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Precedural for knee
9/13/2010 9:07:23 PM
Damn if I didn't get busted for not having my knee down right before the first round out, I mean it couldn't have been more than a 10th of a second & the SO caught it. This guys is really good or just busting balls, either way it was still zero down so I'm happy.
Now if I would just stop hitting that extended mag release in the middle of a string it be just peachy
Looks like it's back to the lathe for me.
Now if I would just stop hitting that extended mag release in the middle of a string it be just peachy
Looks like it's back to the lathe for me.
9/13/2010 11:02:30 PM
I'm learning that if you get a SO that's all about punishing shooters, there's nothing you can do about it. We had a surprise section of our last stage of the match where you engaged 3 targets at point blank with 2 rounds in any order. Even though that 2 of the 3 targets could not be engaged without moving, I was tagged, WITH NO WARNING, that I hadn't moved. Of course the SO was also the guy that happen to win the division.
Whatever. He barely beat me and it was my first IDPA match ever. The lesson learned for me is to explicitly ask the SO what he wants me to do and if I have any ideas to bounce it off of him/her prior and get their approval.
Rich
Whatever. He barely beat me and it was my first IDPA match ever. The lesson learned for me is to explicitly ask the SO what he wants me to do and if I have any ideas to bounce it off of him/her prior and get their approval.
Rich
9/14/2010 3:24:29 PM
This kind of thing varies from club to club. My local group is pretty laid back. Other clubs will nickel and dime the procedurals, especially to a shooter that's not one of "them". You find it in all sports.
9/16/2010 10:24:49 PM
I just laughed it off, we are tight nit group of guys at our club & whenever we go to another area IDPA shoot we do our own little critique of their SOs & what not to do.
Hopefully the nit picking will never happen but we've all ready lost one match director because "the Club" owner had an ego problem.
The guy was LEO/SWAT so he knew his shit, a shame all that valuable info got tossed to the curb.
Hopefully the nit picking will never happen but we've all ready lost one match director because "the Club" owner had an ego problem.
The guy was LEO/SWAT so he knew his shit, a shame all that valuable info got tossed to the curb.
10/10/2010 8:15:24 PM
I got DQ'd from a portion of my local match yesterday for not reloading between the correct targets.
Supposed to shoot 2, reload, then shoot 2. In my excitement, I shot 1, reloaded, then shot 3. I was going to ask "what happens if I ran dry after #1, would you still have called the procedural, or would you have required me to reload twice?" But it is just a game so I just walked away and promised myself to not make the same mistake again. Live and learn.
10/10/2010 8:22:25 PM
Originally Posted By LOW2000:
I got DQ'd from a portion of my local match yesterday for not reloading between the correct targets.
I got DQ'd from a portion of my local match yesterday for not reloading between the correct targets.
Supposed to shoot 2, reload, then shoot 2. In my excitement, I shot 1, reloaded, then shot 3. I was going to ask "what happens if I ran dry after #1, would you still have called the procedural, or would you have required me to reload twice?" But it is just a game so I just walked away and promised myself to not make the same mistake again. Live and learn.
DQ?
10/11/2010 10:44:25 PM
Originally Posted By LOW2000:
I got DQ'd from a portion of my local match yesterday for not reloading between the correct targets.
I got DQ'd from a portion of my local match yesterday for not reloading between the correct targets.
Supposed to shoot 2, reload, then shoot 2. In my excitement, I shot 1, reloaded, then shot 3. I was going to ask "what happens if I ran dry after #1, would you still have called the procedural, or would you have required me to reload twice?" But it is just a game so I just walked away and promised myself to not make the same mistake again. Live and learn.
DQ'd? Wut?
10/13/2010 2:24:21 PM
No way that's a DQ, unless we are missing something. Procedural, sure. But a DQ? I'd find another club. That RO is wound way to tight.
10/17/2010 12:46:29 AM
Get used to it, I've dealt with the same kind of horse shit when traveling to other clubs.
Fudging the numbers in their favor or a BS procedural, I have to laugh or I'll quit the game all together.
