EE Transaction question
Should an unconditional "ill take it" or an "ill take it if you will accept $xxx" trump a "will you take $xxx? I only ask as I had an item listed that the 1st response was will you take $xxx shipped to here to which I replied yes, but along comes another member who says if you will take $xxx "ill take it" I took the 1st as a question not an offer being as the EE is littered with tire kickers and window lickers that when you email them back saying you will take their offer you never hear from them again.....
This is kinda 6 of one, half dozen of another. If you responded to the first poster that you would take his offer, contact him and tell him he has xx time to respond or you are offering it up to the next in line.
If you had not responded I would tell you to sell to whomever you coose but since you told him you would sell it for the price offered I would give him a chance to respond and buy the item.
It's a gray area on the first question but it borders on a deal.
If you had told the first guy, "yes" followed by the words,"It's yours" then I believe that a deal would have been struck. As it is, you left yourself waving in the breeze by not corresponding thoroughly enough.
IMHO YMMV, etc...
Originally Posted By xanadu:
It's a gray area on the first question but it borders on a deal.
If you had told the first guy, "yes" followed by the words,"It's yours" then I believe that a deal would have been struck. As it is, you left yourself waving in the breeze by not corresponding thoroughly enough.
IMHO YMMV, etc...
Good point. I only responded with "yes" but as Muny stated I will start putting a time limit on such deals...
I usually post something to the effect of "If you'll take xyz for abc, I'll take it. Please send payment info." If they send payment info then I feel we have a deal.
The ones that bug me a little are the ones where I post "I'll take it" for the asking price and conditions and I get a response like 'I'm waiting to hear back from someone else who had questions'. They should either sh!t or get off the pot.

Originally Posted By munyguru:
This is kinda 6 of one, half dozen of another. If you responded to the first poster that you would take his offer, contact him and tell him he has xx time to respond or you are offering it up to the next in line.
If you had not responded I would tell you to sell to whomever you coose but since you told him you would sell it for the price offered I would give him a chance to respond and buy the item.
I agree with Munyguru. IMO, you made a deal when you said "Yes" to their asking price.
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
The ones that bug me a little are the ones where I post "I'll take it" for the asking price and conditions and I get a response like 'I'm waiting to hear back from someone else who had questions'. They should either sh!t or get off the pot.

Or they're giving the person a little bit of time to respond instead of selling it out from under them. AKA:
common courtesy
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
[quote]Originally Posted By munyguru:
This is kinda 6 of one, half dozen of another. If you responded to the first poster that you would take his offer, contact him and tell him he has xx time to respond or you are offering it up to the next in line.
If you had not responded I would tell you to sell to whomever you coose but since you told him you would sell it for the price offered I would give him a chance to respond and buy the item.
I agree with Munyguru. IMO, you made a deal when you said "Yes" to their asking price.
But would they be considered a welcher when I never hear back from them after telling them "yes ill take xxx for xyz item?
I think so. I remember a thread about that type of topic a while back. I'll look for it when I get back.
Here's a thread on the topic -
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_127/966206_Can_I_we_please_get_some_clarification_on_what_exactly_is_an_offer_to_buy_.html
Since the precedent has been set that "will you take" is just a theoretical question, not an offer, I think answering a theoretical question with "yes" doesn't obligate the seller to anything.
It would now be on the buyer to come back with "Then I'll take it for $xx".
I do agree with others that a better form on the buyer's part would be "If you will accept $xx then I'll take it".
Just my view though.
I agree with you traveler130......reluctantly though. I'm less of a letter of the law guy and more of the intent of the law guy. If someone is playing word games to get out of an EE deal, then maybe they shouldn't be using the EE. At a minimum they get on my list of people to ignore/not do business with.
my thinking......I just offered to buy a holster for $60 ($10 less than the asking price). The seller agreed and we had a deal even though I didn't say "If you'll do $60, I'll take it." Now, I could have either ignored his acceptance or chosen to tell him nevermind, just kidding, etc. And I would have been technically within the rules of the EE b/c I never used the words "I'll take it" (or a close variation of). Technically within the rules but still dirtbaggish. I guess I view it as an integrity check.
IMO Reaper, you said "yes" to his offer. Even though both of you didn't say "I'll take it", the good guy thing would be to at least give him a little bit of time to respond. If both of you decide not to go through with the deal, then at least it was a mutual agreement to disregard what was said.
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
I agree with you traveler130......reluctantly though. I'm less of a letter of the law guy and more of the intent of the law guy. If someone is playing word games to get out of an EE deal, then maybe they shouldn't be using the EE. At a minimum they get on my list of people to ignore/not do business with.
my thinking......I just offered to buy a holster for $60 ($10 less than the asking price). The seller agreed and we had a deal even though I didn't say "If you'll do $60, I'll take it." Now, I could have either ignored his acceptance or chosen to tell him nevermind, just kidding, etc. And I would have been technically within the rules of the EE b/c I never used the words "I'll take it" (or a close variation of). Technically within the rules but still dirtbaggish. I guess I view it as an integrity check
IMO Reaper, you said "yes" to his offer. Even though both of you didn't say "I'll take it", the good guy thing would be to at least give him a little bit of time to respond. If both of you decide not to go through with the deal, then at least it was a mutual agreement to disregard what was said.
This is what went down after all. I never heard from them again and I ended up getting an "ill take it" if you will take XX. I agree with you on how some are careful to word things so as they can lick windows and kick tires but still be within the law of the EE.
Scout -
I agree with you completely. I think the "will you take" is an offer but the ruling was it is just a question and I'm just repeating the ruling. I can see both sides but as long as the rule is applied consistently, which it is, I guess that's most important.
It is a shame that they've had to get down to such a fine point.
If only the EE had a "button" a buyer pressed that indicated a clear "I'll take it" or maybe another one for offers. Then a seller would, I don't know, maybe get an e mail. In that e mail would be a link to either accept or decline. Then the ad would automatically be updated. Sure seems like that would eliminate a lot of the grey areas.
I'm just brain-storming.
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

