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So what are the ATF examiners looking for/at?
4/4/2012 11:54:42 AM
I know that about 99.9% of the 6 month wait time for a NFA item is just being in line. But when after 5 months and 28 days it's your turn at the table, what are the examiners looking at, or for?
They of course look over your paperwork to make sure that's filled out correctly.
They probably do the same background check on you as when you buy a gun (or do they)?
What else, if anything? Do they do a deeper check on your background? Run it through additional databases? Has anyone been denied a NFA item for background reasons, when they have been able to buy firearms and pass that check?
As I undestand it, its 6 months to have them look over a couple of forms, do the same background check that takes 10 minutes at a gun shop, and send it on it's way. All due to only having about 4 examiners or some such for the whole country. I guess the only thing to be thankful for is that the 200 dollar tax stamp is frozen in place as well. I think that was about 3700 dollars equivalent in today's money.
They of course look over your paperwork to make sure that's filled out correctly.
They probably do the same background check on you as when you buy a gun (or do they)?
What else, if anything? Do they do a deeper check on your background? Run it through additional databases? Has anyone been denied a NFA item for background reasons, when they have been able to buy firearms and pass that check?
As I undestand it, its 6 months to have them look over a couple of forms, do the same background check that takes 10 minutes at a gun shop, and send it on it's way. All due to only having about 4 examiners or some such for the whole country. I guess the only thing to be thankful for is that the 200 dollar tax stamp is frozen in place as well. I think that was about 3700 dollars equivalent in today's money.
4/4/2012 12:35:33 PM
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
4/4/2012 3:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By No2sc2:
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
yet the whole point of the 200 tax in 1934 was to make it so the average joe could NOT afford it. so it would stand to reason someday the dems will try this again.
4/4/2012 5:52:26 PM
Originally Posted By leonpiper69:
yet the whole point of the 200 tax in 1934 was to make it so the average joe could NOT afford it. so it would stand to reason someday the dems will try this again.
Originally Posted By No2sc2:
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
yet the whole point of the 200 tax in 1934 was to make it so the average joe could NOT afford it. so it would stand to reason someday the dems will try this again.
Yeah exactly so if they did that, alot of the above average rich people who are gun addicts would be so happy!
4/4/2012 11:46:51 PM
Originally Posted By No2sc2:
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
I have a feeling that all the criminal history checks and real trust reviewing comes before it hits the examiner's desk. I'm sure the examiner looks over the results of the checks and may read over the trust but I'm guessing all the hard work is done before it gets to them.
4/5/2012 10:41:48 AM
Originally Posted By BossMaverick:
I have a feeling that all the criminal history checks and real trust reviewing comes before it hits the examiner's desk. I'm sure the examiner looks over the results of the checks and may read over the trust but I'm guessing all the hard work is done before it gets to them.
Originally Posted By No2sc2:
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
Individual, yes they do background check and all, verify each item person and business to make sure all is legit..
Trust/corps, there's not enough information submitted to do a background check, but checks to see trust/corps are legal and business and such is existing.
If they raise the transfer fee to $2,000. It would prevent nfa purchase to the average income citizen also would decrease wait time and less nfa items on the streets... But we all know they wouldn't do that cause their transfer income would greatly decrease cause no one can afford $2000 transfer.
I have a feeling that all the criminal history checks and real trust reviewing comes before it hits the examiner's desk. I'm sure the examiner looks over the results of the checks and may read over the trust but I'm guessing all the hard work is done before it gets to them.
It's just their new plan to keep the long wait so we will eventually just give up on buying them....
4/8/2012 12:01:50 PM
I dunno- I'd think adjusting the price of the stamp would do much more to dampen enthusiasm about buying, than the wait does.
I can say that I planned to get into NFA at least a year before I did, but put it off due to the wait and hassle...but once I took the plunge, after the first couple stamps I kindasorta got used to the wait without as much anxiety. I suspect this is a common reaction.
Now, if the wait climbs much farther (say, to nine months), I'd have to really want something if I had to wait out a double -F4 to get it.
Adjusting the stamp price would likely give sale prices a nasty beatdown, though...but it wouldn't get any MG's out of circulation.
I can say that I planned to get into NFA at least a year before I did, but put it off due to the wait and hassle...but once I took the plunge, after the first couple stamps I kindasorta got used to the wait without as much anxiety. I suspect this is a common reaction.
Now, if the wait climbs much farther (say, to nine months), I'd have to really want something if I had to wait out a double -F4 to get it.
Adjusting the stamp price would likely give sale prices a nasty beatdown, though...but it wouldn't get any MG's out of circulation.
4/18/2012 1:15:13 AM
General Timeline for Form 1 & 4: 1.5 weeks for check to be cleared and cashed in Atlanta -> 2-3 weeks for forms to be inputted into NFRTR -> 5-6 months waiting to be reviewed by examiner -> next phase depends on the completeness and correctness of the forms and supporting information and how fast you can make the appropriate corrections. All other forms will take either one day to sixty days to process depending on workload. Expect times to get better in the future. The six month time frame is not a rule and the ATF does not have to abide by it.
I've been told they use the NICS system along with a fingerprint check in the FBI database, however I'm not sure of the process. These checks are to provide verification of your identity as well as to make sure you have no federal disqualifiers for possession of an NFA firearm.
The number of examiners is closer to ten but that doesn't take into account for leave, vacation, and etc. The number of forms (all types) being submitted has grown tremendously (30% on a year to year) over the last couple years, while the number of NFA examiners has shrunk.
Adjusted for inflation the tax stamp is approximately $3500 if Congress ever decided to update it.
BTW - If you don't like it, write your congressman and make a difference in your local community.
I've been told they use the NICS system along with a fingerprint check in the FBI database, however I'm not sure of the process. These checks are to provide verification of your identity as well as to make sure you have no federal disqualifiers for possession of an NFA firearm.
- An individual needs two fingerprint cards, one certification of compliance, two complete and accurate double sided Forms, $200 payment, a photograph attached to each form, a signature by your CLEO or designee and any other relevant supporting documents.
- A corporation needs its letters of incorporation along with an up to date validation from its home state, $200 payment, and the appropriate form (double-sided depending on type of firearm).
- A trust is a bit more complicated and it depends on the state where the trust is established. In general a trust needs: a name (make sure it matches the transforee's name exactly in the box), a grantor/trustor/settlor, a trustee, a beneficiary (must include an individual that is different from the grantor/trustee), applicable governing laws, signature(s) of grantor/trustee(s), and any applicable attachments or schedules mentioned in the trust. Finally all this needs to be in an orderly and coherent manner for it to be approved.
The number of examiners is closer to ten but that doesn't take into account for leave, vacation, and etc. The number of forms (all types) being submitted has grown tremendously (30% on a year to year) over the last couple years, while the number of NFA examiners has shrunk.
Adjusted for inflation the tax stamp is approximately $3500 if Congress ever decided to update it.
BTW - If you don't like it, write your congressman and make a difference in your local community.
4/18/2012 6:52:02 AM
If anything I would say raise the tax for MG's, and remove it for everything else. Although in a perfect world they would just get rid of the damn law or at the very least up the staffing to handle the demand.
