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akcaribouhunter  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 11:38:36 PM
Can only find it on adn.

http://www.adn.com/2012/04/04/2407640/alaska-high-court-reviews-federal.html
FDC  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 1:51:52 AM
Seen it earlier....while trash bag wearing dude may have looked like an average Alaskan, the counter worker obviously screwed up by leaving the rifle out and Mr trash bag in the store.

I wonder what type of ID he had or what the NICS would have said if it was called in.


Here is the ADN article...

Alaska high court reviews federal gun-shop liability law


By Sean Cockerham

(04/04/12 16:57:22)

WASHINGTON –– A Bush-era federal law that protects gun dealers from liability for murders committed with guns from their shops is under attack in an Alaska court, and that has led the Justice Department and gun-control activists to intervene in the case.

At issue is whether a Juneau gun dealer is liable for letting a disheveled homeless felon leave his store with a rifle, which he used to murder a total stranger. The family of the murder victim, Anchorage contractor Simone Kim, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit that has made it to the Alaska Supreme Court.

The Kims are challenging the constitutionality of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which effectively protects the gun industry from most lawsuits.

"It's a very important case. This is the first state Supreme Court that will be deciding the breadth of the law as it applies to gun dealers who supply criminals with guns and profit from that," said Jonathan Lowy, an attorney with the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington, D.C., who is acting as co-counsel for the Kims.

Jason Coday, a drifter with a police record in Utah and Nevada, arrived in Juneau on Aug. 2, 2006. Within hours, Coday walked into Rayco Sales gun shop wearing a garbage bag around his waist, which was filled either with his belongings or a sleeping bag –– there's some dispute over that point.

"Throughout the surrounding weeks Coday (had) repeatedly exhibited bizarre behavior, with at least 18 encounters with law enforcement throughout the West . . . including walking around with a sawed-off shotgun and a bandolier of extra ammunition, hallucinating that people were laughing at him, and standing on the roof of a bank," according to attorneys representing Kim's family.

Coday struck up a conversation with the owner of Rayco Sales, Ray Coxe, telling him he wanted to look at a .22-caliber long rifle.

"He looked to Mr. Coxe like someone who was living in the woods or had just gotten off a ferry, neither unusual in Juneau during the summer," Coxe's attorney, Anthony Sholty of Juneau, said in court filings.

Bill Driver, a Rayco sales clerk, described Coday in court papers as appearing to be a "typical Alaskan."

Coxe showed Coday several rifles, including a $195 Ruger. Coday, who was not legally allowed to possess a firearm, said he would think about it. The gun-shop owner said he went to the rear of his store to take care of other things after Coday picked up his backpack as if to leave.

Coday, meanwhile, left two $100 bills on the counter and walked away with the rifle, which he later sawed off.

Coday started camping in the woods behind a grocery store. Two days after acquiring the rifle, he came across 26-year-old Kim, who was working as a painter on the grocery store and sending money home to his parents in Anchorage.

Prosecutors said that, in a random act of violence, Coday shot Kim in the face, then pumped two more rounds into his body after he fell. It was the first murder in Juneau in five years.

Coday, who head-butted his attorney after being found guilty, was sentenced to 101 years in prison.

Kim's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Coxe, the gun-shop owner. Coxe argued that the lawsuit against him should be thrown out under the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, arguing that the federal law bars general-negligence claims. There are exceptions for when the gun seller is violating statutes or should know that the buyer will commit a crime, but the trial judge ruled they don't apply in this case and agreed to dismiss the lawsuit.

The Kims appealed to the Alaska Supreme Court, arguing that Coxe broke the law by giving Coday access to the gun without checking his background. (The Kims also allege that it was an "off the books" gun sale rather than a mistake.)

The Kims make the broader argument that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is an unconstitutional federal overreach into states' rights. The act "impermissibly infringes on state sovereignty by dictating to Alaska how it must conduct its lawmaking function with respect to gun seller liability," argued the family's attorneys.

That assertion prompted the Justice Department to intervene, with Obama administration lawyers seeking to protect the law signed by President George W. Bush.

The Justice Department argues that Congress was within its power to pass the firearms industry shield law because the Constitution allows Congress to regulate interstate commerce.

The state of Alaska, while intensely pro-gun, has not filed any brief taking a stand in the Kims' lawsuit.

National Rifle Association lobbyist Brian Judy referred questions on the case to the NRA's public affairs department, which did not reply to a request for comment.

The NRA described the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act as the most significant pro-gun legislation in 20 years when Bush signed it into law in 2006. "History will show that this law helped save the American firearms industry from collapse under the burden of these ruinous and politically motivated lawsuits," Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president, said at the time.

http://www.adn.com/2012/04/04/2407640/alaska-high-court-reviews-federal.html
viper5243  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 9:08:49 AM
You don't leave customers with a gun "to go to the rear of the store to take care of other things"

Anybody have any experience with this place?


Reminded me of a few months ago. A buddy and i were out in the valley and stopped in a pawn shop. He asks to see a rifle and he's checking it out and talking to the guy about. I was at the other side of the counter and not even involved in their conversation and did not even touch or say anything about the rifle. Buddy says "i'll take it" and the worker looks at both of us and asks "who's filling out the background check". I look at my buddy and it's
The_Emu  [Member]
4/5/2012 9:41:30 AM
Did the gun shop report it as a theft? If not, how was it removed from the gunshops records?
aleutianhunter  [Life Member]
4/5/2012 11:20:05 AM
Originally Posted By viper5243:
You don't leave customers with a gun "to go to the rear of the store to take care of other things"

Anybody have any experience with this place?


Reminded me of a few months ago. A buddy and i were out in the valley and stopped in a pawn shop. He asks to see a rifle and he's checking it out and talking to the guy about. I was at the other side of the counter and not even involved in their conversation and did not even touch or say anything about the rifle. Buddy says "i'll take it" and the worker looks at both of us and asks "who's filling out the background check". I look at my buddy and it's


I've been in the shop. The rifles are set on shelves behind an open counter and you can step back there to handle/see them. Same thing as Great Northern where they have most rifles in front of the counter. This was 2-3 years ago.
viper5243  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 3:46:24 PM

Originally Posted By aleutianhunter:
Originally Posted By viper5243:
You don't leave customers with a gun "to go to the rear of the store to take care of other things"

Anybody have any experience with this place?


Reminded me of a few months ago. A buddy and i were out in the valley and stopped in a pawn shop. He asks to see a rifle and he's checking it out and talking to the guy about. I was at the other side of the counter and not even involved in their conversation and did not even touch or say anything about the rifle. Buddy says "i'll take it" and the worker looks at both of us and asks "who's filling out the background check". I look at my buddy and it's


I've been in the shop. The rifles are set on shelves behind an open counter and you can step back there to handle/see them. Same thing as Great Northern where they have most rifles in front of the counter. This was 2-3 years ago.

Sounds like a different one. I actually dont know the name of this place. It's in the middle of a strip mall in wasilla. All the guns are in back of the counter.
uafgrad  [Moderator]
4/5/2012 6:29:44 PM
If they reported it as stolen, can't understand how there is a case
If they kept the cash and never reported the gun stolen, I foresee many issues for them