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Posted: 5/8/2011 4:58:27 PM

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After decades of boating I am thinking of going in a new direction. I no longer need a large family boat and we live on a river. I am considering a square backed canoe as pictured here. http://www.dunhamssports.com/weekly-circular/ to use with my 30lb electric motor and of course, manual propulsion. OPINIONs are requested. Price looks good.
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Posted: 5/8/2011 6:52:31 PM
That won't link to the canoe without a zip code.

I use a regular canoe with a transom that side mounts the motor. I have both an electric and 1.2 hp gas motor. For exploring, the electric is just too much weight (battery) and the battery life too short. Its OK for like motoring around in a strip mine cave but not real serious river or creek work. The little gas on the other hand, that's about 12 hours on 1 gallon of gas and twice the speed.

As for canoe designs, not having a keel feature, usually just a line down the center an inch or two down, is a big deal. You get a lot more sideways control issues Having a keel is a great feature if you want to power it.

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Posted: 5/8/2011 8:11:37 PM
Look for an Old Town Discovery Sport. Damned near indestructible. If you have lotsa $$ and would like something to handle big lakes (winds and big waves), find a real Grand Laker.
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:25:58 PM
My father has a Coleman with the flat back and he has left it at my house for a few years now. We use it with an electric troling motor and if the river is slow enough it works fine. What we normally do is use the motor to go up stream and then use the paddles to go back down. Of cource, that is my daughter helping paddle and she is 6 so I really like having the motor's help going up the river.

The battery does weigh a ton and you really don't go real far before you start loosing power. If you can use a gas motor it is certainly a better option for serious boating but the electric trolling motor is so quiet that you see a lot more critters.
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:42:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
My father has a Coleman with the flat back and he has left it at my house for a few years now. We use it with an electric troling motor and if the river is slow enough it works fine. What we normally do is use the motor to go up stream and then use the paddles to go back down. Of cource, that is my daughter helping paddle and she is 6 so I really like having the motor's help going up the river.

The battery does weigh a ton and you really don't go real far before you start loosing power. If you can use a gas motor it is certainly a better option for serious boating but the electric trolling motor is so quiet that you see a lot more critters.


Ah, the old Ram X Scanoe. Believe it or not, that's a hell of a boat. I have its 15' regular cousin. Their advantage is they are lighter than hell so easy to pick up and ford over shallows. Makes a tad more unstable unless loaded but its a hell of a weight advantage when doing exploring.

Those have a nice keel to them too. About the only ones that do now are the Old Towns and man they're three times as much as the less expensive ones. Not being RamX (pliable plastic with an aluminum frame), the Old Towns weigh about 113 lbs. That's not easy for one person to hustle about but they are very stable and like the Scanoe about 40" at the beam. That's take a good size cooler in the center.

I do like the double wall hard plastic like the Quest at Gander Mountain. They weigh 95 lbs and have neat seats with a back, but no keel so they rate them only for an electric while the Old Town, like the old Coleman Scanoe, was rated for a 5 hp gas.

Now to be honest, the bolt on transom mounts do every well on a normal canoe. They're like $40 and simply clamp on the back. They can't hold much weight, 3 hp maybe, but definately fine for a trolling motor. What I like about them is the motor is much closer to the seat. Not only are you not turned around all day working the motor tiller, but you can rest your arm on it like an arm rest.

Long hauls, a seat back is almost a must. Those too though are a $40 adder and unniversally strap on most of the seats, especially the Old Town slim style seats. Coleman made snap ons for the Ram X models, You just snapped them on the scanoe.

A Scanoe, small gas motor, 5 gallon gas can, and seat backs, man, you could explore for days on end. Strip all that stuff off and then go take it white water riding, getting it wet turn it over stuff.

BTW, Shotar and advantage of a keel canoe is you can tow it behind a big boat and it holds a straight line. Its worth the extra bucks.

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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:49:57 PM
Oh yeah, You get yourself a canoe. Make sure to let me know or call me.

My nephew and I are planning a once in a lifetime canoe trip this summer. We're going to put in on the NC side of the Smokey mountains and canoe in to Calderwood lake above the Dam. Long weekend type of trip, we plan to camp a night or two.

Calerwood is like one of those Alps high lakes. It has sheer cliffs on both sides so no way down there. (Its the one you see off the Dragon.) What that means is stocked trout with absolutely zero fishing pressure. The people who have done it, say its amazing fishing.

