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Posted: 6/26/2012 7:36:06 PM
My buddy Dustin took a picture of one standing on his back porch in Harford PA, which isn't that far from Binghamton, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see them in the southern tier.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 7:49:16 PM
Originally Posted By EJThor:
My buddy Dustin took a picture of one standing on his back porch in Harford PA, which isn't that far from Binghamton, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see them in the southern tier.


I live in Binghamton. If I see a fucking mountain lion here in town, I'm gonna shit my pants and probably shit the pants of anyone near me.

Then again, I've seen some weird things happen right in the middle of downtown where I worked years ago. One time, a deer wandered downtown, jumped through the window of a coffee shop (luckily it was early in the AM before it opened), tore shit up in a confusion-filled storm of WTF, jump back through the window...........then went to the riverwalk and jumped the flood wall to it's death about 30' below.

Another time, I was getting into work at about 5AM. Parked my car and saw what I thought was a big ass stray dog in between some other cars. Went into work and a female co-worker came in a little while later screaming that there was a bear in the parking lot. We look out the window and there is 3 or 4 cop cars trying to coral it. It was pretty small, but it was still seeing a bear in downtown Bing.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:03:44 PM
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was sitting on the overlook's stone wall after dark up in Thatcher park talking with a friend and noticed a black blob leaning on the stone wall about 10 yards away. Damn black bear came down in the dark silently and I didn't notice it until it hopped up and put it's forepaws on the stone wall. That'd be worse than getting caught by the park cops after dark.

I never say never on any wildlife critter in the woods.

As far as cats in NY there are some factors;
- for years there were folks permitted to possess them with a special license for educational or scientific purposes. In the 80-90's more than half were idiots keeping them as pets. Of course some of the bred and some of them were sure to get loose. Monkeys eating their owners face and hands pretty much stopped that. maybe the monkeys were on bath salts or window cleaner.
- there is an illegal trade in live exotic animals in every state in the union, no different than illegal machine guns, silencers, drugs, whatever.
- Canada has them just across the border. Wouldn't be hard for a cat to nonchalantly cross the river when it freezes. I believe there are still a few throughout the appalachian mtns. Migration of young looking for their own territory would be expected.

That said most of the reports are false sightings; bobcats, house cats, fishers (black pumas sightings are pretty much likely to be fishers) The last reported mountain lion pad print someone showed me had horseshoe nails. I shit you not. I'm fairly sceptical, I haven't seen any road killed mountain lions, no persons reporting being attacked (which is all too common in western states). I have seen a deer with large chunk of flesh removed from the top of the of the rump that had just started to heal over before being shot in the deer season and what could possibly be claw marks down the rib cage. Bobcat would not be doing that to an 8 pt. buck.


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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:04:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Etkini:
Back when I lived near Great Meadow Correctional (which was about 8 years ago) we had a cougar that kept coming down the mountain and digging through garbage, killed a neighbor's dog, and terrorized a farm (a couple cows disappeared, she ate well). NYSDEC wouldn't believe or even come look into it as it was on state land (sounded odd to me), so after about two weeks of this someone took action as she was about to kill another cow. She was 162lbs and 7'6" nose to tail, certainly not something I'd want to ever want to come face to face with. It was a beautiful creature though, I'd love to have one for a pet if I ever had a chance. It would make a hell of a good security guard if it didn't eat me first.

On a lighter note, I still have yet to witness Big Foot, he's also a popular sighting in NYS with multiple people claiming to have seen it near Greenwich and Whitehall, which is within minutes of Comstock.

Edit: On a side note, technically, if you happen to see a cougar you're pretty much dead. To my knowledge, they're actually shy, curious creatures and very good stalkers. I've heard accounts of people hiking and being followed for sometimes miles before getting a glimpse of one. It's hard to discern between truth and myth with some of the old-timey stories, but I've heard some from some pretty reputable people whom I respect and trust who wouldn't believe the average "it was this long" story.



