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Training with mag couplers...
9/10/2010 6:46:53 PM
I was looking to get some opinions on training with a mag coupler rather than using a redi-mag. I am not fond of having a stock mounted magazine holder and they don't work in my rack anyway. I would use a redi-mag on my gun, but can't as of now. Tactics wise, are there any issues with coupled mags? I am looking for a practical way to have an extra mag on me without having to remembering to put one in my pocket if there is not enough time to don my vest.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
9/10/2010 7:13:27 PM
just remember that first reload you have to grab the mag first. first time i tried a reload i just hit the mag release like always and bam, 30 rounds and 2 magazines on the ground
you have to be ready for that. and if you do plan on picking that magzine up at some point, it wont fit in any regular pouch
another issue is that during firing the first magazine you can have the first round of the second magazine work its way forward and cause problem during your reload, the redi mag does fix this however
im not a big fan coupled magazines. id just stick with single mags and put a spare in your pocket.
you have to be ready for that. and if you do plan on picking that magzine up at some point, it wont fit in any regular pouch
another issue is that during firing the first magazine you can have the first round of the second magazine work its way forward and cause problem during your reload, the redi mag does fix this however
im not a big fan coupled magazines. id just stick with single mags and put a spare in your pocket.
9/11/2010 8:05:31 AM
I think with training I could overcome dropping the coupled mags on the first reload. Also, I was only looking to use coupled mags in the gun only so I don't need to worry about finding special pouches for them. This is just so if I leave the car in a hurry without a vest I have two mags on me.
What really concerns me is the rounds moving forward in the magazine, that is a problem. Have you experienced this with P-mags and USGI mags alike? Is this a 1 in 1,000 occurrence or 1 in 10? I am well aware of Murphy's law; however, would love to know if this is an extremely rare or common issue.
Thanks again for your response.
What really concerns me is the rounds moving forward in the magazine, that is a problem. Have you experienced this with P-mags and USGI mags alike? Is this a 1 in 1,000 occurrence or 1 in 10? I am well aware of Murphy's law; however, would love to know if this is an extremely rare or common issue.
Thanks again for your response.
9/11/2010 9:40:57 PM
happy to help.
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
it comes to the way that force is applied to the mag, load a magazine and then wack it against your palm and see if the rounds move. now wack it 30 times and swing it around a bit. itll move.
youll also notice this when you wear your magazines everyday for a year and are constantly moving around. the key is PMCS. pull your magazines out and dust em off, clean em every once in a while and always always always check them before each mission. a lot of couch commandos dont experience this because they just dont use the gear that much.
new magazines can mitigate this, but itll happen eventually. and mitigate is not eliminate.
i also experimented with the CAA buttstock and mag holder that uses the rail. this actually works but other problems come up when you get to support shoulder firing and sideprone.
best advice i can give you is if you are needing a rifle take a regular no BS magazine pouch and keep 1 or 2 magazines in it and snapped to your weapon sling. when you grab your rifle put the pouch on your belt, or if you just have to move RIGHT FUCKING NOW leave it on the sling.
it works, trust me. let me know if you have more questions. im always happy to help.
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
it comes to the way that force is applied to the mag, load a magazine and then wack it against your palm and see if the rounds move. now wack it 30 times and swing it around a bit. itll move.
youll also notice this when you wear your magazines everyday for a year and are constantly moving around. the key is PMCS. pull your magazines out and dust em off, clean em every once in a while and always always always check them before each mission. a lot of couch commandos dont experience this because they just dont use the gear that much.
new magazines can mitigate this, but itll happen eventually. and mitigate is not eliminate.
i also experimented with the CAA buttstock and mag holder that uses the rail. this actually works but other problems come up when you get to support shoulder firing and sideprone.
best advice i can give you is if you are needing a rifle take a regular no BS magazine pouch and keep 1 or 2 magazines in it and snapped to your weapon sling. when you grab your rifle put the pouch on your belt, or if you just have to move RIGHT FUCKING NOW leave it on the sling.
it works, trust me. let me know if you have more questions. im always happy to help.
9/11/2010 10:53:47 PM
Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
happy to help.
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
it comes to the way that force is applied to the mag, load a magazine and then wack it against your palm and see if the rounds move. now wack it 30 times and swing it around a bit. itll move.
youll also notice this when you wear your magazines everyday for a year and are constantly moving around. the key is PMCS. pull your magazines out and dust em off, clean em every once in a while and always always always check them before each mission. a lot of couch commandos dont experience this because they just dont use the gear that much.
new magazines can mitigate this, but itll happen eventually. and mitigate is not eliminate.
i also experimented with the CAA buttstock and mag holder that uses the rail. this actually works but other problems come up when you get to support shoulder firing and sideprone.
best advice i can give you is if you are needing a rifle take a regular no BS magazine pouch and keep 1 or 2 magazines in it and snapped to your weapon sling. when you grab your rifle put the pouch on your belt, or if you just have to move RIGHT FUCKING NOW leave it on the sling.
it works, trust me. let me know if you have more questions. im always happy to help.
happy to help.
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
it comes to the way that force is applied to the mag, load a magazine and then wack it against your palm and see if the rounds move. now wack it 30 times and swing it around a bit. itll move.
youll also notice this when you wear your magazines everyday for a year and are constantly moving around. the key is PMCS. pull your magazines out and dust em off, clean em every once in a while and always always always check them before each mission. a lot of couch commandos dont experience this because they just dont use the gear that much.
new magazines can mitigate this, but itll happen eventually. and mitigate is not eliminate.
i also experimented with the CAA buttstock and mag holder that uses the rail. this actually works but other problems come up when you get to support shoulder firing and sideprone.
best advice i can give you is if you are needing a rifle take a regular no BS magazine pouch and keep 1 or 2 magazines in it and snapped to your weapon sling. when you grab your rifle put the pouch on your belt, or if you just have to move RIGHT FUCKING NOW leave it on the sling.
it works, trust me. let me know if you have more questions. im always happy to help.
Thats a great idea.
9/12/2010 12:36:04 PM
i tried all kinds of stupid shit trying to figure out this problem. in the end the answer was just staring me in the face. i just hope i can save someone else the headaches and money i spent
10/6/2010 5:18:01 PM
I ended up sticking a 20 round PMAG on the duty belt using a Safariland kydex mag holder.
10/7/2010 4:48:21 AM
Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
to answer your question its happened everytime i fired. so id say common. it also happens when youre running around or the weapon is banging around in the vehicle. i used mostly issued GI magazines until i firgured out how to fit Pmags into the CAA mag couplers. now if you leave the lid on the Pmags this would fix the issue but obviously there goes your quick reload.
The Blackhawk mag coupler has a little snap-on piece that covers your second mag and flips off easily with your thumb when you are reloading with the second mag. I have one, it works, but I'm still not a huge fan of mag couplers. I keep one next to my AR in case I need some serious ammo RIGHT NOW and I don't have the chance to grab any pouches, vest, etc. I can see from a patrol officer standpoint that you might want to have an extra mag available, but unless you train with it a lot your trained reload skills will kick in and you'll end up dropping the whole setup, just like CAsoldier said.
If I were in your position, I'd keep an extra mag on my duty belt in a kydex mag holder, get a Redi-Mag setup for my AR, or keep a single mag pouch on the sling. Or all three, really - there's no such thing as too much ammo!
