CCW laws

Im coming from texas to visit some family in two weeks and was wondering a brief overview of the carry laws. I know they are prety similar to texas, but where besides school and the obvious you cant carry. Are there 30.06 signs like down hereor what should I look for at buisnesses and resteraunts I cant carry in. I will mainly be in lawton and okc.

Check out the tacked thread at the top about the Oklahoma Self Defense Act. You can download our "rule book" as a PDF via the link in that thread.

But to answer your question there is no standardization for "no carry" signs. All "no carry" signs are lawful. (Would it be wrong if I see a red circle with a line through it, which has a siloutte of a revolver under the red line, and I take that sign as meaning "revolvers are not welcome here"?)

A pistol with a red circle and a line through it is the sign that means they will never get my business. It also means I can't carry in there.

Restaurants whose primary business is food but also serve alcohol are OK but you must stay out of the bar area. Look for the age 21 signs and that is usually the designated area.

Bars and establishments whose primary purpose is to serve alcohol are prohibited.

Banks are not automatically prohibited. It is a business decision for the bank. No sign, no problem. I have never seen a bank listed in our laws. Better make sure it is nice and concealed though!

State parks are OK. Only the park ranger buildings, etc. are off limits.

If an LEO engages you in conversation, you must notify him that you have a concealed carry. Most of the time I just quietly show them my CCL and they nod and we don't ever really discuss it and that is a polite way of abiding by the law without causing undue alarm.

I have carried in Texas and the laws are very, very similar. Our capitol is off limits however. Steve

Sir, slight change to that, if I'm understanding the SDA correctly.

"It shall be unlawful for any person to fail or refuse to identify the fact that the person is in actual possession of a concealed handgun pursuant to the authority of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act when the person first comes into contact with any law enforcement officer of this state or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop. No person shall be required to identify himself or herself as a concealed handgun licensee when no handgun is in the person’s possession or in any vehicle in which the person is driving or is a passenger."

But when I have a handgun, it is still my lawful responsibility to identify myself as such. That last sentence is open enough to make it where we still need to do so if carrying and engaged by law enforcement.

Use good judgment. We obviously don't want to make some scene or make the conversation unfriendly, etc. I have found the above method the easiest way to do so. I never say a word and it draws little notice.

Steve that maybe a bit overboard

when LEO talk to me at work aka the gun store or quip trip they don't ask they know I am carrying they don't want people to pop there lic out.

but if they are on call, stop me or if it is some thing the are questioning me then they are told first thing

I have had a cwl for 16 years in april

I have never meet a leo that wanted me to tell them i was packing just to say hello how are you

yes and I carry concealed at the gun store 100% of the time. If I had to tell them every time I saw a Leo I would wear out my lic in 3 months

it's simple. If an LEO initiates a contact with you and asks questions like he is investigating, tell them.
If it's something like "pass the ketchup", it ain't his business.
If I have an LEO in uniform ask me what time it is, I'll tell him. I'm not going to tell him I have an 870 under my jacket, a 32 in my pocket, or a razor in my shoe.
If he asks me where I'm going or what I'm doing at the place he contacts me, I'll tell him I have a SDA (ccw) license plus whatever else he wants to know i.e. I'm getting a coke.
I helped a gal broke down beside I-35 last summer. She had overheated. A female OHP in a Tahoe pulled up to give assistance.
She walked up and I told her flat out I was required to tell her I had a firearm concealed and a SDA license.
I was putting water in the radiator when I did that.
She didn't ask to see my SDA license but told me to keep my hands out in plain sight and not to make any fast movements.
The truth is you don't ever know how a LEO will react when you give them notice that you are carrying.
So if you are not required to by law, don't.
ETA In a traffic stop I used to put my hands behind my head to let them know I was carrying. I no longer do that because of an over reaction by a cop. I've actually had them tell me thanks for letting them know that way. But it only took one to change my mind about doing that.
I now roll the window down and stick both my hands out the window in a traffic stop.
You want to get your car tossed, to get handcuffed and put in the back of a squad car? Tell them you have a SDA license then stutter when they ask you what you've been doing. It's not smart to start to say something like "WTF difference does it make?" and stop when realize that it will get you hooked up. Starting to say it, then changing your mind out of good sense will get you out of the car and up against the side of the truck anyway.

Jeez......

I never tell cops I'm carrying when I'm at work on private property. I run into a few a day there......

You better not tell the vice squad what you do for work....

And you can carry at church here!
I just don't go to church in Texass.

While rooting through the new bills being introduced in Oklahoma I ran across HB2309 which changes some of the wording on when you must inform a law enforcement officer about a concealed handgun.

The paragraph dealing with this issue is changed to read:



Original paragraph was:

I like the wording being more specific for sure.

Neither one, though, dictates that the officer must be informed during casual conversation or what not. It is only requiring licensees to indicate possesion and make the officer aware during lawful contact during the course of arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop...

The no gun ghostbusters signs hold no legal grounds and you can carry in stores that have them except that are already listed in the sda law book. There is no statute that I'm aware of that you can be charged with for getting caught for carrying in say blockbuster when they have a sign.

You know, I just went through the SDA law book again, I couldn't seem to find a reference for this anymore, although I could have sworn that it used to be in there. I'm thinking that you are correct.

You think it's gonna make a difference if they do have a sign up anyway?
WTF you been Josh?
It's good to see you post again.

sounds like they're patrons

Josh, that information isn't correct. Here's a direct quote of the course book I have to teach from:

K. Section 1290.22 - Business owner’s rights
NOTE: (K) -It is unlawful for a person with or without a license to carry a concealed weapon onto property
where an owner has barred weapons, with the exception of transporting and storing a firearm in a locked vehicle
o n any property set aside for any vehicle. 21 O.S. 1289.7a(A)

Only if they ask you to leave and you don't! Then it's tresspassing.

Here's what one of my fellow instructors had to say about it:

Hi 2B,

Yeah. There is still no fine or charge attached to the statute aside from being covered under "trespassing" laws if applicable. But, it clearly states that you may loose your conceal carry license in our materials.

Lots of guys want to believe that it's OK. But that doesn't get them through what the law actually states.


III. OKLAHOMA SELF-DEFENSE ACT (TITLE 21 O.S. § 1290.1)

A. The law of the State of Oklahoma recognizes the rights of citizens to defend themselves from apparent threats to the life and safety of themselves, certain others, and in legitimate defense of a dwelling from illegal entry and attack.

B. Authorizes the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation to issue concealed handgun licenses. (Title 21 O.S. § 1290.3)

(B.) - Certain weapons, when lawfully possessed and properly used, are also authorized by law while others are not.

1. Only persons properly licensed may lawfully carry an authorized concealed handgun.

2. Carrying a concealed handgun without a proper license, carrying an unauthorized firearm, improper use of a firearm, and carrying an authorized weapon into prohibited places can result in serious criminal charges being brought against the person and revocation or denial of any license issued under the act.


If someone wants to roll the dice on this, they of course, can. But I'm not going there.

Imagine having to use your gun in a place where having a gun is not legal. None of the deadly force statute will apply to you. You're on your own. Your fate may be decide by a judge or jury, because there is no provision that allows the use of deadly force (other than improvised deadly force) in that kind of situation. Your gun will not be considered a legal means of lethal force.

Instructor D

Imagine if someone had a gun and used it when Chad Peery got broken up. Our DA would have undoubtedly filed charges on them for carrying in a bar even when they would have prevented him from having his neck broken.
IMO you are screwed coming and going, if you do or you don't.
As my 86 yo Uncle Bob, the retired OHP trooper, puts it, the law sucks sometimes even for police officers.

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