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Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24 FFP Reticle Choice
4/22/2012 1:40:24 PM
I'm considering picking up one of the new Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24 FFP mil/mil scopes and am trying to decide between two of the available reticles - the new illuminated BTR-MIL reticle vs. the illuminated MIL-DOT reticle.
I am leaning towards the BTR-MIL because it's cheaper and I like the reticle design better. I love the look of the circle and floating dot in the center of the reticle on the BTR-MIL. Seems like it would allow for a more open sight picture at longer distances/higher magnification whereas the MIL-DOT cross hairs will cover up more of the target. The BTR-MIL is about $100 cheaper than the MIL-DOT version which I assume is because only the circle and dot are illuminated vs. the MIL-DOT which has a fully illuminated reticle. Also, not sure if it's just the stock picture I've seen but the illuminated MIL-DOT reticle looks a bit on the thick side.
Any thoughts between the two reticles? I think at the end of the day I'll be happy with either but I am looking for potential pros/cons to either choice that I might not have considered.
BTR-MIL Reticle:
MIL-DOT Reticle (crappy resolution):
I am leaning towards the BTR-MIL because it's cheaper and I like the reticle design better. I love the look of the circle and floating dot in the center of the reticle on the BTR-MIL. Seems like it would allow for a more open sight picture at longer distances/higher magnification whereas the MIL-DOT cross hairs will cover up more of the target. The BTR-MIL is about $100 cheaper than the MIL-DOT version which I assume is because only the circle and dot are illuminated vs. the MIL-DOT which has a fully illuminated reticle. Also, not sure if it's just the stock picture I've seen but the illuminated MIL-DOT reticle looks a bit on the thick side.
Any thoughts between the two reticles? I think at the end of the day I'll be happy with either but I am looking for potential pros/cons to either choice that I might not have considered.
BTR-MIL Reticle:
MIL-DOT Reticle (crappy resolution):
4/22/2012 4:06:06 PM
I have a 3-12 bushy with the standard mil dot. I wish it had some .5 mil marks for wind holds.
Why not the G2DMR reticle?
Why not the G2DMR reticle?
4/23/2012 1:05:03 AM
I have not actually looked through a BTR, but if I was ordering that scope right now, that is the reticle I would get.
4/23/2012 4:03:53 AM
I currently have the same scope with the mildot reticle ( I also have the 4200 Elite 3-12x44). I love them, but some would say that the reticle is a little thick on the highest power settings. I'll likely be getting another 6-24 for an upcoming rifle project and I'm aiming for the G2 reticle, when they come out, as RFutch suggested.
4/23/2012 8:27:07 AM
Originally Posted By AKJP:
I love them, but some would say that the reticle is a little thick on the highest power settings.
I love them, but some would say that the reticle is a little thick on the highest power settings.
The scope is FFP. The reticle is the same thickness and subtends the same amount on the target at 3x as it does at 12x
A standard mildot reticle is the last reticle I would get. Too many better choices now. The BTR-Mil would be my choice of the two. Any reticle which breaks the mil down into smaller portions makes the use of the reticle easier. The G2 would be my first choice over the other two though.
4/23/2012 9:55:47 AM
The scope is FFP. The reticle is the same thickness and subtends the same amount on the target at 3x as it does at 12x
Typo? That statement would be accurate for SFP, not FFP. I assume you were referring to the 4200 mentioned in the previous post?
RFutch, the G2DMR does look like a fine reticle choice...it's just a bit too busy for my liking. I would like more of a simple/clean reticle and plan to make shot adjustments by dialing in dope on the turrets.
It's been hard to find any reviews on the BTR-MIL because they are so new but I'm definitely leaning that direction.
4/23/2012 10:37:13 AM
Typo? That statement would be accurate for SFP, not FFP. I assume you were referring to the 4200 mentioned in the previous post?