Originally Posted By traveler130:
Scout -
I agree with you completely. I think the "will you take" is an offer but the ruling was it is just a question and I'm just repeating the ruling. I can see both sides but as long as the rule is applied consistently, which it is, I guess that's most important.
It is a shame that they've had to get down to such a fine point.
If only the EE had a "button" a buyer pressed that indicated a clear "I'll take it" or maybe another one for offers. Then a seller would, I don't know, maybe get an e mail. In that e mail would be a link to either accept or decline. Then the ad would automatically be updated. Sure seems like that would eliminate a lot of the grey areas.
I'm just brain-storming.
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

We had that, it was called the "classifieds", but the majority of the membership cried and bitched about it and now it's gone so here we are.
Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Scout -
I agree with you completely. I think the "will you take" is an offer but the ruling was it is just a question and I'm just repeating the ruling. I can see both sides but as long as the rule is applied consistently, which it is, I guess that's most important.
It is a shame that they've had to get down to such a fine point.
If only the EE had a "button" a buyer pressed that indicated a clear "I'll take it" or maybe another one for offers. Then a seller would, I don't know, maybe get an e mail. In that e mail would be a link to either accept or decline. Then the ad would automatically be updated. Sure seems like that would eliminate a lot of the grey areas.
I'm just brain-storming.
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

We had that, it was called the "classifieds", but the majority of the membership cried and bitched about it and now it's gone so here we are.
Gone as it should have been

Originally Posted By crowboy:
Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Scout -
I agree with you completely. I think the "will you take" is an offer but the ruling was it is just a question and I'm just repeating the ruling. I can see both sides but as long as the rule is applied consistently, which it is, I guess that's most important.
It is a shame that they've had to get down to such a fine point.
If only the EE had a "button" a buyer pressed that indicated a clear "I'll take it" or maybe another one for offers. Then a seller would, I don't know, maybe get an e mail. In that e mail would be a link to either accept or decline. Then the ad would automatically be updated. Sure seems like that would eliminate a lot of the grey areas.
I'm just brain-storming.
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

We had that, it was called the "classifieds", but the majority of the membership cried and bitched about it and now it's gone so here we are.
Gone as it should have been

Yes yes, I know, some of you old timers didn't like it.
I personally liked it though and thought it answered many of the problems that plagued the EE.
Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:
Originally Posted By crowboy:
Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Scout -
I agree with you completely. I think the "will you take" is an offer but the ruling was it is just a question and I'm just repeating the ruling. I can see both sides but as long as the rule is applied consistently, which it is, I guess that's most important.
It is a shame that they've had to get down to such a fine point.
If only the EE had a "button" a buyer pressed that indicated a clear "I'll take it" or maybe another one for offers. Then a seller would, I don't know, maybe get an e mail. In that e mail would be a link to either accept or decline. Then the ad would automatically be updated. Sure seems like that would eliminate a lot of the grey areas.
I'm just brain-storming.
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

We had that, it was called the "classifieds", but the majority of the membership cried and bitched about it and now it's gone so here we are.
Gone as it should have been

Yes yes, I know, some of you
old timers didn't like it.
I personally liked it though and thought it answered many of the problems that plagued the EE.
Fking Newbs


I liked the Classifieds.
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

I guess my sarcasm was too subtle.
Originally Posted By traveler130:
I liked the Classifieds.
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Oh, wait, errr .... Never mind.

I guess my sarcasm was too subtle.
I got it, or at least that's what I thought you meant by that anyway.
I was just expelling some hot air that's all.