Anyone else think bullet buttons are inheritely dangerous?

I just finished building my lower, being in California I had to use a bullet button. This idea just came to me that this could potentially be a safety issue. Especially when checking for rounds in chamber. I for one always dump the mag from guns before handing it over to someone. I don't know if I'm the only one that feels this way about this stupid little item. I mean I could always use the tip of a round or a screwdriver but I'm talking about the what if. Just seems to me that a normal release would be best for this type of weapon.

Comments and thoughts?

They're safer because you can't reload as fast while on a rampage, forcing you to slow down your rate of fire, thus being less lethal.

keep the comments telling people to move out of the tech forums

Bullet buttons suck, but at least we get to have an AR with all of the "evil" features. Have you thought about a featureless build with a MMG, Hammerhead or kydex wrap?

There is nothing at all "inherently dangerous" about a bullet button. There is no reason you can't drop the mag and clear the weapon if you feel it is safer. Your statement, "a normal release would be best for this type of weapon" is just stating the obvious but you should appreciate the fact that without some form of that "stupid little item" we would either all be running grip wraps or popping the upper to top load. I actually appreciate that someone was ingenious enough to think about the CA laws and design such a clean and unobtrusive device that allows us to take part in the AR game.

Why would you post this in the general AR discussions forum when it really only pertains to CA anyway? I suggest moving this to the CA forum before the "CA sucks, move" pissing wars start

A BB on an AR15 is as dangerous as a M1 Garand. Both are fixed magazine rifles.

Let me clear the air on the fact that I am happy that we can have ars in cali based apon this little device.
This is not in ca forum as this is a general post about the idea of the button and does not pertain to California only.

Also anyone notice that ever bullet bottom comes with a warning saying its not doj aproved? Just thought that was funny.

This was just a thought.

I can just imagine someone not Familer with the rifle, stumbles across the gun and starts to check for rounds, can't figure out with mag release and accidentally charged a round and it goes off. Of course this is a worse case scenario but this is what I'm talking about type of situation.


Disclaimer I lock all my weapons with locks but this is just a random scenerio.

Huh, didn't know you could load an AR from the "shotgun" position with clips.

M1 has been using clips since day one.

What about clearing rifles with internal box magazines with no external release or floorplate?

The fact is, no matter what kind of firearm or what kind of magazine the responsibility is on the owner/operator to know how to clear the weapon, verify it is clear, and show that it is clear. While the bullet button may make this operation require more work and more care, it does not in any way absolve anyone of that responsibility.

Anyone have a pic of this? Don't think I've seen one before

I have never shot a rifle witha bullet button, but have a fab 10 lower I bought as a novelty.you can either check it like any semi auto with a fixed mag or pop open the upper. I don't think it is unsafe.

I didn't say it could, I said an AR with a BB is a fixed magazine rifle. The process to check the condition is the same. You pull back the bolt and look for cartridges in the magazine or in the chamber.

+1 for a pic. I'm curious.

Bullet Button

Thanks for the video. I never knew what a bullet button was.

Why did that guy have what looked like empty shells stuck to his gloves?

What is wrong with his mag release that needs to have something other than his finger hit the release?

Cali legal

I guess i fail to see how the BB config could be any more dangerous then a bolt action rifle.

A "bullet button" is a modified mag release, intended as an AWB compliance part for use in California.

The bullet button essentially converts an AR into a fixed magazine rifle, which requires a tool(the tip of a bullet) in order to remove the magazine.

The 'Bullshit button' is nothing more than an inconvenience. Like a politician, it's a thorn in your side that does not really impact your life in any useful way.

OP; if the BS button is too dangerous for you, then you really.... really need to stick to single shot break shotguns. I have a 410 you can train with.

Exactly....."CLIPS"....not magazines. Clips feed magazines, magazines feed weapons. The M1 is a fixed magazine weapon like a BB CA compliant AR
Except for the obvious fact that a BB is a COMPLETELY IDIOTIC and pointless device, while the M1 is an engineering marvel.