A friend of mine has worked at Great Meadow for years and lived at one of the prison owned houses till I helped him move closer to Saratoga. I've hiked all over the area behind Dolph Pond and West Fort Ann and seen a cougar or mountain lion twice in Hogtown. While hunting, I had a large wolf walk past me. About 30 years ago, my uncle, brother and I were out woodchuck hunting in Guilder Hollow, North Granville and saw what we thought was Bigfoot standing by a tree on a hill. After it took off running, we went up to compare the size of the tree to estimate how tall he was. My uncle still talks about it to this day.

Now that I carry a camera in the woods, I finally got pictures of the moose that were making tracks every year in Dresden, above Whitehall.
Years ago, I loaned out my book called "Monsters of the Northwoods" which tells about Bigfoot, mountain lions and other neat stuff in the Vermont, Whitehall area. Wish I still had it, look what it's going for now! Edit...forgot I bought another copy!!! http://www.amazon.com/Monsters-Northwoods-Paul-Bartholomew/dp/0925168009

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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:45:41 PM
It will be a dead kitty if I ever see one while hunting.


I go to and from my stands in the dark, often w no flashlight, especially during archery season. I do not want to tangle w a mountail lion....

Plenty of 400-500lb bear where I hunt. I've yet to take a shot @ one...
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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:44:35 PM
Originally Posted By Twisted10:
It will be a dead kitty if I ever see one while hunting.


I go to and from my stands in the dark, often w no flashlight, especially during archery season. I do not want to tangle w a mountain lion....

Plenty of 400-500lb bear where I hunt. I've yet to take a shot @ one...


First year Archery hunting here I ended up a couple miles from the truck by the time the sun was completely gone.....on the way back I hear these dogs circling around me yelping & crying, getting close but wouldn't come up to me. I'm thinking someone's dogs were lost. (lost dogs in the woods are common in FL where it's legal and common to run deer with dogs)
Here I am calling to them trying to get them to follow me so I could bring them out of the woods & find their owner.




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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:12:35 PM
I spend most of my free time in the woods. I have trail cameras up all year long. I have never, ever seen any sign of mountain lions in NY.
I saw them in Wyoming, they leave a lot of sign in areas they live. There are no lions here. DEC did not "stock them" here. What would be the reason for stocking lions in NY??? They could put a hurt on a deer population, the state wants the revenue for deer licenses.
Come on people.......
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Posted: 6/28/2012 1:39:43 AM
I have personally seen a Mountain Lion about 8 years ago in Stanfordville, NY, Dutchess County, There are also no moose in Southern NY, however one was hit by a car in Pine Plains NY, about 10 minutes north of Stanfordville.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:15:01 AM
bobcats and wolves have been caught on security cameras within the Milton power facility in Galway.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 4:21:24 AM
Originally Posted By remltr:
I have personally seen a Mountain Lion about 8 years ago in Stanfordville, NY, Dutchess County, There are also no moose in Southern NY, however one was hit by a car in Pine Plains NY, about 10 minutes north of Stanfordville.


Plenty of moose in Southern Tier. Guy on a bike ran over one in East Greenbush 3 years ago on 90. If you go to the state museum in Albany and look at the moose map, they show them in Westchester.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 8:24:10 AM
We recently had a black bear tear up the 3d archery targets at my sportsman's club, in West Monroe, just north of Syracuse. This is not uncommon to have bear sightings around here.
As far as cougar sightings, I've heard stories of people seeing them around. Last year at Pop Warner football, another father and I were talking about hunting, and he started telling me about the big cat that he has seen while deer hunting. This was a area near Brewerton/Central Square. The next time I saw him, he brought a stack of photos from his trail cam. The first photo showed some turkeys walking by. Then he had some good photos of what is most definitely a mountain lion.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:42:41 AM
Originally Posted By 41magluva:
We recently had a black bear tear up the 3d archery targets at my sportsman's club, in West Monroe, just north of Syracuse. This is not uncommon to have bear sightings around here.
As far as cougar sightings, I've heard stories of people seeing them around. Last year at Pop Warner football, another father and I were talking about hunting, and he started telling me about the big cat that he has seen while deer hunting. This was a area near Brewerton/Central Square. The next time I saw him, he brought a stack of photos from his trail cam. The first photo showed some turkeys walking by. Then he had some good photos of what is most definitely a mountain lion.


