Need advice on items sold via Gunbroker, being accused of misrepresentation

I sold two old style Adams Arms conversion kits, NIB, on GB last Friday. Today I get a call from the guy that purchased them claiming they were used with easily over 2000 rounds through them.

These kits were purchased when AA offered them for $250 here on the forum and have sat in the boxes unused. In fact I haven't ever purchased a single round of 5.56 as my only AR, prior to a few weeks ago, was a DSA rifle with a cmmg .22 kit in it.

In any case he called me a liar and I told him to send me pictures and further contact could be done via email until I get pictures.

I have sold numerous items without any issue online. My reputation is impeccable and this username is used everywhere, I take my online dealing very seriously. I was flabbergasted when I listened to his voice-mail and heard his accusations.

In either case what actions should I take to protect myself. Link to my add, paid via paypal.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=279347293

I also sent him an email with additional photographs of the items and a screen capture of the create date of said photographs, March 25th 2012.


I truly hope this is a misunderstanding or a shipping issue, but I believe he is attempting to swindle me.

It sounds like a classic case of buyer's remorse and there are but two cures I'm aware of.

Refund the purchase price less shipping ETC

or

Tell him to pound sand and watch the sparks fly.

Either way I would make GunBroker aware of the buyer's threats ETC.

TD who has 100's completed GB auctions.

I agree when he first purchased these kits he didn't realize they did not come with the one-piece carrier even though the pictures clearly show no carrier and I specifically mentioned in the description that no carrier is included. When we spoke on the phone we looked at the auction together and he conceded he was mistaken. At that time I offered him an out right then and there. I told him I would understand if he wished to back out of the deal, no hard feelings. He explained he didn't feel right doing that and then proceeded to look up his cost of the on piece carrier. He told he could get the carrier for $75from AA and that this was still a good deal for him.

I spoke with paypal and pretty much have to wait for him to get an investigation opened before I can submit any evidence. I voiced my concern that he has my items and could damage or abuse them and then take pictures of the aftermath claiming that was how he received them.

Off to try and talk to someone at gunbroker about this.

You'll get your PayPal account locked if he complains there.

This is going to get your Paypal account locked isn't it? Don't they forbid selling if gun parts?

yea, I figured. It seems like this whole thing is going to be a PITA, but he agreed to the deal and the items were as advertised. Had he backed out when offered I wouldn't have thought twice, but now I'm inclined to watch the sparks fly.

I would offer a refund, but he kept claiming the items were in poor condition. I'm not sending you new goods only to have crap sent back...not to mention he called me a liar on several occasions.

haha, I thought about that too. If it does, well so be it.

So most likely.

The fact that the seller completed the auction using PayPal concerns me.

PayPal has a long history of siding with the buyer regardless of the facts and freezing accounts while they conduct a so called investigation. I never accept PayPal for an auction outside of Ebay unless the buyer is a friend or an established customer.

GOOD LUCK..!!!!!

TD

Yea, I've never had an issue until now so even though I heard horror stories in regards to PP I kept using them. Lesson learned the hard way, even if I do come out on top USPS MO from now on.

Dont under estimate how big a PITA it is to be without a paypal acct. If you find something on ebay etc that is a good price many times they require instant payment.

Niether Paypal nor Gunbroker will do anything.

Bought a scope that clearly stated it was illuminated reticle on Gunbroker. Guess what, it wasn't and the guy wanted to give me a credit and not my money back. Opened a case with Paypal and Gunbroker and niether one did a thing about it.

Save yourself some heartburn. Refund the guy's money, sell it again. see if he'll pay shipping back this way.

FYI- I got a $140 when I sold the exact same kit well, a carbine model] here on the EE weeks ago, and I didn't pay GB fees.

I would agree with this. I have never had a good experience with Pay Pal as a seller. I even had someone purchase something on ebay using a stolen credit card, they paid me through Pay Pal. I shipped the item to the address of the Pay Pal Account with shipping confirmation. The owner of the stolen card disputed the charge (as they should), but guess what Pay Pal did? Yep, took the money back out of my account. Did I ever see the item again...hell know. So instead of the person that got their card stolen or Pay Pal getting screwed... I did! Needless to say, that was a 300.00 lesson. Pay pal has the market by the balls if you want to sell items online! Cut your losses and refund, and hope you see the item again. If you are going to sell online a bunch, look into one of the smart phone apps that allow you to process credit cards. My two cents.

I do sell a fair amount, but typically on other forums with people that have a long standing rep. I normally don't sell on places like ebay, GB, CL and this is why. Oh well, waiting on the pictures of my "used" items.

Such horseshit....

Gunbroker is no better than craigslist. They had a guy on there that defrauded people of 500,000 or more dollars worth of raufuss rounds. Gunbroker was happy to keep raking in the fees.

I somehow doubt this....

Are you saying the guy used a legitimate credit card number to open his GB account..???

If I were a betting man and I am my money is on a stolen CC was used to set up the GB account and all fees associated with the sales in question were charged back to GB.

TD

Over a three year period he was selling fake raufuss rounds. API painted to look like them. You can google it and find a dozen threads. Guys xrayed them etc and gunbroker still did nothing.

Ohhh,

The seller was shipping but there was some disagreement over the item shipped verses the actual item delivered.

I can see this could be a tough issue for GB to deal with since it's a "He said....She said" situation.

How did this continue for three years....????

TD

He was selling repainted APIs. The only real way to tell is Xray and folks did that, went back, and GB did nothing.

http://www.ak47.net/forums/t_6_3/335255__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Raufoss__50_BMG_explosive_rounds.html&page=3

lovely, looks like this will be a BOHICA moment.