I see what Rob is driving at, but it depends on the target you're trying to aim at. That's one of the big complaints about FFP scopes, is that the reticles often become too large for aiming at small targets in high magnification. If I'm trying to aim at a man sized target, it's no problem. If it were the button on his shirt that I was after, then we have a problem.
The 4200 I was referring to is the FFP model, by the way.
4/23/2012 10:58:51 AM
No it's not a typo. The FFP reticle stays the same size in relation to the target and subtends the same amount of the target no matter what power it is on. It appears to grow or shrink in size but it is "growing" or "shrinking" in relation to the target. That's why you can use the reticle on any power. At 3x it covers the same amount of the target as it does at 12x. It just appears to be more as the target is larger due to more magnification.
I run a 5-25x S&Bs with H2CMR and P4F reticles and have no problem aiming at 1/2 MOA or smaller targets. on any power. I use 3/8" dots at 100 yards during dot drills and don;t have any problem aiming at them at 20x. It has more to do with reticle design than FFP/SFP if you can aim at smaller targets.
The SFP reticle actually changes it's size in relation to the target although it appears to stay the same size in the scope. That's why you can only use the reticle on a certain power and have it subtend correctly.
I run a 5-25x S&Bs with H2CMR and P4F reticles and have no problem aiming at 1/2 MOA or smaller targets. on any power. I use 3/8" dots at 100 yards during dot drills and don;t have any problem aiming at them at 20x. It has more to do with reticle design than FFP/SFP if you can aim at smaller targets.
The SFP reticle actually changes it's size in relation to the target although it appears to stay the same size in the scope. That's why you can only use the reticle on a certain power and have it subtend correctly.
4/23/2012 11:03:53 AM
Rob is correct.
The reticle COVERS the same amount of target no matter what the power setting. Both the reticle and target appear to change sizes at the same ratio when the magnification is adjusted. This is why FFP reticles tent to be thicker at maximum magnification than an equivalent SFP reticle.
The reticle COVERS the same amount of target no matter what the power setting. Both the reticle and target appear to change sizes at the same ratio when the magnification is adjusted. This is why FFP reticles tent to be thicker at maximum magnification than an equivalent SFP reticle.
4/23/2012 11:22:34 AM
Originally Posted By Rob01:
No it's not a typo. The FFP reticle stays the same size in relation to the target and subtends the same amount of the target no matter what power it is on. It appears to grow or shrink in size but it is "growing" or "shrinking" in relation to the target. That's why you can use the reticle on any power. At 3x it covers the same amount of the target as it does at 12x. It just appears to be more as the target is larger due to more magnification.
I run a 5-25x S&Bs with H2CMR and P4F reticles and have no problem aiming at 1/2 MOA or smaller targets. on any power. I use 3/8" dots at 100 yards during dot drills and don;t have any problem aiming at them at 20x. It has more to do with reticle design than FFP/SFP if you can aim at smaller targets.
The SFP reticle actually changes it's size in relation to the target although it appears to stay the same size in the scope. That's why you can only use the reticle on a certain power and have it subtend correctly.
No it's not a typo. The FFP reticle stays the same size in relation to the target and subtends the same amount of the target no matter what power it is on. It appears to grow or shrink in size but it is "growing" or "shrinking" in relation to the target. That's why you can use the reticle on any power. At 3x it covers the same amount of the target as it does at 12x. It just appears to be more as the target is larger due to more magnification.
I run a 5-25x S&Bs with H2CMR and P4F reticles and have no problem aiming at 1/2 MOA or smaller targets. on any power. I use 3/8" dots at 100 yards during dot drills and don;t have any problem aiming at them at 20x. It has more to do with reticle design than FFP/SFP if you can aim at smaller targets.
The SFP reticle actually changes it's size in relation to the target although it appears to stay the same size in the scope. That's why you can only use the reticle on a certain power and have it subtend correctly.
Yeah actually that makes perfect sense and I think I misunderstood your original statement. Thanks for the clarification!