Am I missing something here in this comment? The M1 Garand is not a fixed magazine weapon, it only uses clips. The clips pop in and out, and in no way are similar to a fixed magazine rifle. Are you thinking they use stripper clips?

stupid? yes...




Dangerous? not really.............

Um....no....no ...and hell no, I know exactly how they work. the comment about the M1 seemed to made in the flawed understanding that they are not a fixed magazine rifle...they are, and are charged with "clips" like most military rifles of their day. just said it because using the word "clips" in place of "magazines" irritates the hell out of me . Of course it wasn't it meant like that, then please forget I mentioned it. I know it has a clip that pops out when the last round if fired...I have several, I collect WWII weapons. I under stand the clip is proprietary to the weapon (like most if not all stripper clips) and that could confuse people into thinking it's magazine fed.

Back to the topic at hand......

The funny part of all of this, is that some political jackass somewhere thinks he/she is getting over on some one with this pointless "bullet Button". The only dangerous part about it seems to be there is someone out there stupid enough to pass this thing. Unfortunately that person has lots of company I'm afraid.

So...do you HAVE to put one of these ridiculous things on your rifle to have an AR in California? Or is it just an option to allow you an "evil feature" in light of a removable magazine?

@LongBow12...In California, to have an AR like all of us are familiar with, you DO have to
install a "Bullshit Button" on your rifle. I do understand why anti-gun asshole politicians
pushed for it...in an futile attempt to slow down rapid magazine dumps, but there are ways around it.

I use one of these little gizmos...



Yes, it's BS that I HAVE to resort to something like this, but it's not too bad to use once
you get used to it. I am able to do mag dumps (10rd, I HATE Cali! ) ALMOST as
fast as I can with a standard mag release button.

Unfortunately since I live here in California and have been unable to talk my wife into
moving to another state, I've had to just get used to the BS in order to keep and enjoy my AR.

Bummer man I feel for you guys. Maybe one day the Government will wake up and stop handicapping it's good citizens. Not holding my breath on it though.

That really sucks. I've heard of this, but that is the first time I saw it. Thanks.

The M1 Garand is definitely a fixed magazine weapon. A magazine has the mechanism to feed cartridges to the weapon's chamber (a spring and follower in most removable magazines) while a clip has no ability to move cartridges. The M1 Garand uses a removable/insertable clip within a fixed (built-in) magazine.

The M14 rifle is very similar to the M1 Garand except that the M14 uses a removable magazine. The M14 magazine can be filled while still attached to the rifle by the use of cartridges held in stripper clips.

Yep, they kinda suck, but it's what we have at the moment.

Yeah, it sux but on the other hand it will be almost 80 degrees at the shooting range today, lol.

The government will NEVER wake up. The citizens have to realize they own the government. Get involved.

Just a quick bit of info on the Bullet Button....The concept was developed by CA shooters, NOT politicians. No politicians were involved in creating or mandating Bullet Buttons. The laws on the books made specific exemptions and rules for "fixed magazine" rifles so the CA shooting community openely hashed out the legal arguments in the forums and this is one of the results. There were a few variations on the theme to make rifles comply with the California definition of a "fixed magazine" rifle and is one that has become very popular.

Know the history of the devices you guys are complaining about and be thankful to those before you that actually put their money where their mouths are and CREATED something. We can do a lot of positive things when we get down to it.

Getting the nonsensical AW laws thrown out would of course be the ultimate solution but this allows us to have ARs in a somewhat usable state.

One positive thing about the BB is that it is totally reversible back to mil spec cofiguration. So if you move out of state, your AR is unharmed.
Another positive note, CA is being sued for the assault weapons ban right now. Hopefully we can throw these things in the trash someday soon.

When you talk like that, it gives me lap lumber.

has the solartactical.com Kydex sleeve been approved. It looks cool but i dont know if its legal?

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