I believe it.

I do a lot of aerial photos around the state for work and you start to fully appreciate how much forest is in this state when you see it from the air. These animals don't want to be seen
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:19:11 AM
Medicine Bow National Forest in SE Wyoming.
Jesus - I hope I NEVER see one again....
That was 15 years ago and still scares the beejeebers out of me.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:20:44 AM
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I spend most of my free time in the woods. I have trail cameras up all year long. I have never, ever seen any sign of mountain lions in NY.
I saw them in Wyoming, they leave a lot of sign in areas they live. There are no lions here. DEC did not "stock them" here. What would be the reason for stocking lions in NY??? They could put a hurt on a deer population, the state wants the revenue for deer licenses.
Come on people.......


There's people right here in this thread who say they have seen them with their own eyes here in NY, though.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:17:06 PM

Originally Posted By cas:
My father claims to have seen one but we thought he was just mistaken… until a neighbor got one on his trail cam. (he contacted the DEC who came and looked and kept copies)

DEC says they're released pets. Yeah… apparently NY has the highest pet mountain lion population in the world.

My parents neighbor up in Saranac/Black Brook area caught 2 on his game cams. DEC said the same thing. Since they seem to be so common for pets maybe I should look into getting one, would be a better theft deterent then a dog I would imagine.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:43:44 PM
one in poughkeepsie 20 years ago or so.

Originally Posted By remltr:
I have personally seen a Mountain Lion about 8 years ago in Stanfordville, NY, Dutchess County, There are also no moose in Southern NY, however one was hit by a car in Pine Plains NY, about 10 minutes north of Stanfordville.


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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:53:50 PM
You never saw one means you never saw one and that's all that means. You may as well have just called me and the others with personal experiences liars. Ignorant!

Originally Posted By JPP:
I spend most of my free time in the woods. I have trail cameras up all year long. I have never, ever seen any sign of mountain lions in NY.
I saw them in Wyoming, they leave a lot of sign in areas they live. There are no lions here. DEC did not "stock them" here. What would be the reason for stocking lions in NY??? They could put a hurt on a deer population, the state wants the revenue for deer licenses.
Come on people.......


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Posted: 6/29/2012 6:45:48 AM
10 years ago, I was living in Dutchess county and took the Taconic every day to and from the city. I was driving north, just past (Yorktown-ish?) and swerved around what appeared to be a lion-rug, laying between the lanes. The head was bigger than my rottie's. Stopped to confirm, yup...lion. Except for the blood and mush, it looked like a taxidermy rug.

I figured some kook raised it till it got too big and let it loose.

Before going on the irish-welfare, I worked for a reptile importer. As a result, I met folks who kept all kinds of crazy (and illegal, very dangerous,) animals.
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Wasnt there a guy that kept a tiger and an alligator, both huge, in the NYC projects 10 years ago. He could not even enter apt. Just threw in food.
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Posted: 6/29/2012 9:24:34 AM

Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
was sitting on the overlook's stone wall after dark up in Thatcher park talking with a friend and noticed a black blob leaning on the stone wall about 10 yards away. Damn black bear came down in the dark silently and I didn't notice it until it hopped up and put it's forepaws on the stone wall. That'd be worse than getting caught by the park cops after dark.

I never say never on any wildlife critter in the woods.

As far as cats in NY there are some factors;
- for years there were folks permitted to possess them with a special license for educational or scientific purposes. In the 80-90's more than half were idiots keeping them as pets. Of course some of the bred and some of them were sure to get loose. Monkeys eating their owners face and hands pretty much stopped that. maybe the monkeys were on bath salts or window cleaner.
- there is an illegal trade in live exotic animals in every state in the union, no different than illegal machine guns, silencers, drugs, whatever.
- Canada has them just across the border. Wouldn't be hard for a cat to nonchalantly cross the river when it freezes. I believe there are still a few throughout the appalachian mtns. Migration of young looking for their own territory would be expected.

