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Posted: 4/4/2012 2:37:46 PM
[Last Edit: 5/17/2012 3:38:53 PM by TZCHRIS]
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:32:43 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: Live in MA. Just got my new M&P 15 Sport. Drilled out the rollpin on the stock thinking this will now be adjustable....WRONG! The bolt on what looks like an adjuster is bolted right to the gas tube ? I dont get it, why is this considered 'adjustable' if its bolted, I understand why Smith & Wesson bolted it but why pins and bolts? I took the gas tube off and drilled and tapped it in a couple more places, now I can adjust it by moving the bolt. In my eyes if you need to use tools to adjust it its not 'adjustable' by law ? Maybe I am wrong but I'm going with it. I also would like to be able to break it down from the receiver but the 'pivot' pin is peened (I guess this is also by law in my state) Is there any way I can make this to easily replace the upper receiver if I wish? What if I want to swap uppers, try different stuff out. I guess the simple answer is to move accross the boarder. Also is there any muzzle break I can leagally put on this AR ? Thanks Given the nature of some of the questions you're asking I would refrain from any further modifications to your rifle. Try your hometown forum, but for what it's worth you're treading dangerous waters for no appreciable gain. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:36:00 AM
Wow, you sound like my cop buddy. Just want the gun to fit me better. Am I the first guy that likes to tinker with their toys? Maybe I will put some tin foil rolled up back in the hole for the roll pin.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:36:48 AM
Wow, you sound like my cop buddy. Just want the gun to fit me better. Am I the first guy that likes to tinker with their toys? Maybe I will put some tin foil rolled up back in the hole for the roll pin.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:38:31 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: Wow, you sound like my cop buddy. Just want the gun to fit me better. Am I the first guy that likes to tinker with their toys? Maybe I will put some tin foil rolled up back in the hole for the roll pin. Will it matter if the gun fits you or not if you're in prison? From one reasonable guy on the internet to (presumably) another reasonable guy on the internet, please stop what you're doing until you know better. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:39:04 AM
[Last Edit: 4/4/2012 12:42:48 PM by Forest]
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS:
Also is there any muzzle break I can leagally put on this AR ? Thanks Is your barrel threaded? If so that alone is illegal in ban states. muzzle breaks are legal as long as they don't hide the flash (or silence it) but have to be PINNED AND WELDED ON! no threaded barrels on AR's in ban states! [mod] This is incorrect - threads are allowed to install ban compliant muzzle devices (like muzzle brakes) - that is why such devices need to be pin/welded or silver soldered. If the devices is just friction fit and uses a set screw or pin then said pin does not need to be permanently attached via welding. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:40:15 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS:
Wow, you sound like my cop buddy. Just want the gun to fit me better. Am I the first guy that likes to tinker with their toys? Maybe I will put some tin foil rolled up back in the hole for the roll pin. To me your first post doesn't make sense. Some photos might be worthwhile so we can figure out what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:49:30 AM
No threads on barrel, its a compliant Mass AR. I dont know wht Mr. Sweatpants is all bent on me making my AR fit me better, the gunsmith said he would do it for $40. I design turbine engines fo GE so I think I'm capable of a minor stock adjustment? I am still on AR15.com right? Sometimes I get switched over to the knitting channel and they yell at me for talking about guns.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:49:36 AM
[Last Edit: 4/4/2012 10:50:18 AM by Him]
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:18:50 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: No threads on barrel, its a compliant Mass AR. I dont know wht Mr. Sweatpants is all bent on me making my AR fit me better, the gunsmith said he would do it for $40. I design turbine engines fo GE so I think I'm capable of a minor stock adjustment? I am still on AR15.com right? Sometimes I get switched over to the knitting channel and they yell at me for talking about guns. You're a new user, someone is giving you what they think is decent advice, and you're responding with disdain and sarcasm. I would advise you to stop before you get into trouble and change your attitude. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:25:58 AM
tin foil instead of a roll pin? gas tube?
for the $40 just take it to someone who knows enough about the parts of the gun and the law to make it compliant. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:27:15 AM
[Last Edit: 4/4/2012 11:28:15 AM by Krylancelo]
If you're modifying the stock to make it adjustable, you are breaking the law. It is a felony.
If you have a threaded muzzle without a non-flash suppressing device permanently attached, you are breaking the law. It is a felony. If you want to move the stock and then re-pin it so it is not adjustable, that is legal. Have the gunsmith do it right if you aren't experienced. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:31:40 AM
I had the same thing with the first BM I had. Drilled out the roll pins, cut the buffer tube down (since it was about rifle length, with carbine internals), and put it at my desired length and re drilled it and pinned it with 1/8 trigger guard roll pins. As long as it is pinned and not adjustable, you are safe. Also, work on your terminology a bit, it helps to be clear about what you are trying to convey.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:34:21 AM
I think what he is trying to tell you is that what your doing may or may not be illegal in your hometown. And continuing to talk about it/post pictures will certainly get you in trouble if it is in fact illegal to modify.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:36:46 AM
I will slide a roll pin in it as soon as I get home. And I will make sure the tensile and shear strength is equal to or greater than the original. I am sure someone must have already alerted the authorities.
I was just questioning why if I need tools to adjust my stock is it considered adjustable, no need to get all worked up. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:39:07 AM
[Last Edit: 4/4/2012 11:39:27 AM by Krylancelo]
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: I will slide a roll pin in it as soon as I get home. And I will make sure the tensile and shear strength is equal to or greater than the original. I am sure someone must have already alerted the authorities. I was just questioning why if I need tools to adjust my stock is it considered adjustable, no need to get all worked up. It is not considered adjustable. It is only adjustable if you are in a non-ban state. Ban states, like MA, require non-adjustable stocks. In non-ban states, no tools are required. You simply depress the adjustment lever and move the stock. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:42:43 AM
Exactly my point. Why do I need the roll pin and bolt, either one will make this non-adjustable. Just asking
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:45:41 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: I will slide a roll pin in it as soon as I get home. And I will make sure the tensile and shear strength is equal to or greater than the original. I am sure someone must have already alerted the authorities. I was just questioning why if I need tools to adjust my stock is it considered adjustable, no need to get all worked up. Part of the reason is that we have people who have asked about illegal modifications before, and I will quickly have them banned if that's the case. You didn't, but people are VERY vocal if things even look like they're heading in that direction - for keeping intact the good name of AR15.com and also for your benefit. If you do it right and re-pin it properly once you've adjusted it, I'm sure it will be fine. Make sure there's not some law about the gun's overall length that you're encroaching on. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:47:24 AM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: Exactly my point. Why do I need the roll pin and bolt, either one will make this non-adjustable. Just asking There are two issues: 1) What you think is appropriate. 2) What the ATF thinks is appropriate. If #1 doesn't meet or exceed #2, you're in trouble. The ATF is the ultimate authority, and they won't take "but I thought this is good enough" as an excuse if you're not doing it right. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:06:29 PM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS: Exactly my point. Why do I need the roll pin and bolt, either one will make this non-adjustable. Just asking Because the laws of your state say you need to. That is why it is non-adjustable: Your state's laws. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:31:55 PM
The best way to go about making your stock fit you right would be to completely remove your stock assembly and buffer tube (which you were calling your gas tube). The "collapsible" stocks that come on MA compliant guns are not at all adjustable, and are pinned and bolted just to prevent any wiggle or slop. Your best bet would be to buy a new carbine buffer tube (mil spec or commercial) and buy a collapsible stock. Put this stock in the position you like, drill a hole (or 2 if you want to be safe) and insert a roll pin. If you don't pin it, it will be a felony in MA. If you don't want to pin it, that's fine with me, I wouldn't risk the jail time, just don't tell the people on the forum that you're not going to.
In terms of your take down pins, there should be nothing different about them than any other AR, there are no MA laws in this area. Pictures may help us visualize what you have on your rifle. In terms of muzzle brakes, if you have non threaded barrel (which I'm assuming you do), you can take it to a gunsmith, get it threaded, and place any muzzle brake on there that you want to, then get it pinned and welded (permanently). Threaded barrels are illegal in MA as well. You can not attach a flash suppressor (MA illegal), only a muzzle brake. There are many that look just like flash suppressors if it is the look you are going for. Hope this helped |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:57:43 PM
Cool, thanks. I unbolted the tube to remove the spring before drilling and taping the tube, the existing mount (bolt hole) was moved to better fit my shooting style and smaller arms, the position it was originally bolted in was a bit big. If you dont remove the tube and spring first you will get all that crap inside where the spring is. It is a standard allen head bolt, 6-32 I believe, I have special screws I could use that require special tools not redily available? My gunsmith says he does this all the time, and the guys I go to the military shoots with told me to get it adjusted for my size/style before the next shoot. (I am 5' 0" and my arms are not as long as most guys, so what works for most doesnt for me) Thanks for all the help.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:19:55 PM
As long as it is bolted and requires tools, then you are good to go. It doesn't have to be permanent. One of my AR's was a ban compliant gun. The stock could not be adjusted, but was only bolted. If you were to remove the bolt it would slide on the buffer tube. Set it to the correct length for you (minding the minimum rifle length) and re-bolt. You should be just fine.
Flash hider is illegal. Muzzle brake is not, however it must be "permanently" installed. Pinned/welded or silver soldered. If your gun isn't threaded contact Adco. They can thread and permanently install a brake for you. These guys are right, though. Hit your hometown forum in the future. They should be able to clarify in a hurry. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:28:45 PM
Originally Posted By TZCHRIS:
No threads on barrel, its a compliant Mass AR. I dont know wht Mr. Sweatpants is all bent on me making my AR fit me better, the gunsmith said he would do it for $40. I design turbine engines fo GE so I think I'm capable of a minor stock adjustment? I am still on AR15.com right? Sometimes I get switched over to the knitting channel and they yell at me for talking about guns. So if your capable then whats the question... i would be careful with what your doing i am guessing you need a shorter stock? |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:57:51 PM
I guess your right, a shorter stock would do it. Its just so crazy here trying to figure out the law and the intent of the law. No one really knows for sure when I ask. I would think a shorter stock would be risky with the laws here. Not really sure why we cant have adjustable stock but I would guess because you could make it shorter and easier to hide? Thats why I'm here asking, maybe someone has done this or been thru this before.
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