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Fore Grip Question
12/31/2010 7:35:37 PM
Has anybody trained with the new Magpul AFG? What are the pros and cons? Does it make that much of a difference or is the classic vertical grip a better choice? I always wonder if these new ideas are put into actual use or if it is just a "theory" product. Thanks for any input.
12/31/2010 9:20:05 PM
Lots of people train/shoot that way...and 3G guys and target shooters swear by it.
It has yet, AFAIK, to make the jump to the real world.
Also look here.
It has yet, AFAIK, to make the jump to the real world.
Also look here.
1/2/2011 8:55:33 PM
I tried it, but did not like it (my rifles are carbine length, and the theory seems to work better with longer railed hand guards). For the price I would buy one just to try, you can always sell it if you don't like it.
1/6/2011 3:11:00 AM
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Lots of people train/shoot that way...and 3G guys and target shooters swear by it.
It has yet, AFAIK, to make the jump to the real world.
Also look here.
Lots of people train/shoot that way...and 3G guys and target shooters swear by it.
It has yet, AFAIK, to make the jump to the real world.
Also look here.
Just thinking out-loud as to why it wouldn't have been adopted in .mil circles.
I am not sure exactly which rail systems are being issued currently to normal Infantry/Airborne or Marines but the ones that were commonplace when I was in (out in 2006) were the KAC pieces that were behind the FSB. The guys that need a light, IR laser, etc end up filling up the rail with things like that. The AFG takes up a good deal of space and the rails (at least when I was in) don't give the room to mount it, especially considering if it were to be used on an M16A4, the support hand could touch the FSB.
In order to be used, it really does need to be mounted on a long handguard with a lot of space. A FF rail system is a definite plus in this regard. I don't see many units letting their guys switch the delta-ring and FSB on their service rifles over to a lo-pro gas block and a FF rail (unless the units already are running FF rails- DD RIS II has a .gov contract IIRC)
As far as using an AFG is concerned. I have used them on short and long HGs (I shoot with the thumb-break style anyway) and I like them. Definitely better on a long handguard though. On my most recent build I am toying with running a VFG out on the end of the rail and maybe running some drills with the VFG and the AFG to see if I perform better with one or the other.
1/6/2011 5:24:33 PM
FYI - Magpul now has the AFG2, which takes up less rail space.
I have an AFG on both my personal carbine and my work one. Yes, the AFG was designed for a full length system, but I find it works just fine on a shorter length system. "Works" as in allows the shooter to obtain a thumb forward, locked wrist position that mimics the hand position used when shooting handguns.
Additionally, the AFG allows the shooter to get his hand around the bore (offering more speed and control), more than holding under the bore.
As has been mentioned, for the price it's worth checking out. I'm sure you can sell it if it isn't what you're looking for.
Drew
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I have an AFG on both my personal carbine and my work one. Yes, the AFG was designed for a full length system, but I find it works just fine on a shorter length system. "Works" as in allows the shooter to obtain a thumb forward, locked wrist position that mimics the hand position used when shooting handguns.
Additionally, the AFG allows the shooter to get his hand around the bore (offering more speed and control), more than holding under the bore.
As has been mentioned, for the price it's worth checking out. I'm sure you can sell it if it isn't what you're looking for.
Drew
Have you registered for Tactical Response's Fighting Pistol or Fighting Rifle in Los Angeles Feb 14-17? If not, for more info click here.
1/9/2011 2:17:20 PM
It is not for everyone. It is a specific item designed to fit the needs of shooters who maintain a certain shooting style. While it is not necessary for those with that particular style, many who do have that style of shooting do find it to be an advantage. If you do not have that style or grip the AFG will make no sense. The VFG can easily be used for this same outstretched shooting style and many of us had that style for many many years. Many guys with this style still maintain their VFG's which are usually stubbies.
The AFG has made its way into the LE and the Mil world. I have not been a competition shooter for over 20 years. Even though my outstretched style has its direct roots back to my trap / skeet days I have always preferred this type of shotgun / rifle hold. However many of us who have gone through the HK MP5 fighting school days and MP5 CQB era converted to a specific grip suitable for the MP5. When AR / M4 carbine style rifles became more of the norm in the CQB world replacing the MP5's the MP5 grip stuck around. However with the advent of longer rails on carbines many of us guys who prefer that outstretched grip started getting our hands further out on the weapon. The AFG was just an evolution to fit that style. It was not necessarily just confined to competition shooters.
The AFG has made its way into the LE and the Mil world. I have not been a competition shooter for over 20 years. Even though my outstretched style has its direct roots back to my trap / skeet days I have always preferred this type of shotgun / rifle hold. However many of us who have gone through the HK MP5 fighting school days and MP5 CQB era converted to a specific grip suitable for the MP5. When AR / M4 carbine style rifles became more of the norm in the CQB world replacing the MP5's the MP5 grip stuck around. However with the advent of longer rails on carbines many of us guys who prefer that outstretched grip started getting our hands further out on the weapon. The AFG was just an evolution to fit that style. It was not necessarily just confined to competition shooters.
