Hi All,

I'm a relative newcomer the this board and the AK hobby as well. Purchased my first AK maybe eight months ago. After lots of reading through this forum and experimenting with scope mounts I purchased at my local gun show I didn't find anything that really worked well for me. That made me decide to develop my own scope rail to fit my AK and personal tastes. I've had a couple of prototypes at the range and my design is finally getting to be something that I like. The design is something of a Dog Leg shaped rail to get it low enough to co-witness with the standard iron sites and a cheapy little BSA red dot I have.

It occurred to me that if two heads are better than one then two thousand must be better than two. Included are some pics and a link to a Flickr page I created yesterday to show what I'm working on. Constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. I'm certain there are pitfalls that I've overlooked. Thanks in advance for the opinions.

Flickr Link

Disregard, I figured it out. Thanks

Hi Rube79,

Can you clarify where you think a groove should be? It sounds to me as if you would like to see it at the front end of the rail on top where the original leaf sight was located. Do I understand you correctly?

My thought was to attach an AR15 type of rear peep sight that is adjustable for elevation and windage. I see those at the gun shows all the time for about fifty bucks.

Hey Liquidmetal,

Thanks for the link. I had actually looked at that product and it didn't quite work for me. My thought to overcome the variability problem was to make the connection of the rear tang block to the rail itself be slotted to accommodate small variation in weapon length. My main objective was to get the rail as low as possible and keep the thing simple and light. As simple as the Dog Leg design is it actually took some head scratching to get there. The first couple of prototypes I made were straight rails like the DPH or Krebs. Now that I have the front mostly figured out I'm working on the quick release for the rear. I should have an updated prototype by the middle of the week. I'll then be working with a local gun dealer that carries several brands of AK's to make sure it fits weapons from various countries.

Looks interesting. As others have stated, including some sort of iron sight would be great.

Originally Posted By rube79: I'll take one if the price is reasonable!!!! Seriously Peep sight on the rear and/or a groove where the rear sight was to replace irons. Hell, it would be ez to do either

+1

How does it attach to the rear/stock?

Is there an AR type BUIS that would work with something like this?

here's a thought. is there any way to integrate your rail, and the side rail? ie: have it attach via low profile side rail and into the rear sight spot like you currently have it?

That's a pretty cool idea. It might make it a little more complex or heavier but, it would accomodate the folding stocks a little easier as long as you have the side rail on your weapon. I like it. Maybe once I finish up this one I can sketch that out and see if I can make it work cleanly.

Originally Posted By Rafaga: TX-Zen I haven't looked closely at the folders yet to see how they function and what I have to work with. This just started out as me tinkering with my AK and before I knew it I was several prototypes down the road. When I get this one finished I'll certainly look into the folders. One simple solution for attaching any common small red dot would be to make a short little rail to replace the standard leaf. Maybe about 3 inches long or so. It would not be low enough to allow co-witnessing but so what. It would be universal and it would be cheap and easy. I bet I could make something like that for about twenty five bucks. Would that work for you?

if you can make it stable where it won't flop around, hell yes i'd be interested. but it would have to be long enough to except both an eotech and/or an aimpoint.

You could attach the small rail to the gas block with a screw by threading the small hole found under the rear sight. The K-Var bullpup conversion uses this hole to secure the rear sight. You probably could put the screw through the hole and into the threaded part of your mount, but it would have to be lock-tighted to keep it from backing out and ending up jamming the carrier. The screw + the spring would make things stable I think. This would be a neat option for anyone wanting to add an Aimpoint or Eo-Tech. If you could add a simple v or u shaped back up sight to the mount it would be complete.

Originally Posted By acr1: You could attach the small rail to the gas block with a screw by threading the small hole found under the rear sight. The K-Var bullpup conversion uses this hole to secure the rear sight. You probably could put the screw through the hole and into the threaded part of your mount, but it would have to be lock-tighted to keep it from backing out and ending up jamming the carrier. The screw + the spring would make things stable I think. This would be a neat option for anyone wanting to add an Aimpoint or Eo-Tech. If you could add a simple v or u shaped back up sight to the mount it would be complete.

I looked at my rifle and didn't find any little hole in the block under the leaf sight. There is a dimple in the spring that holds it into the block but, no hole. I just finished making up a little prototype of the leaf rail and will have a picture up in about twenty minutes.

The hole I was talking about is under the spring for the rear sight. I was at work and wasn't thinking correctly. I was thinking you could just make your original dog leg mount, but only make it go back from the sight block far enough for an Aimpoint/EoTech to mount. You could cut a V or U into the front portion of the mount to serve as a sight.

on the smaller one...

drop it down like you did on the dog leg. how secure is it in your current model?

on your dog leg:
this is an idea for us running ar style stocks. as it's designed now, it secures into the rear tang. is there a way to to make a style where it secures around a buffer tube? attached to the dog leg rail would be a half circle, with screw holes, and then on the bottom half there would be a "u" that would have threads that they screws from the top part would secure into.

I know that this picture is for a lower hand guard, but i think you'd get the point of the design: