smash and grab guy, you should be safe, (get it?).
And I did see pictures of what one of those huge power hand saws will do to a safe, saw the top right off.
But for the usual smash and grab guy, you should be safe, (get it?).
2/22/2012 10:47:40 AM
If you have CO2 problems, buy some house plants.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.......You still got the point I was trying to make.
2/22/2012 6:45:05 PM
In the last 4 weeks, we have seen two safes broken into, and 3 stolen from homes during the day while the customers were gone. One of the safes broken into was a residential security container. The other one was one of those huge craigslist specials similar to the picture below.
We get several calls weekly about people looking for safes because they had a break in.
We get several calls weekly about people looking for safes because they had a break in.
2/22/2012 9:30:00 PM
Originally Posted By a1abdj:
I'll be the first one to tell people that the odds of any safe of any type being forced open during a residential burglary are very slim.
The odds are also slim that I would need to use a firearm to defend myself, but I still have my CCW. The odds of me being in a major car accident are slim, but I still wear my seatbelt. Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Just because the odds are low, does not mean that you shouldn't be using the right tool for the job. If you have an inexpensive colletion, then an inexensive safe will certainly be fine. If your collection is worth tens of thousands of dollars, then I would make sure you're looking at a safe capable of offering that type of protection.
I'll be the first one to tell people that the odds of any safe of any type being forced open during a residential burglary are very slim.
The odds are also slim that I would need to use a firearm to defend myself, but I still have my CCW. The odds of me being in a major car accident are slim, but I still wear my seatbelt. Not many homes have CO2 problems, but I still have a detector in the house.
Just because the odds are low, does not mean that you shouldn't be using the right tool for the job. If you have an inexpensive colletion, then an inexensive safe will certainly be fine. If your collection is worth tens of thousands of dollars, then I would make sure you're looking at a safe capable of offering that type of protection.
So any basic rule of thumb of what a safe should cost compared to the value of what it is protecting? For example if i had a $10,000 collection what price would be a reasonable safe for it? Would that be considered a "inexpensive" collection suitable for a RSC? What about a 20 or $30000 collection? Any ideas?
2/22/2012 10:56:34 PM
i wouldnt try to apply any rules of thumb to a safe purchase.
usually the safe is dictated by where you want to put it and your budget. if you rent your home or apartment, you cant mount the safe to the floor in most instances. you also might have to put it inside the house, rather than in a garage. id consider a safe in a house to be somewhat more secure than a safe in a garage, but i guess thats arguable.
you can still put a 30k collection in a 1500 dollar safe if thats the only practical option for you. anything is better than stamped steel cabinets or stashing guns in a closet.
in all honestly, if you live in an apartment, the only safe youre going to be able to practically use is a 12 ga. unit. if you own your home and can anchor the safe, spend as much money on the safe as your wife will let you, even if it requires a professional mover.
for most people, i think a 12 ga. safe is a practical, reasonable and responsible approach to protecting your guns. nothings perfect, and you do have to accept the fact that as you go up in safe quality, you reach a point of diminishing return on your investment.
usually the safe is dictated by where you want to put it and your budget. if you rent your home or apartment, you cant mount the safe to the floor in most instances. you also might have to put it inside the house, rather than in a garage. id consider a safe in a house to be somewhat more secure than a safe in a garage, but i guess thats arguable.
you can still put a 30k collection in a 1500 dollar safe if thats the only practical option for you. anything is better than stamped steel cabinets or stashing guns in a closet.
in all honestly, if you live in an apartment, the only safe youre going to be able to practically use is a 12 ga. unit. if you own your home and can anchor the safe, spend as much money on the safe as your wife will let you, even if it requires a professional mover.
for most people, i think a 12 ga. safe is a practical, reasonable and responsible approach to protecting your guns. nothings perfect, and you do have to accept the fact that as you go up in safe quality, you reach a point of diminishing return on your investment.
2/22/2012 11:41:15 PM
If you have more than $5k worth of firearms make sure you shop around for extra property insurance. A large firearm collection is going to take up far too much room to justify buying enough TLTR30x6 volume to store them in.