Fudging the numbers in their favor or a BS procedural, I have to laugh or I'll quit the game all together.
11/2/2010 2:48:18 PM
I have been shooting IDPA for 5 years and a SO for 3. I am the match director at my local club and I SO at local State and Regional matches. On stages I have run, shooters have received hundreds of procedurals, dozens of FTDR's and a handful of DQ's - I never gave a single one. The shooters earned each and every one. If a shooter is at their first match, he or she will be cut some slack and not get procedural/FTDR and only a DQ if a safety rule was violated. After the first match, they are expected to know the rules and if they violate the rules, the appropriate penalty will be awarded.
It's not fair, for example, to give one shooter a procedural for cover and not another. It should be even across the board. I was shooting at a regional match when I noticed a shooter (actually a buddy of mine) shoot 3 targets quickly moving through a doorway, that should have been engaged from cover. No procedural was given. I asked the SO, "so, you can engage those on the move?" He replied, "No, should be from cover." I left it at that, but we were shooting the same division/class, he ended up beating me by 2.5 seconds (procedural is 3 sec) and I ended up 4th instead of 3rd in my Division.
I have also been to sanctioned matches at clubs, where the local shooters get coaching tips during walk-through's and the SO's are a little lax with the rules. In my opinion, all it does is hurt the sport, but there is really nothing that can be done besides speaking to the Match Director or Area Coordinator.
I don't have a problem with a RO being a hard ass, just as long as he/she is a hard ass for everyone.
It's not fair, for example, to give one shooter a procedural for cover and not another. It should be even across the board. I was shooting at a regional match when I noticed a shooter (actually a buddy of mine) shoot 3 targets quickly moving through a doorway, that should have been engaged from cover. No procedural was given. I asked the SO, "so, you can engage those on the move?" He replied, "No, should be from cover." I left it at that, but we were shooting the same division/class, he ended up beating me by 2.5 seconds (procedural is 3 sec) and I ended up 4th instead of 3rd in my Division.
I have also been to sanctioned matches at clubs, where the local shooters get coaching tips during walk-through's and the SO's are a little lax with the rules. In my opinion, all it does is hurt the sport, but there is really nothing that can be done besides speaking to the Match Director or Area Coordinator.
I don't have a problem with a RO being a hard ass, just as long as he/she is a hard ass for everyone.
11/2/2010 9:25:51 PM
Originally Posted By cajunboy:
I have been shooting IDPA for 5 years and a SO for 3. I am the match director at my local club and I SO at local State and Regional matches. On stages I have run, shooters have received hundreds of procedurals, dozens of FTDR's and a handful of DQ's - I never gave a single one. The shooters earned each and every one. If a shooter is at their first match, he or she will be cut some slack and not get procedural/FTDR and only a DQ if a safety rule was violated. After the first match, they are expected to know the rules and if they violate the rules, the appropriate penalty will be awarded.
It's not fair, for example, to give one shooter a procedural for cover and not another. It should be even across the board. I was shooting at a regional match when I noticed a shooter (actually a buddy of mine) shoot 3 targets quickly moving through a doorway, that should have been engaged from cover. No procedural was given. I asked the SO, "so, you can engage those on the move?" He replied, "No, should be from cover." I left it at that, but we were shooting the same division/class, he ended up beating me by 2.5 seconds (procedural is 3 sec) and I ended up 4th instead of 3rd in my Division.
I have also been to sanctioned matches at clubs, where the local shooters get coaching tips during walk-through's and the SO's are a little lax with the rules. In my opinion, all it does is hurt the sport, but there is really nothing that can be done besides speaking to the Match Director or Area Coordinator.
I don't have a problem with a RO being a hard ass, just as long as he/she is a hard ass for everyone.
