Ok I have read both ways on here and have been told from my FFL Class 3 dealer that I do not need to engrave my name on my lower because it has already been registered once when I bought it 4 years ago from DPMS and all I'm doing now is simply reregistering it for the SBR upper, I have yet to receive my stamp back and still have time to figure this out before I actually buy the short barrel upper. So my question is do I need to have my name engraved on it oris the original manuf. ok and why?!
Thanks
You need you name and town engraved on it.
You have to engrave. A form 1 is an application to manufacture a short-barreled rifle. The original rifle is not a part of the ATF registry. You are taking an existing rifle and manufacturing it into an SBR. You are now the manufacturer of the new configuration even though you did not physically make the parts.
^Yes. I have my full trust name on the top line and my city and state below it.
Not trying to doubt here, but can someone tell me where I can find this info on the engraving so I can read it my self. Is it on the ATF site some where saying you need to do it, because to my knowledge there is no where on the form 1 that says this needs to be done so how are you to know to do it?!
NFA Handbook
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model,
and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The
marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer. Refer to
section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements.
Ok I will read that. Thanks
Originally Posted By GunFun36:
Ok that makes good spence but where can I find that info requiring this?
Thanks a ton guys!
see the above post
Originally Posted By hellbound:
NFA Handbook
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model,
and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The
marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer. Refer to
section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements.
If you buy an existing, already registered NFA item, you use a Form 4 to transfer it from the previous registered owner to you, and you do not need to engrave it.
However, if you take an existing Title 1 firearm and want to turn it into a legal SBR, you use a Form 1, which (as it states on the top of the form itself) is an application to "Make and Register a(n NFA) Firearm." That means the applicant is the maker of the NFA item, and as such must follow all the regulations required of the makers.
Got it, now where should I send it off to be done, and what does something like that cost and generally how long does it take!
Thanks a ton!
Originally Posted By GunFun36:
Got it, now where should I send it off to be done, and what does something like that cost and generally how long does it take!
Thanks a ton!
I used Ident in Texas. Awesome work, great communication, about a 2.5 week turnaround (door-to-door), and I think I paid about $55 for shipping both ways and the service.
NFA Handbook is NOT the law, But the CFR effectively is:
Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
PART 479—MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS
Subpart G—Registration and Identification of Firearms
<h5>§ 479.102 How must firearms be identified?</h5>
(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
(impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual
serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not
susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must
not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For
firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number
must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller
than 1/16 inch; and
(2) By engraving, casting, stamping
(impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be
engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver,
or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must
be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated,
altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and
after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing)
of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The
additional information includes:
(i) The model, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge;
(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
(or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer
maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the
firearm; and
(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name
of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or
recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your
place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported
firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.
(b) The
depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the
flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of
serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be
measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character
impression bottoms (bases).
(c) The Director may authorize
other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from
you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is
reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this
part.
(d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director
may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a
letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that
engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be
dangerous or impracticable.
(e) A firearm frame or receiver
that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is
sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as
required by this section.
(f)(1) Any part defined as a machine
gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a
component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or
otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this
section.
(2) The Director may authorize other means of
identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or
receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a
letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such
other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective
administration of this part.
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1140–0050)
[T.D. ATF–461, 66 FR 40601, Aug. 3, 2001, as amended by ATF–11F, 73 FR 57242, Oct. 2, 2008]
Would a small plaque riveted to the receiver be considered part of the receiver? How about welded?
I'm just spitballing here and looking for opinions.
Az
Please explain this info below copied from the ATF NFA handbook.
"6.2.1 Description of firearm. If an existing firearm or firearm receiver is being used, the name and
location of the original manufacturer of the weapon should be entered in Block 4(a). If the applicant is
making a completely new firearm, the applicant’s name and location should be entered in Block 4(a)."
The context "completely new" tells me a firearm that has NEVER been properly marked or that has the proper markings. I'm not trying to start anything here since I'm new but trying to find the logic.
Originally Posted By HeavyAssault:
Please explain this info below copied from the ATF NFA handbook.
"6.2.1 Description of firearm. If an existing firearm or firearm receiver is being used, the name and
location of the original manufacturer of the weapon should be entered in Block 4(a). If the applicant is
making a completely new firearm, the applicant’s name and location should be entered in Block 4(a)."
The context "completely new" tells me a firearm that has NEVER been properly marked or that has the proper markings. I'm not trying to start anything here since I'm new but trying to find the logic.
Your problem is that you are trying to find logic in a government system. Stop now before you hurt yourself.
Originally Posted By HeavyAssault:
Please explain this info below copied from the ATF NFA handbook.
"6.2.1 Description of firearm. If an existing firearm or firearm receiver is being used, the name and
location of the original manufacturer of the weapon should be entered in Block 4(a). If the applicant is
making a completely new firearm, the applicant’s name and location should be entered in Block 4(a)."
The context "completely new" tells me a firearm that has NEVER been properly marked or that has the proper markings. I'm not trying to start anything here since I'm new but trying to find the logic.
An example of a completely new firearm would be a suppressor made from scratch, or an SBR made from an 80% receiver. In both cases, the raw materials have no manufacturer's markings.