Well, if I get these things back I'll let them got to home town members for $100.

in for one!

It's a fact. I saw a thread on another site where the guy revealed the silver paint underneath the RAUFOSS colors, then went as far as to cut the bullet in half, then cut an API in half. It was the same bullet. The fact that AP or API gives a bit of a light show when it hits something makes some folks think they are looking at small explosions. Anyway, it was a very detailed thread that convinced me that the guy was in fact selling fake RAUFOSS rounds and GB would only offer a blind eye to the matter.

I'll take one as well.

TD

I'll let you guys know what happens. I did list a 3 day inspection on my auction, but i want to see the condition of them first before I agree to a refund.

So this is guy I am dealing with:
http://www.globalarms.org/page.php?15

Here is a picture he took. I requested more with everything I sent before I agree to any type of refund.

You can clearly see a difference in that piston vs. the one that is in your GB auction.

Perhaps he had two shitty ones already that he got screwed on, and he's trying to con you. Some people do this at walmart. For example, your xbox takes a shit on you, you go buy an xbox at walmart, put crap xbox in new box, return to walmart, and free xbox is yours.

For precisely that exact reason, Walmart and a lot of the major retailers will scan and verify the serial number on the machine and box.

Oh I know.

Spoke with his in house gunsmith who told me they only bought my kits for the oprods, since they needed midlengths for a customer's build. Only to find they couldn't use them due to their condition. Oh and they ran a ballistics test and the residue in the GB is powder and there's tons of it Amazing since those GBs never came in contact with an AR barrel, unless adams arms is testing before shipping out. I knew when he called to confirm his purchase something was off with this guy, I need to trust my gut. When he couldn't tell it didn't come with the carrier and he started to balk I should've canceled it then.

Whatever. I told him I wanted everything sent back and in the condition I sent it to them as I had buyers that wanted the items. Such a bunch of shit, never do business with Global Arms from kalifornia.

To those members that were interested in these kits: If you are still interested you can look over kits before you buy, heck I might just give'em to you I'm so sick over this horseshit. Done dealing with faceless assholes, only sticking to fellow forum members with good reputations. I'll be at truprep this Saturday is anyone wants to meet to look them over.

PM sent

dibs on a free one

A lot of times people will complain to paypal after recieving an item just to see if paypal refunds them the money and they keep whatever they bought.

I'd take one if you get them back to resell

This is why I will only buy, and not sell, on eBay anymore. Since eBay only uses PayPal, it is too easy to lose items to thieves.

My most recent selling experience on eBay will be my last. I may still buy items, but I do not intend on paying shipping on an item, not the mention losing the item itself, just to put it into the hands of a thief.

I had a similar situation recently. I sold a Swarovski scope (a safe queen) for $600. I listed it used and "as is-no refund or exchange." it's an $1100 scope new. I even included flip open caps. Buyer pays with Money Order. I ship scope. He claims there is fog inside and DEMANDS refund. Ships scope back. I knew the product I shipped him was not fogged and I had 2 friends that had looked through it as well-neither could see fog. He refused to have Swarovski look at it. I didn't sign for the package. He left bad feedback on GB (1 bad in 64 total feedbacks). He then made a fraud claim. It's in "waiting on buyer" status. I am going to cancel my credit card so GB can't screw me.

I recommend you payoff Paypal balance and cancel credit card so Paypal can't charge your account. If Paypal does, dispute the charge with your credit card company. Don't let him rip you off. Tell him to "Eat a D**K" too.

Got a tracking number today, so we will see what arrives at my door. If they are what I sent I will have no issue selling them here. Now, on the other hand, if I get back crap I would let you guys make your own price as I couldn't in good conscious sell shit that is used and in possibly non-working condition. One member has already PM'd me for one.

I'll post pics and since it's local you can even meet me someplace and look at them in person.

I will be at truprep on Saturady 2-5 for Shep's class and at Creekside on May 12th for the carbine course.

Jeffco and Treedawg are first on the list.

I dont know why your taking them back. Either you shipped a good product, or you didnt. If you didnt, you should know he is trying to screw you.

I know he is trying to screw me, I knew that the second I heard his voicemail and I was pissed. Hell, I had a feeling something was off when he called me with questions after he bought the items. It was like he didn't even read my ad.

Read the other responses I received, they are right and I've heard it before, paypal sides with the buyer and I stood losing my paypal account for selling gun parts. I just want this thing over and done with, it sucks and initially I wanted to take a stand because I am getting screwed, but as I calmed down I knew the result would be the same regardless. I got pimped, not happy about it and it is the first time in all my years of doing business online. So I learned to stick with my usually methods of selling good online, internet forums and members that are in good standing. I take pride in my online reputation, as silly as it sounds, and I didn't want a black mark on it even if I was in the right it probably would end up reflecting badly on me.

Hell, I've read multiple accounts of sellers losing the money and never seeing their goods again. Hopefully I get back something of use and then the guys here can decide what, if anything, its worth.

Ha, just read your reply so you know better than I do. I commend you for taking a stand against the shyster, maybe I'm a pussy for just wanting to get this situation resolved without the hassle of paypal and GB.

Well, I think I am just too stubborn. I am just sick of these buyers that have remorse or want to F**K people over. I really don't mind if my account gets locked. I'll do what I have to. Glad you posted this. I learned something about Paypal. They are anti gun anyways, may be a good reason to cancel my account.

Put me on the list also, i need an old style kit without the BCG

yeah I only sell here on the EE, and FTF stuff on the ODT....I'll only accept a MO from someone with no feedback

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