I have been shooting IDPA for 5 years and a SO for 3. I am the match director at my local club and I SO at local State and Regional matches. On stages I have run, shooters have received hundreds of procedurals, dozens of FTDR's and a handful of DQ's - I never gave a single one. The shooters earned each and every one. If a shooter is at their first match, he or she will be cut some slack and not get procedural/FTDR and only a DQ if a safety rule was violated. After the first match, they are expected to know the rules and if they violate the rules, the appropriate penalty will be awarded.
It's not fair, for example, to give one shooter a procedural for cover and not another. It should be even across the board. I was shooting at a regional match when I noticed a shooter (actually a buddy of mine) shoot 3 targets quickly moving through a doorway, that should have been engaged from cover. No procedural was given. I asked the SO, "so, you can engage those on the move?" He replied, "No, should be from cover." I left it at that, but we were shooting the same division/class, he ended up beating me by 2.5 seconds (procedural is 3 sec) and I ended up 4th instead of 3rd in my Division.
I have also been to sanctioned matches at clubs, where the local shooters get coaching tips during walk-through's and the SO's are a little lax with the rules. In my opinion, all it does is hurt the sport, but there is really nothing that can be done besides speaking to the Match Director or Area Coordinator.
I don't have a problem with a RO being a hard ass, just as long as he/she is a hard ass for everyone.
Not the case here, the shoot was , & still is, skewed entirely in their favor.
I really don't care as I've not shot a classifier yet & none of their shoots are classifiers.
It's just good practice to see how things operate both fairly & less favorably
I've seen shoots where guys have argued the point till the cows come home, personally, I'd rather shoot & learn something rather than argue the point to death.
11/3/2010 9:14:23 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people going to the range, regardless of what sport they are participating in, but coming from a USPSA shooter (who has never shot IDPA, so I am ignorant), do all those rules and restrictions take some of the fun out of it?
And just to be clear, I'm not trying to smack-talk your sport––I'm glad people are out there competing.
And just to be clear, I'm not trying to smack-talk your sport––I'm glad people are out there competing.
11/3/2010 4:14:09 PM
Nope, it's just part of the game. I shoot USPSA as well. It's a nice option because when I get board, I can go to the other sport.
11/3/2010 10:10:13 PM
I'd love to shoot USPSA but money dictates what kind of ammo I can go through, 10 round mags seem to suit my wallet better.
11/4/2010 2:02:11 PM
Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
I'd love to shoot USPSA but money dictates what kind of ammo I can go through, 10 round mags seem to suit my wallet better.
I'd love to shoot USPSA but money dictates what kind of ammo I can go through, 10 round mags seem to suit my wallet better.
Since when were you not allowed to use 10 round mags at a USPSA match?
And, please confirm you were DQed for not reloading when they told you to. A procdural I can see, but a DQ? Unless this was an IDPA "Style" match. Then they can make up whatever stupid rules they want.
11/5/2010 1:00:55 AM
No DQ, just a procedural for not being totally down on my right knee before I let off the first round.
11/5/2010 10:10:46 AM
Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
No DQ, just a procedural for not being totally down on my right knee before I let off the first round.
No DQ, just a procedural for not being totally down on my right knee before I let off the first round.
Yup. Procedural. You screwed up. I dont agree with the rule, but it is a rule.
11/5/2010 11:27:51 AM
They have Hawk eyes they do
11/6/2010 10:40:44 PM
That is why I will stick with USPSA. Shot one Idpa match since I was off for once and was trying to find something to do. Just to much stupid tactical BS to enjoy it. Ill stick with shoot all targets as they become visible from within the fault lines
11/7/2010 3:31:08 PM
Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
I'd love to shoot USPSA but money dictates what kind of ammo I can go through, 10 round mags seem to suit my wallet better.
I'd love to shoot USPSA but money dictates what kind of ammo I can go through, 10 round mags seem to suit my wallet better.
USPSA has a place for your 10 round mags.
USPSA In out area Match fees are 20 bucks, and ammo needed is around 100, Bring 150 your going home with some.
IDPA, is 10 bucks, and about 75 rounds. Use to be 50 or less.
IDPA costs about 1/2 as much to shoot.
11/7/2010 4:23:28 PM
Our Matches are $20
