Interesting approach to using the EE

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It is established EE policy that the seller has the obligation to get the item to the buyer so any sellers who ship with out insurance do so at their own peril. And even with insurance if the item goes missing the seller must refund the buyer in a timely fashion, " I will refund when insurance pays " will not work. the seller must refund the buyer asap.

They can say whatever they want but rules are rules.

They need to raise their price $2 it looks like haha.

My practice is to use insurance on items I can't afford to refund in cash immediately. Usually anything $100 and up. (I understand if the insured item doesn't show I would need to refund immediately but I have access to other funds to do that, just not in the fun fund).

Have never seen this in the EE rules before.Maybe I'm over looking it.Care to copy and paste the info? Anyway the ad will be edited for the insured price.

It's not in the rules. As crowboy stated it's established policy.

I have no problem with the policy, however shouldn't the policy be stated in the rules for those new guys? Might save Mod-Staff a lot of future headaches...

That is a good point. Maybe not a rule but definately in the "how to conduct business" section. I think it is listed somewhere along the lines of at a minimum delivery confirmation should be used but I can't find it. And I say that it should be posted somewhere easy to find because it is policy because of precedent not because of a written standard. At some point, well before I stated using the site, staff/mods decided that it is the sellers responsibility to get the item to the buyer.

That is a good point. Maybe not a rule but definately in the "how to conduct business" section. I think it is listed somewhere along the lines of at a minimum delivery confirmation should be used but I can't find it. And I say that it should be posted somewhere easy to find because it is policy because of precedent not because of a written standard. At some point, well before I stated using the site, staff/mods decided that it is the sellers responsibility to get the item to the buyer.

WHAT IS THE EE RULES? SOMEONE HELP ME OUT.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=301

What if the package was"delivered" but then stolen?? I had a package stolen off my front porch about a month ago. I just took the hit ($135) cause I felt it was not the sellers fault it got stolen. There was no insurance. Should I have pushed for a refund? I was never clear what to do for this type of issue. Thanks

Well, business school they teach that when the item is shipped, claim to title is transferred and therefore liability. Insurance, however, is a great idea for the aversion of the kinds of accidents/theft that can and do occasionally occur.

Business school this ain't..

Is that what they teach at sooner business school? You need to ask for a refund on your tuition because they failed to teach the fundemental principle of FOB.

In afrlandia EE deals are considered FOB destination with regard to sellers responsibility. EVERY SINGLE EE DEAL is done under the principle that you, as the seller, have all responsibility to make sure the item arrives to the buyer in one piece. If it doesn't arrive or if it is damaged YOU are on the hook. If you don't like it, don't use the EE.

Yes free on board destination is transfer at destination. Sorry if I got confused or whatever...

Besides all that, I think the rules could use some expansion

ETA: I agree sellers are on the hook, and should insure if over $100. Without this rule, buyers have zero recourse and no proof the item ever even existed.

You're right, I think the EE "rules" should be updated because the new guys just don't understand... seems to me that the majority of EE drama is from new users to the EE who aren't familiar with established policy.

About insurance though, I'm not sure I entirely agree. The insurance solely protects the seller. If an item is shipped and never arrives it is only the seller who can deal with an insurance claim, not the buyer. The buyer has no recourse whether there is insurance or not.



With or without insurance, if the buyer is going to screw the seller, it will happen no matter what...
With or without insurance, if the seller is going to screw the buyer, it will happen no matter what...

As a buyer you take a huge risk when sending monies in the EE. The only security you have in the EE as a buyer are: 1. the seller being scared of an account lock 2. the buyer being able to verify past performance via feedback and 3. the seller's integrity
Likewise, the seller also take a huge risk in shipping goods in that the buyer may defraud the seller.


Checking feedback is the only assurance to the possibility of a good EE transaction (but even then, you never know...).

Mods and Staff do everything in their power to protect members but In the end its still the Internet and buyers as well as sellers should understand that they deal at their own peril. And remember this , the majority of the authorities, Police, Postal Inspectors ect are not willing or able to chase scammers.

I concur. Maybe if there were a contract to that effect between businesses.

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