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Posted: 5/9/2011 4:27:57 PM
This may not be exactly what you had in mind, but google "gheenoe". I ran across them when I was looking for a sq stern myself....kind of like a sq stern on steroids......if nothing else I think you'll find this interesting, if you haven't already.


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Posted: 5/9/2011 5:05:05 PM
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I've been over 3k miles with a oldtown 13 foot discovery sport..wore out a 2 hp and a 3.3...got a 4 hp now, but it has set fot 2 years.
milage figured from gallons of oil used and GPS.


Two years ago we picked up a 15' 4" Gheenoe and put a 9.9 merc. converted to a 15 hp..Gps showed 27 mph


the carb and ex-haust manifold are replaced on a 9.9 to make it a 15 hp


the floor flexed upward 2" when hitting a wave..spent 400 at a boat shop, having 4 inside stringers put in it.
behind the center seat


infront of the center seat


I noticed a chip in the gelcoat on the outside bottom..got to looking and from front to back each side there were air pockets in the haul from the mold. (located on a semi 'v' part of the haul)
the repair is the beige strips on the side of the center stringer

I was pissed and harvy at the factory offered me back 2/3 of my money back if I returned it the 1,500 miles to the factory. Edit; it was 1/2- $600.

I turned the boat over and sanded out the flacking gel coat and re-covered.


We are fixing to take it to Caddo lake and do some site seeing soon. We take it to every different lake we can to advertize there poor quality, and the way they stand behind there product.

OP you will be the 19 th person that I was able to persuade otherwise if you were thinking of getting one. (plz IM me if so...I'm keeping count)
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Posted: 5/11/2011 12:08:41 AM
I have a 15' Gheenoe and a 13" knockoff of a Gheenoe (I don't remember the brand). They are better than a canoe for stability, capacity and if you want a motor. They don't paddle as well but are ok. A bit heavier than a canoe but still managable with one person. Mine seem to be of good quality, both are over 20 years old and were beat on for years by us grandkids when they belonged to my grandfather. A small repair or two from rocks and abuse but still going strong, wish I could say the same for the motors.
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Posted: 5/11/2011 12:09:54 AM
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Posted: 7/8/2011 5:48:17 AM
I have one of these:

Odd Duck

Its a fine canoe, and works well for bass fishing up here because I can get it into really tight spots and shallow crapholes nobody else can. I can stand up easily in this thing, and beaching it is a breeze with the flat nose.

I like this boat because it is rigid. I had a Discovery Sport sq stern, and it was all flexy and rubbery feeling. I didnt like it. Oh helluva boat though... indestructable... just funky because it was plastic.
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Posted: 7/8/2011 7:15:59 AM
Rule of thumb for small boats––––––

For the ability to move it around and get it in and out of the water you want the smallest and lightest

For any kind of performance on the water you really need more size and weight.

See the problem here?

You also need to keep in mind that all canoes are not created equal, small differences in shape can work out to huge differences in performance

Years ago I had a 18" Old Town fiberglass that was a bear to drag around at something close to 90lb
Folks were always compareing it to their brand X boats but I would leve them in my wake once we hit the water

A friend and I ran the Connecticut River from Canada to Long Island Sound back in 1973 or so and I wish I had kept that fine boat
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Posted: 7/24/2011 10:20:35 AM

Originally Posted By shotar:
After decades of boating I am thinking of going in a new direction. I no longer need a large family boat and we live on a river. I am considering a square backed canoe as pictured here. http://www.dunhamssports.com/weekly-circular/ to use with my 30lb electric motor and of course, manual propulsion. OPINIONs are requested. Price looks good.

I learned Current river in Southern Mo running a 19ft grumman square stern with a 6hp johnson. Replaced a lot of sheer pins by the time I was 18
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Posted: 9/26/2011 6:16:00 PM
I owned a 17' Coleman Scanoe (RamX) and loved it, but if I were to go that route again, I think I'd shoot for an Old Town 'Discovery Sport'.
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I bought a 15'6" coleman scanoe for my self on christmas. I may buy a 4 stroke suzuki 6 hp out board for it. If not at least a 55 thrust minnkota. I plan to do a lot of fishing this spring summer and fall. Should be fine for me and the missus on the lakes and resivoirs of se virginia.