That said most of the reports are false sightings; bobcats, house cats, fishers (black pumas sightings are pretty much likely to be fishers) The last reported mountain lion pad print someone showed me had horseshoe nails. I shit you not. I'm fairly sceptical, I haven't seen any road killed mountain lions, no persons reporting being attacked (which is all too common in western states). I have seen a deer with large chunk of flesh removed from the top of the of the rump that had just started to heal over before being shot in the deer season and what could possibly be claw marks down the rib cage. Bobcat would not be doing that to an 8 pt. buck.


I'm not from Missouri but I still say show me.

There was one in Lake George. Someone came and collected hair from where it bedded down and they ran a DNA test on it. Mountain Lion. The same one was latter hit by a car and killed in CT. That was less than two years ago.
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There are mountain lions in the adirondacks. Period. They are here.

DEC will vigourously deny existence of ML in NY. If they acknowledge a fledgling population here, then they have a "florida panther" type problem. It easiest to simply claim that all ML sightings are either mistaken (bullshit - what other feline has a three foot tail? its impossible to mistake for a bobcat), or that its someone's pet (yah right).

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Originally Posted By JPP:
I spend most of my free time in the woods. I have trail cameras up all year long. I have never, ever seen any sign of mountain lions in NY.
I saw them in Wyoming, they leave a lot of sign in areas they live. There are no lions here. DEC did not "stock them" here. What would be the reason for stocking lions in NY??? They could put a hurt on a deer population, the state wants the revenue for deer licenses.
Come on people.......


Why would they need to be "stocked"? Whats with this obsessionwith the notion that they were stocked? The damn things range about their own, same as any big cats.
http://www.ct.gov/deep/lib/deep/press_releases/2011/2011-07-26_mtnlionpresentation.pdf I suppose that one took a plane...

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Originally Posted By frozenny:
There are mountain lions in the adirondacks. Period. They are here.

DEC will vigourously deny existence of ML in NY. If they acknowledge a fledgling population here, then they have a "florida panther" type problem. It easiest to simply claim that all ML sightings are either mistaken (bullshit - what other feline has a three foot tail? its impossible to mistake for a bobcat), or that its someone's pet (yah right).



I wouldn't say they don't exist here because I lack all seeing powers but I am very sure that there numerous misidentifications, bobcats for mtn lions, mtn lions with long tails that happen to leave tracks the size of housecats or fisher. No one said ALL but you froz. Just like fish in St. Lawrence River, I know what's commonly living there but I damned well wouldn't deign to exclude the chance of seeing something that's not supposed to be there. That's just stupid.

As far as captive cats I can personally attest to some that were kept in Morristown and some that were in Colton, both under license at the time. Both of those persons got rid of them. I'm not sure you're saying that there were no captive cats or not but it looks like you were stating that. And yes, more than one person reported mtn lion sigting that were nothing more than housecats. Fisher are the other top contender for goofy sightings. It happens, just like poeple shooting fellow hunters they thought were a deer. Many people are not realiable witnesses.

there's no conspiracy, just reactionary people that say there is. some folks just thrive on spreading that kind of bullshit.

Like I said, I'm not from Missouri but I need to show me proof, more than internet photos (with colorado plates on the vehicle in the background), more than my brother's cousin's first wife saw one.

I will freely say that there are a couple things that make me believe there are few; one was the 8pt buck with a hunk of skin/flesh missing from the top of his rump, he also had some scratches down the flanks. Kind of consistent with how the big cats in Africa are often filmed taking game they run down when they don't get a good shot at the neck. I've also heard of a couple deer carcasses stashed in tree branches. That's big cat behavior.
That's not quite proof but it does make think.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 10:48:13 PM
Rode up on horseback on a mountain lion in Cattskill in 1996. It was near the bottom of the Cattskill Mountain House trail that takes you all the way up to North/South Lake in Tannersville. Came up quick on the Lion and it was in a flat out run. Very fast and definitely had a long tail. The eeriest part was that as fast as it was running you could hear nothing. That is what stood out the most and left me to believe that they probably see us more than we see them.
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